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14 Dec 2017 06:32:41
Bulls: Monroe

PHX: Mirotic

Bulls are below cap floor, this would put them right there. Good deal for PHX I would think. Helps Bulls too. Monroe is better in the post than Lopez too. Meets Bulls rumored criteria of short term contracts.

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14 Dec 2017 05:41:53
Bulls: Shroder, 2019 2nd

ATL: Mirotic, Felder

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14 Dec 2017 04:34:05
ATL: Lillard, Vonleh

Port: Bazemore, Shroder, 1st. Hawks choice when to convey. (within 2 years though) unprotected.

Portland needs SF/GF help, Vonleh makes salaries work, has expiring contract as a bonus, Port. Gets a solid starting PG.

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14 Dec 2017 05:52:01
If that’s Atlanta’s unprotected 2018 first, and another first thrown in, Portland might consider. Even then I can’t imagine they do it. Schroeder is an average starting PG at best. Bazemore isn’t any better than what Portland already has in Aminu. This is a massive step backwards for Portland. They basically hope that the player they get with the pick is almost as good as Lillard already is.

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14 Dec 2017 06:11:38
After I posted I realized it should be another 1st. Bazemore is SF/ GF. Aminu is PF, or 3,4, but plays an athletic 4 for Blazers usually. Your absolutely right about another pick. I went too fast. Excited I found a good trade.

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13 Dec 2017 21:45:36
DAL: Lopez

Bulls: Mathews, 2nd. Whatever 2nd Dallas wants to give.

Bulls can absorb salary difference, and relieve themselves of Lopez, while getting a pick. Mathews has 1 more season on the books. Maybe would be good for mentoring, he used to be pretty tenacious. Played with a lot of heart. DAL could use the cash savings, and Lopez is a talented passer, works hard. Wouldn't mind Carlisle probably. Everything is a joke to him.

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13 Dec 2017 20:51:57
Bulls: Curry, Mcroberts, 2018 2nd via SAC from Blazers

DAL: Mirotic

How desperate are the Bulls?

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13 Dec 2017 22:33:39
i don't dislike this trade.
The bulls getting a second. Curry can start untill young players are ready.

And Mirotic- Smith is a good combo to built arround.

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13 Dec 2017 18:00:40
Knicks: Schroeder, Babbit

Hawks: Noah, 2018 1st, 2019 2nd

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13 Dec 2017 18:19:22
A first and a 2nd aren't enough to convince the Hawks to trade trade Schroeder or take on Noah let alone do both in one trade.

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13 Dec 2017 20:08:15
Shot in the dark. Shroder was benched in a game the other night in the final eight minutes similar to Gasol. The thuggish street fight altercation, that we don't have all the information on. Those 2 incidents are my reasoning. I stand behind it.

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13 Dec 2017 21:04:04
You know how long that was ago? Schröder won't be dealt for mid- or late-round first and a second. You also need two firsts or even more to get rid of Noah alone.

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13 Dec 2017 21:25:49
@ps3077 Yes, I do know how long ago it was. Just this last year, still hasn't been settled in court either. The altercation thingy, along with the benching the other night. Knicks could be lottery, it's still early. Noah's contract is bad. If shroder is divisive, and benching is where you are at with him, what are your options? Hence previous post "shot in the dark"

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13 Dec 2017 23:24:30
As a knicks fan, i would love to have schroder.

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13 Dec 2017 23:26:53
He was benched one game recently where he played bad. Other coaches bench their players as well when they play bad. How often do you watch him? Can't see any true valuation. You give him a negative value in this trade, assuming getting rid of Noah costs 2 1st rounders (what teams will have to pay) . I mean your spelling of his name isn't close to correct (Schröder would be correct) . For all other Hawks fans I talk to he is also the best player of the team. He's still young and a lot of room to develop. Because of one mistake in his free time you don't trade a player.

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14 Dec 2017 02:35:19
Reports say shroder shoved a guy outside a hookah bar, altercation ensued, security cameras show shroder hitting, and kicking the other guy. Won't release video because of court stuff. Not good. Maybe not a big deal if other guy was instigating, and shroder can settle, or not need to settle. It was reported sept. 30th. What I read.

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14 Dec 2017 04:14:44
ps3077, you really can't hold the "o" thing against me I scoured the keyboard menu options, and there is no option for the special "o". I swear. I'm not petty, and this isn't personal for me.

