09 Oct 2015 14:17:39
DEN - TOR - MIL
DEN get: Demar Derozan
TOR get: Kenneth Faried, OJ Mayo (exp), & Future DEN 1st DP (Unprotected)
MIL get: Patrick Patterson & Gary Harris
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09 Oct 2015 14:17:39
09 Oct 2015 09:55:54
Pacers get Kenneth Faried
Nuggets get CJ Miles, Ian Mahinmi future 1st round pick
pg George Hill/Joseph Young
sg Monta Ellis/Rodney Stuckey
sf Paul George/Chase Budinger
pf Kenneth Faried/Myles Turner
ce Jordan Hill/Lavoy Allen
09 Oct 2015 09:52:41
Nuggets get Shabbaz Muhammad, & Ian Mahinmi
Wolves get IND 1st round pick (lottery protected) & CJ Miles
Pacers get Kenneth Faried & Nuggets 2nd
09 Oct 2015 14:14:53
While I don't believe it myself, I can understand why some people believe Shabazz is a trade target. Personally, I think it will be Kevin Martin who is not part of the future. But I don't think Shabazz is a good fit win the Pacers.
IND is all about Paul George, who has said he is not comfortable playing small ball PF. Yes, Shabazz excelled at that last year for MIN, and was statistically our best PF (though that's not saying much). However, very clearly he is a SF, and going to IND would put him behind Paul George now instead of Wiggins. At least Wiggins can play the 2.
I don't like the return either. A healthy Paul George makes that pick of limited value, and if he starts to stumble, that pick is lottery protected. CJ Miles is a solid, if unspectacular, NBA player, but he would simply fall back into the potential logjam that Shabazz is in, so he doesn't have a lot of value as a bench player (which is probably where he should be in the NBA).
I think the trade that makes everyone happy here is with CHI, not DEN. The Bulls get Kevin Martin (who becomes a starter), The Pacers get Taj Gibson (who becomes a starter) who allows PG to play SF, and MIN gets the lottery protected 1st and expirings. IND gets to keep CJ Miles too.
09 Oct 2015 14:34:57
Shrink shabazz is going to the nuggets not pacers
09 Oct 2015 16:05:34
Oops - sorry, I should read more and talk less!
I agree - I could see Faried in IND, maybe leave MIN out at this price.
09 Oct 2015 09:35:55
IND get Derrick Rose & Taj Gibson
CHI get CJ Miles, George Hill & Myles Turner
09 Oct 2015 14:19:35
I like the general idea here. Taj is a nice fit in IND and let's Paul George avoid the PF role which he doesn't like. Would Bird gamble on Rose? Maybe he would. I think Turner should be spun to a third team for a more "win now" asset for the Bulls. I'm not thrilled with the prospect of CJ Miles being a starter on either East Coast contender -- maybe look for a startable swingman?
09 Oct 2015 07:11:38
Thunder get Shabazz Mohammed
Wolves get Mitch McGary and rights to Alex Abrines (Rubios friend)
09 Oct 2015 14:25:29
I don't think that's nearly enough for Shabazz. McGary was drafted 21st by OKC, and he didn't show much in the NBA last year. I admire that he lost 30 pounds for this season, but one good game in an NBA pre-season is not going to cut it.
09 Oct 2015 06:08:49
CHI get Ricky Rubio & Kevin Martin
MIN get Derrick Rose & 2nd round pick
yeah Drose is somehow becoming a liability but I would love to see him play along side young players Wiggins & Towns, he could bring more excitement. On the other hand Bulls bring in a new backcourt duo. Martin brings scoring while Rubio could very well play with Pau and Mirotic
09 Oct 2015 12:30:42
And Minnesota does this why?
09 Oct 2015 14:32:47
I think this is probably too risky for both teams.
I understand Rubio could look very good magnifying the skills of better players with beautiful assists, but he is also very useful to MIN's youth for the same skill, speeding their development by putting them in positions to succeed.
Every year there is talk nationally about Rubio getting traded, usually to the Knicks (though it makes little sense for their triangle), and every year he stays in MIN. He brought his family to MIN, and his sister is a decent high school basketball player in a Minneapolis suburb school. He always laughs off rumors, took the money here, and says he loves it. True, many people say that, but the bulk of the evidence to me makes me think there is very little chance Rubio gets traded anywhere.
I will say though that when Derrick Rose's name is thrown out there, it at least starts a conversation! I hope he gets it back.
09 Oct 2015 04:25:32
Thunder get Marcus and Markeef Morris
Pistons get PJ Tucker and rights to Alex Abrines
Suns get Steven Adams and Anthony Morrow
Pf. S. Ibaka/ M. Morris/ S. Novak
Sf. K. Durant/ M. Morris/ J. Huestis
C. E. Kanter/ M. McGary/ N. Collision
SG. K. Singler/ D. Waiters/ A. Roberson
Pg. R. Westbrook/ C. Payne/ D. Augustine
09 Oct 2015 01:43:53
I'm not sure how much the bucks plan to use miles plumlee this year but if they don't plan on using him to much like last year then
Lakers trade 2016 second
Bucks trade plumlee
08 Oct 2015 16:59:51
Rights of Saric for Shabazz Muhammad
08 Oct 2015 19:16:59
08 Oct 2015 22:26:54
Sixers are not in the position to trade talent for talent. They have to trade cap space for talent or the OKC/Miami pick for talent.
