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28 Aug 2016 05:18:56
Bulls trade - Doug MCdermot and 2017 1st pick
76ers trade - Nerlens Noel.

28 Aug 2016 06:21:33
We lose our best shooter and a pick we need for a center we don't need. The Bulls are great at getting late round talent. Not worth.

28 Aug 2016 11:09:30
"Late round". LOL.

28 Aug 2016 02:54:28
Bulls Get: Jahlil Okafor

76ers Get: Denzel Valentine, Bobby Portis, 2017 Kings 1st, 2018 Bulls 1st


I personally am not the biggest fan of this trade, but I've seen Okafor to Chicago rumors a lot recently. I think it's fair value on both sides. Philadelphia NEED to move one of their big men, the rest of the league knows that and subsequently won't pay a premier price.

28 Aug 2016 05:24:18
I really think Okafor is extremely underrated. This is a decent trade for him.

28 Aug 2016 11:12:20
Mr. No-D Okafor is not worth those picks, let alone with those players. Bulls GM would lose his job by the time the deal gets public.

26 Aug 2016 13:21:39
CAVS - CHI - Philly (This could happen in DEC)

CAVS get D. Wade

76ers get J. Butler

CHI gets I. Shumpert, J. McRae, N. Noel, 2017 LAL 1st Rnd Pk, 2017 CAVS 1st Rnd Pk and 2019 Sixers 1st Rnd Pk

I`m not sure but for this trade to go through the cavs would need to use their $9.6m trade exception (unless they did already, in that case this won't go through)

26 Aug 2016 15:18:05
I don't see wade as being a star player too much longer. Cavs wouldn't give up much for him.

26 Aug 2016 15:28:07
Wow. so the bulls give up both wade and butler, and all they get is noel (unnecessary with Lopez) and 2 picks, 1 which is top 3 protected and 1 which is a few years away. Rather realistic.

26 Aug 2016 16:16:17
As a Bulls fan. I would love to see this trade. Bulls aren't going anywhere with there current roster. Getting as much picks as you can in next years draft. Bulls can tank and get maybe 2 top10 picks. Also have kings possibly in lottery and cavs down the road in a loaded draft. Quick turn around is possible.

27 Aug 2016 00:46:04
you are not a Bulls fan if you love this deal. Bulls should trust their line up now. Butler is a star and he can work well with Rondo and Wade i believe.

27 Aug 2016 07:55:11
@----> Hamburger
I did this to see if you actually just disagree automatically or if you can read. HMMMMM I guess was right. instead of reading and understanding the trade you bend over backwards to just disagree. got to love CHILDREN.

Jperkey5
i was thinking the same thing. it may convince CHI to move those pieces and do a quick rebuild with a true and natural PG in place (Rondo) and a good Center, which are two things you need to build a base for a good team of the future.
(thank you for your input)

27 Aug 2016 14:28:31
What are you talking about? It was a terrible trade. Rondo is a good not great pg at this point. So your thinking is that the bulls give up their franchise player to rebuild around rondo and Lopez? Just dumb.

You miss the point. Lopez and Noel are redundant. One pick is far away. The other is top 3 protected.

Only a fool would think the sixers get butler for that. THAT is why I disagree. A sixers fan believing they get butler for Noel and those two picks gives a bad name to sixers fans.

Grow up.

24 Aug 2016 15:57:21
Around trade deadline the Bulls should trade if not working out.
First:
Butler to Philly (Bulls could add a little more)
Bulls get 2017 philly pick, lakers pick and maybe one of bigs.

Wade to Cleveland for some picks and young talent.

Then Bulls can tank and get maybe 3 top 10 picks in a loaded draft and have a very quick rebuild already having Portis and Valentine.

24 Aug 2016 16:36:37
If the Sixers pick is 2018 instead of 2017, then I'd trade 2018 phi, Lakers and a big for Butler.

I wouldn't think twice about it.

24 Aug 2016 17:33:53
I agree and it would work out for philly as well. They are a good guard away from becoming a playoff team. I just don't think the offseason the Bulls had this summer is really setting them up for success for years to come. I think they put a bandaid on the organization that will work for one year max possibly.

24 Aug 2016 17:37:22
Bulls are trying to win now so this is mid season deal of that project fails. Value wise. I like the deal for both teams. It would be Okafor lakers pick and 2018 Sixers pick. The 2017 pick is a swap with the Kings and the Sixers are going to include that.

24 Aug 2016 18:00:34
The Sixers could very easily be worse then the kings this year making the swap irrelevant.

I'm moreso thinking 2018 because then the Sixers would still have thier pick in 2017 and still the kings in 2018. Just being selfish I guess. If they had to do 2017, I'd prolly still pull the trigger.