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14 Dec 2017 06:33:44
@ ps3077, people propose all sorts of trades others disagree with on here. I firmly disagree with jumping to any conclusions about what happened with shroder and that altercation, I wasn't there. I said that already, along with the trade proposal is a shot in the dark. I am typing on a phone, and not searching for the special "o" you require out of speed, not a slight on shroder, who he is, or where he comes from.

If he did do the things reported, and video evidence is accurate, along with eye witness account? That is not okay in any way. Society says so, and there are laws. People do make mistakes, and earn forgiveness. Owners do care about these things. I have done nothing, or said anything other media hasn't already stated. Given it a rest. This is a trade site. NOAH is probably not tradable with his contract. SHOT IN THE DARK.

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13 Dec 2017 17:30:12
Cavs get mirotic
Bulls get shumpert zizic Miami 2nd

Sign Williams

Thomas rose Calderon
Smith wade osman
James korver green
Crowder mirotic Williams
Love thompson Frye

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13 Dec 2017 17:51:26
Not what the bulls had in mind I don't think. Who is Williams? LAC sweet Lou?

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13 Dec 2017 18:02:37
Can't see the Bulls having any use for Shumpert or Zizic.

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13 Dec 2017 18:29:30
Supercollider 6 months ago, "Zizic is the answer to all of the Celtics' rebounding problems. " Now, he isn't a good enough prospect to be a part of a package to get a mediocre player that doesn't/ team doesn't want to be on a rebuilding? Any way Cavs pass. Shumpert's defense and the small assets the Cavs lose aren't worth giving up for Mirotic. He's a mediocre shooter, plays little d, and after the Portis issue it came out that most of his teammates hate him. Unless a player is a good defender or great offensive player the Cavs don't really need him at the expense of any of their younger players or picks.

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13 Dec 2017 20:18:20
rkenne16, Zizic may be, and I believe will be something, someday in the NBA. If he was ready he would have received some of Thompsons minutes instead of stints in the G League. I would guess that means he is not rebounding, or defending at an NBA level. Cavs, from the bouncing back and forth from the bush league, to the pro's are pushing his readiness as fast as they can. Good players don't typically do that. It's a gamble on his talent is how I would read the actions of the Cavs.

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13 Dec 2017 22:21:44
Jorgawood, I think his lack of playing time and g league stints are more a product of the Cavs depth, coaching preferences and play style. The Cavs want bigs that run the floor and shoot the 3. Plus, they haven't been playing many minutes with 2 bigs on the floor and Lue's been reluctant to play his younger players in the past.

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14 Dec 2017 00:07:34
If Thompson was healthy he wouldn't play? Your die hard Cavs spirit really shines!

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14 Dec 2017 07:06:55
rkenne_16, I admire your loyalty, Thompson can run the floor, but hasn't attempted a 3 in 7 seasons with Cavs.

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13 Dec 2017 15:29:09

DEN get: Mike Conley and Chandler Parsons

pg. Conley/ Murray
sg. Harris/ Beasly
sf. Parsons/ Jefferson
pf. Milsap/ Lyles
c. Jokic/ Plumlee

MEM get: Tristan Thompson, Kenneth Faried, Austin Rivers, Darrell Arthur, Channing Frye (exp), Will Barton (exp), Derrick Rose (exp), 2018 1st DEN, 2018 1st BKN (via CLE), and 2018 CLE 1st DP

pg. Rose/ Rivers
sg. Harrison/ Evans
sf. Barton/ McLemore
pf. Faried/ Green
c. Thompson/ Frye

LAC get: Marc Gasol, Wilson Chandler, Iman Shumpert, Emanuel Mudiay, and Jauncho Hernangomez

pg. Teodosic/ Mudiay
sg. Shumpert/ Johnson
sf. Gallinari/ Dekker
pf. Griffin/ Chandler
c. Gasol/ Hernangomez

CLE get: Deandre Jordan and Lou Williams

pg. Thomas/ Wade
sg. Smith/ Williams
sf. James/ Korver
pf. Love/ Crowder/ Green
c. Jordan/ Zizic

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13 Dec 2017 16:20:19
Big no from Cavs. Jordan and Williams for Thompson shumpert rose Frye and 2 firsts. They can’t trade two firsts in same year anyways.