If they can get Shabazz for the right price they will. Otherwise they'll fill that position in next year's draft.
The Wolves are now in a position where they have talented guys that can't get on the court. They are not in a position of strength in this type of trade so don't expect what you might consider equal value.
08 Oct 2015 23:59:36
How is Minnesota not in a position of strength. If Philly wants Muhammad, Minnesota had the strength as they have the asset and don't have to trade him. Didn't anyone learn anything from the Love trade. You don't have to accept a lesser deal when you hold all the cards, as Minnesota would if Philly wants Muhammad.
09 Oct 2015 03:49:44
I agree with phillyrich. Sixers should only trade picks( Miami/okc) with a combination of cap space and aubergine role players to acquire talent. Shabazz is 22 years old and was the 14the pick in the draft 3 years ago. Saric is 21 and was the 12th pick in the draft 2 years ago. Pretty even as far as anticipated production. I am a huge shabazz fan, but also like Saric a lot. Tough call here, but Sixers pass. I think Pekovic will have to be factored in somehow in order to acquire shabazz. Still can be done.
09 Oct 2015 14:40:35
I think the value is fair, but both teams probably like their own guy more.
As for Shabazz' being picked 14th, remember that his pick was pushed down after a lackluster season at UCLA and issues with his very strange father. The year before, coming out of high school, he was the favorite to be the First pick in that draft! Shabazz rookie season was unremarkable, but last year he loved he can compete, and excel, against NBA talent. This is a big deal, because we often have picks, especially euros, flame out when they face NBA competition.
Saric gets credit for being a year younger, and so locked into rookie scale for an additional year. And if Shabazz' sophomore year was similar to his first NBA season, I'd say Saric > Shabazz. However, proving it in the NBA last year has to move him up over the 14th pick - especially since he was already a value pick at 14 to begin with.
09 Oct 2015 15:09:14
The Wolves can have their extra player and leave Shabazz on the bench. Not trading Saric for him.
If the Wolves want to clear up the logjam, then the Sixers will talk to them. Would I like Shabazz? Yes. But the price has to be right. And I'd be willing to take Pec since he might be a salary cap issue and Towns looks pretty darn good.
At this moment, the Wolves have an asset on the bench that's probably not going to get much time. When they're ready to convert that asset into a player or pick that better fits, we can talk.
09 Oct 2015 15:24:31
Yeah, I don't really understand why people keep saying the wolves have this massive log jam and shabazz will get no time. They will have a rotation. People will get their playing time. Players come off the bench and make huge impacts, otherwise there wouldn't be a 6th man of the year award.
Additionally, I have no clue why so much is being made about Saric. He has yet to play a minute in the NBA. His greatest success was when he was under 19. much like shabazz. However, shabazz has shown great efficiency in the actual nba. This past year, all saric did was average 9pts and 6 boards. He turns it over a LOT and for a big boy, shooting 43% is nothing to write home about. I have to admit, I have not watched him play a full game. but then again, almost all if not all of the people here havent. I am not talking about highlights, I mean an entire game.
Is it possible Saric comes to the NBA in the next year or two and ends up as a good role player or decent starter. it's possible, but there's no guarantee and nothing is showing he will be a star in the nba. Shabazz, the wolves know what they could potentially have. They have seen the real game play. And they can see the potential. Likely not a STAR, but reasonably a good to very good player that just needs to stay healthy. No need for the Wolves to make this move. Especially with their real log jam, which includes Dieng, Towns, Pek, Payne and others at the bigs, it would be absurd to get rid of a high potential player to get an unproven player to play behind 3-5 players with NBA experience.
08 Oct 2015 16:43:09
4 teams trade
Cavs get the Morris twins for thompson and 2nd rd pick
DeRozan to Suns for markief and cavs 1st rd pick plus 2nd pick pistons
Pistons trade marcus and a filler (Granger, Blake or Bullock) for Patterson and 2nd rd pick of Det via Phx
Thompson signs cheaper contract 14million per year bcoz its his hometown toronto and receives also filler player from detroit and Cavs' 1st and 2nd rd pick
08 Oct 2015 19:51:21
Thompson will not sign anywhere for cheap. He is holding out for a max deal. He doesn't care about playing for his home town or not. He will not sign for a cheaper contract. Period.
09 Oct 2015 14:55:08
whyw old Detroit do this Morris has out perfomred Patterson. NOt thanks
08 Oct 2015 14:38:37
MIN - BKN - NOLA
MIN get: Tyreke Evans, Ryan Anderson, Future Bkn 1st DP, & Future NOLA 1st DP
BKN get: Eric Gordon (exp) & Ricky Rubio
NOLA get: Joe Johnson (exp), Kevin Martin, & Gorgui Dieng
08 Oct 2015 15:20:40
Hell no from Minnesota.