It would be a good haul for Chicago either way.

25 Aug 2016 06:19:07
The thing you guys have to understand about the bulls is their ownership is trash, maybe even worse than the Kings. Jerry Reinsdorf only wants to sell tickets on this mediocre team so that they still make a profit. Thibadeau wanted to draft Draymond Green and was very adamant on getting him, but the owners wanted Marquis Teague, as they already had a decent front court. There's no way Butler gets traded because the owners want another star to lean on like they did Rose.

27 Aug 2016 21:00:08
This would never happen. But if it did, I'd call it genius. Winners all the way around in my eyes. Although in 2-3 years CLE would be left with a shell of a team with Wade being completely out of form and Lebron FINALLY showing some age, having a huge contract on Love (for no reason) and Kyrie getting pissed because wade/ Lebron won't let him take 50 shots a game.

21 Aug 2016 18:22:49
Kings-Bulls
Bulls trade
Lopez, Portis, Mirotic, Future first rounder
Kings trade
Cousins, Patterson
Bulls
Rondo/ Dinwiddie
Wade/ Snell
Butler/ McDermott
Gibson/ Felicio
Cousins/ Felicio
Kings
Collison/ Richardson
Temple/ McLemore/ Afflalo
Gay/ Casspi/ Barnes
Portis/ Mirotic
Cauley Stein/ Papaganis.

21 Aug 2016 18:39:22
The Bulls should also trow in Grant.

22 Aug 2016 02:16:11
Bulls should also throw in Butler take out Portis. MUCH CLOSER

21 Aug 2016 11:58:23
Bulls-Phoe-sixers

Bulls:
receive: Warren+ Noel+ 1rnd pick Miami 18+ 1rnd pick phoenix 17
trade: Butler+Grant

Phoe:
receive: Butler+ Grant
trade: Warren+ Bledsoe+1rnd pick+ 1rnd pick Miami

sixers:
receive: bledsoe
trade: Noel

Phoe:
C: T Chandler/ Len
PF: Chriss/ Bender
SF: Butler/ Dudley+ Tucker
SG: Booker/ Barbosa
PG: B Knight/ Grant.

21 Aug 2016 15:09:09
Philly and Phoenix say yes, bulls say no.

21 Aug 2016 15:19:49
I Think the Bulls could do this with or without Butler, they're playing for a first round exit. Making money, selling tickets and jerseys from hometown boy D Wade.
The two draft picks give them a future after D Wade.

21 Aug 2016 15:52:08
Philly and Phoenix say yes.

Bulls not getting enough. Sixers would have to include Okafor over Noel.

21 Aug 2016 04:35:01
Sac gets - Denzel valantine, tag Gibson, Doug McDermott, 2019 Chicago 1st rounder
Chicago gets - cousins

Cousins is leaving Sacramento. To who? I think it will be either Boston, Chicago, or New York.

21 Aug 2016 04:58:51
That is an absolute terrible return for Cousins. Trade talks between Chicago and Sacramento for Cousins has to include Jimmy Butler.

21 Aug 2016 05:09:13
Well that isn't happening. I guess Chicago won't get cousins.

21 Aug 2016 06:42:14
That's my point.

21 Aug 2016 13:13:34
Lmao @ Bulls fans.

26 Aug 2016 05:04:07
LOL Not close

19 Aug 2016 08:56:29
3 team trade

Bulls, Suns,76ers

Phoenix gets taj gibson and j. grant

76ers get b. Knight, d. mcdermout, and bobby portis

Bulls get okafer.

19 Aug 2016 09:40:29
i like this trade
Portis has potential and he's a good fit with Noel.

19 Aug 2016 10:18:58
I would keep Portis. better value for Bulls than Okafor.

19 Aug 2016 13:40:26
I'd keep Okafor. Knight for Noel makes sense. Not Okafor.

19 Aug 2016 14:58:17
Replace Portis with valantine and replace knight with Bledsoe and I think all three teams would do it.

19 Aug 2016 15:21:19
Lol tregib.

19 Aug 2016 15:26:33
Actually, only the sixers do this.

Seriously. okafor for bledsoe straight up is about right. But you want mcdermott and a very solid big man prospect in portis?

hold you breath. i'm sure hell get that return real soon.

19 Aug 2016 16:52:23
Hamburger

Lol Very solid big man prospect in Portis. Hilarious.

19 Aug 2016 17:10:59
Portis is a better rebounder, defender, and free throw shooter than okafor. His win shares, plus/ minus, and value over replacement beats okafor.