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13 Dec 2017 16:32:19
The Cavs would be better off going after Gasol if they're going to include the Brooklyn pick and maybe try to get them to include Jamychel Green, but with the uncertainty around Cousins and George, I'm not sure the Cavs should make any big trade right now.
I also think that the Grizzlies aren't getting enough here and that the Clippers are getting way to much. If Jordan had that kind of value, he would be gone and I think it would take a big offer to convince Memphis to change course.

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13 Dec 2017 16:44:22
My head is still spinning. A 4 team trade? I have never heard of that before.

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13 Dec 2017 17:48:50
Why wouldn’t Cleveland just cut this down to them and Memphis? Those players and and picks for Conley and gasol. I don’t think Memphis would do it, but it makes a lot more sense and is much less cluttered.

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13 Dec 2017 12:12:51
Bulls: Mirotic, Lopez

Griz: Parsons 1st round pick

Not good, not good, not good.

Parsons contract not a short enough deal, and the pick if trade occurred would most likely not be lottery. Best I could do

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13 Dec 2017 13:01:41
Finding a 3rd team to send Lopez to might help.

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13 Dec 2017 16:52:04
rkenne_16, why would Lopez need to go to another team? Salaries still have to match as well. Unless someone is way under cap. Even then, Mirotic ending up a grizzly Isn't fair to team taking on Lopez. I don't think Bulls would do it. A non shot at a lottery pick for dealing both of these guys is the lopside in my eyes, as well, and Parsons 2 more years after this one at 24 mil.

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13 Dec 2017 17:10:49
A first alone probably isn't enough to get rid of Parsons. His contract is huge, but I also don't think back up center is a huge need for Memphis. A third team (maybe the Bucks? ) might be willing to give up some small assets for him to the Bulls plus a rotation player to Memphis. Throw in some other small assets from the Grizzlies and it would make more sense for the Bulls.

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13 Dec 2017 17:23:01
Who is the back up center in Memphis?

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13 Dec 2017 22:35:42
They have a few rotation guys that can play the 5, but with Gasol playing 30 plus minutes a night and roster that doesn't have a ton of talent on the wing and their starting point guard out, having a starting caliber center on their bench doesn't help the team very much and I don't think Lopez and Gasol playing together is much of an option in today's game.
Plus, my point was that getting a third team that would actually value Lopez enough to give up some young assets would help this trade actually become palatable for the Bulls.

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14 Dec 2017 00:23:14
Lopez, Asik value about the same. 5 mil is what I would like to pay for a back-up, Back-up. Expiring contracts would land Lopez. No picks. I am just not sure which expiring deals teams plan on letting expire, and move on. If I did then that third team is doable. Atlanta has a vacancy at center, Zeller is hurt in Charlotte. Maybe something there, I don't see it though. I wouldn't want both guys either if I have to give up a 1st. Shedding Parsons contract is not easy though.

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13 Dec 2017 08:53:28
Philly: D Lillard

NY: McCollum

Portland: noah+ Bayless+ A Johnson+Fultz+ Ntilikina+ 1rnd pick LA (or Sac pick 2019)+ 1rnd pick NY 2018+ 1rnd pick NY 2020

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13 Dec 2017 09:31:23
Portland would have to waive, or trade 2 players immediately with this deal. NY needs a point guard, or SF/ PF, and whether you switch Lillard, or Mccollum your not getting an elite ball hawk/ distributor. Great shooters. Philly loves this deal. Noah has a nearly untradable contract. It's just the truth. Amir, and Noah together gives Portland 6, PF/ C. Not counting E. davis, Aminu. Good effort, I struggled to find future assets, and short term contracts for Mirotic, and Lopez of Chicago. I didn't find any. Chandler Parsons was my only sort of realistic option. I am very interested in what the pros of trading actually pull off this season. Probably small insignificant trades. The T. V. Money rumors before T. V. Money was had, and salary cap rumors ended up being over estimated devasted the league with Mozgovs, Dengs, Asiks, Parsons, Turners, Noahs type deals that are crippling. Something is going to give, and it's probably teams stretching guys out for years to come. Talent pool got huge all of the sudden, and young guys are ready like never before. I am aware of some non-public media information about players thoughts, and opinions, but what upper management is willing to give away for a loss is tougher than ever this year.

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