08 Oct 2015 18:30:05
No from Minnesota because Rubio is a better PG than Evans, and it's not even close. Anderson means nothing to Minnesota and Martin is more valuable to us. New Orleans pick is last 1st and Dieng is way more valuable than that. And when can Brooklyn trade a first, 2020. Not worth is for Minnesota.
08 Oct 2015 19:59:45
I'm probably being slow here, but what does "DP" stand for when people use it on the boards?
DIeng for a lottery protected first is probably fair value
Martin for a lottery protected first is probably a little more than fair.
-- but both picks STRONGLY matter who they are coming from. Pick 15 >>> 28
Rubio for Evans is a no-go. Is there a PG in the league who's skill-set would be better at developing Towns and Wiggins, and could grow with them in MIN? Rubio would look great magnifying the skills of star players (remember how great Love's numbers were when Ricky was on the court?), but those same passing skills are exactly what MIN needs to develop their young lottery picks, so he's probably one of those, hard-to-trade guys that's "more valuable to us than you."
08 Oct 2015 20:04:05
Btw knickerbocker, I like the idea of finding some sort of Joe Johnson for Eric Gordon swap somewhere, so I think there is some useful stuff in this idea to use elsewhere.
08 Oct 2015 22:28:43
DP- "draft pick"
No worries. Keep up the well thought out posts.
08 Oct 2015 22:32:36
Shrink the DP is meant as round pick. They should say 1st RP or round pick but people aren't too bright sometimes.
08 Oct 2015 22:52:55
LOL! Much better than "dottery protected"
09 Oct 2015 16:04:40
Well done OSM, call people out for not being "too bright sometimes" in writing DP, which almost everyone knows means draft picks. Yet you go it means round pick? The sixers have an abundance of ROUND PICKS. Not sharp picks, not square picks. only ROUND PICKS. Seems to me someone else isn't being so bright sometimes ;)
08 Oct 2015 11:20:30
BULLS - SUNS - PISTONS
Bulls receive: Marcus and Marieff Morris.
Suns receive: Taj Gibson.
Pistons receive: Nikola Mirotic or Doug McDermott.
What do you think?
08 Oct 2015 13:25:56
Pistons get way too much for Marcus
08 Oct 2015 14:54:02
At this point, I don't think either Morris brother has this much positive trade value.
09 Oct 2015 14:56:03
This doesn't help detroit at all.
09 Oct 2015 16:37:14
Not enough to pistons
08 Oct 2015 11:00:17
CHI get Jeff Green
MEM get Taj Gibson
** could add some few players or pick but this could work for either team
Bulls get wing player to start for them
Memphis get the Randolph back up to pair with Wright off the bench. They still have Barnes and Allen to play the 3 position
08 Oct 2015 10:55:33
MIN get MEM 1st round pick (top 20 protected), Aaron Harrison & Marvin Williams (exp)
* get a pick for Martin
MEM get Kevin Martin
* get a scorer they need, he'd be happy to play for a contender
CHA get Courtney Lee & 2nd from MIN
* get wing help with the loss of MKG
08 Oct 2015 14:14:44
I like the concept a lot. Courtney Lee is a three-and-d guy . two qualities that the Hornet team needs badly. MEM always has defense, but can use Martin's scoring more (and his defense is not as big a liability there).
I just think the incentives just need to be moved around. The difference between a MEM 1st and MIN 2nd are not as big as the downgrade from Martin to Marvin Williams, and undrafted Aaron Harrison doesn't make up the difference. I think MEM sends CHA the less favorable of the BOS/TOR 2nd, and CHA sends MIN their top 20 protected first.
Nice work, USA!
09 Oct 2015 01:34:05
One thought I had was making any pick offered for Kevin Martin to be lottery protected in 2016, otherwise it turns into a 2016 second rounder.
This is riskier, but there are a couple things I like:
1. If Kevin Martin doesn't get you into the playoffs, the team loses little.
2. The pick obligation is over after 2016, one way or another, and the slate is wiped clean going forward.
08 Oct 2015 03:33:10
Hornets get Melo, Rubio, Payne, and Rudez
Hornets get a superstar scorer and a pass first PG
Knicks get Batum, Hawes, Hairiston, and 2016 top 10 protected 1st rd pick from Hornets, and Hornets future protected 2nd rd pick
Finally rid of Melo with decent return
Twolves get Walker
Scoring explosive PG
08 Oct 2015 13:07:03
This could be the most one sided trade on here. Well played. I'm fairly certain everyone here can realize you are a hornets fan but come on. Terrible terrible return for Melo. And Minnesota is getting far worse with that move.
08 Oct 2015 14:01:09
And there is zero chance Melo would go to Charlotte. He has to ok any trade.
08 Oct 2015 22:30:51
Right. In all Melo trades you have to take into consideration that he has a no-trade clause. He'll go to a team near the top, where he'll get lots of media recognition, and there are other top players for him to be with.
In return, the Knicks will want back at least 1 young talented player and at least 1 very good DP since they don't have future picks of their own.
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