Maybe he's not the offensive player that okafor is, but neither is a top 2 option on a contender. I might take Portis over okafor long term, due to what I expect their contracts are in a few years and how they view themselves. Okafor seems like a guy that wants to be a #1 option, but just isn't one. Portis seems like a guy that's happy to be a role player, and will work hard, do the little things.

Overall, this is a steal for Phili. Phoenix is getting screwed. The Bulls accept this deal.

19 Aug 2016 17:28:13
What makes him not TreGib? He has range out to the 3 point line, can guard both big positions. He played roughly 18 minutes a game last season in a crowded front court and he put up solid numbers for a rookie drafted in the late first. I think he is a SOLID big man prospect.

I think you might have a very different view on what SOLID means. He never said he was a great prospect and one day will be come great. he just said he was solid which means he will be a decent starter or role player in the league.

Not everyone is going to have sky high potential like all your Sixers prospects do. Like Ben Simmons becoming the next Magic. Joel Embiid becoming the next Olajuwon.
-note that this last comment is completely sarcasm.

19 Aug 2016 17:56:33
Larry it really shouldn't be, I'm on the Embiid hype train and see him being a 25/ 12 guy withing 3-4 seasons.

19 Aug 2016 18:46:26
Until we see him in live action play you can't say that though. He's been out of basketball for 3 years now. I'm I loved his potential coming out of college but even then he was still so raw. He hasn't had much time to work on that because he's been injured and has had to recover from surgery after surgery.

19 Aug 2016 19:12:30
what makes him not is he isn't on the sixers. he wasnt on the worst team in the league and able to get more minutes, and thus, more stats.

Per 36 minutes, 14.2pts, 11 rebounds, 1.7 assists, shooting 31% from the 3.

okafor, 21, 8, 1.5

okafor win shares per 48. 0.037
Portis. 0.066

So yeah, great prospect. But again, he isn't a sixers big man, and he scores less than okafor, so that alone makes him worthless, right tre?

19 Aug 2016 19:18:41
Hamburger

More fun with stats. Sorry. Watch the game. Portis isn't even what I consider a good prospect. He's just okay. Destined to be a bench piece at best.

Okafor was doubled against starting NBA players. Not backs ups like Portis. Stats can be contorted to be anything you want. Watch the games.

19 Aug 2016 19:19:27
Larry I watched Portis against NBA back ups. He's okay. Not close to being an impactful guy in the NBA. I actually don't know if he does anything above average.

19 Aug 2016 19:37:28
The Sixers had 10 wins last year and Okafor missed a decent amount of games. Bmiller. Do you even know what makes up the stats you say portis is supieror in?

His 18 mins a game aren't enough to say he's a better rebounder or defender either. (not saying Okafor is currently great at either)

I'm good with the term "solid" to describe him but please don't try to convince anyone that you would take him over Okafor.

19 Aug 2016 20:12:40
It's easy to say Portis is a better defender than okafor, because okafor and Kanter are the two worst defensive bigs in the NBA by far. It's not close.

And okafor is a poor rebounder. Statistically or watching him, he's a bad rebounder.

And the numbers I mentioned were per 36 minutes, not per game, so they aren't skewed by missed games or playing time.

Also, I've seen okafor before when his name was Al Jefferson, Greg Monroe, and Enes Kanter. We know how he progresses in his career. It's not hard to track.

19 Aug 2016 20:46:15
Tre- I watched Okafor put up these "superior" numbers on a team that won 10 games last season. He was the only option on that team to go to. I would easily think that if Portis was in Okafor's position he could have put up close to or similar numbers. But you are also have to get back to what I was actually saying and what Hamburger was saying. He is a SOLID prospect. Neither of us said he was the next coming. We just said that he would be a solid rotation player. If you can't see that then you clearly need help in evaluating players that are in different uniforms. Your Sixers bias is way to strong.

19 Aug 2016 20:46:15
Tre- I watched Okafor put up these "superior" numbers on a team that won 10 games last season. He was the only option on that team to go to. I would easily think that if Portis was in Okafor's position he could have put up close to or similar numbers. But you are also have to get back to what I was actually saying and what Hamburger was saying. He is a SOLID prospect. Neither of us said he was the next coming. We just said that he would be a solid rotation player. If you can't see that then you clearly need help in evaluating players that are in different uniforms. Your Sixers bias is way to strong.

19 Aug 2016 21:42:49
Phx is getting shafted in this deal.

19 Aug 2016 22:56:08
Larry

how many double teams did Portis face in his entire life? Zero. No one cares about Portis. But when you play the Sixers you cover Okafor. And since he was the only threat to score. You doubled him. And even with that he put up buckets every night at a better fields al percentage then Portis. Portis isn't even close to the porspect level of Okafor

Be realistic. No one on earth draft Portis over Oakfor. the value isn't even close.

MY SIXERS BIAS IS NOT FOR EVERY GUY ON THE TEAM. ONLY THE TALENTED ONES. I've said many time that last year the Sixers had two NBA players. Oakfor and Noel. The rest was the worst roster this league has ever seen. So it's not bias it's observation.

20 Aug 2016 00:11:32
So you're whole team is talented then? You are biased. In your mind, Sixers players are all stars. And you think of NBA players as stars or nobodies on the bench. Oh and Portis has a worse percentage because he doesn't stand by the rim the like okafor. He's a stretch four.

20 Aug 2016 01:29:04
Can we end the Okafor for President bumbling that TreGib continually writes?

Mike would put money on Okafor making one or fewer all-star teams and winning no major awards in his NBA career. He will be better than average, and that's it. He's more likely to be a better shooting Greg Monroe than a star.

The NBA is about athletic bigs who can run, space the floor and be versatile defenders, Okafor is none of these. I'm not suggesting that Portis is better or worse than Okafor, I'm just really, really tired of hearing how "the Saviour" Okafor is somehow worth an all-star in return.

20 Aug 2016 05:25:30
Triangle, it's because of DOUBLE TEAMS! He's great because he gets double teamed! Put him on a team with good shooters and he's an all star apparently. They want to keep the "monster" the "beast. "

20 Aug 2016 08:11:56
@--->Triangle O
what TreGib is saying is that, If Okafor had been on the Bulls, he would have put up MUCH BETTER numbers then Portis did. He is RIGHT Okafor was doubled EVERYNIGHT, since we BARELY had any outside shooting on our team. so I`m sure Okafor would have lit it up in Chicago.

@--->LarryLegend33
let it go dude. its not our fault, good old DANNY waisted 75% of your teams future picks on no talented BIGS. hopefully Sully can get a chance to play now and everyone can see Olynyk shows the true bust he is. and don`t worry, you`ll get to see Embiid up close and personal for years to come. He is healthy. the REAL question is what happens if he lands on someones foot, like we all do in basketball. will it break or hold up? that`s what scares me about his situation.

STOP THE FUSSING N GET BACK TO THE TRADE PEOPLE.

As for the trade. its not a bad trade.
I would take Portis out and replace him with Valentine. giving the Sixers a TRUE reserve JUMPSHOT SHOOTER, instead of a bench full of "sometimie jump hitters".

20 Aug 2016 12:45:14
Sixers4life. be quiet

You are so dillusional if you are trying to convince yourself that okafor was doubled and triple teamed his entire season. Just wasn't so.

So what, okafor on a team with other options is putting up 30-40 a night?

Was okafor so amazing and a generational talent that he is now considered behind embiid, a man who missed two full seasons and half of his only college season?

Your bias is absurd. You blanket all sixers with this aura of godlike potential while playing for the worst team in the league.

Players tre has anointed all nba.

Noel, embiid, saric, Simmons, okafor, Covington. go back a bit and there was also Marshall and other failures.

You are so ridiculous. 3 players that never played in the nba. All stars and compared to Magic Johnson and Olajuwon. As for the other under performers, best in the league. Okafor would be putting up 30pts and 15 boards if he was on the Bulls. He'd also be defensive player of the year. I swear!

You guys are trash. Learn the game. Oh wait, that's right, tre watches every single game. He is a scout of the Bulls. Knicks. Wolves. Kings. Lakers any other teams you claim to watch religiously and know that okafor is already they greatest player in the history of all them franchises?

20 Aug 2016 15:03:00
Double teamed, only because he played with absolutely no one else. Put him on a good team and he doesn't become a star, he just gets lost in the shuffle.

K Love, superstar in Minny, K Love, having a hard time fitting in with the Cavs. Love is more talented than Okafor, so drop him in with a Cleveland and you see his "God like" 10 and 6 come out.

20 Aug 2016 15:39:56
" He is RIGHT Okafor was doubled EVERYNIGHT, since we BARELY had any outside shooting on our team. so I`m sure Okafor would have lit it up in Chicago. "

Like the Bulls have a better shooting team right?

20 Aug 2016 17:19:32
The king hamburger and the rest.

I'll keep Okafor over a lot of guys in this league. I watched him every game in college and in the NBA last year. The guy has the potential to be the best player on a championship team and a downside of being al Jefferson.

Al Jefferson had a hell of a career. So as the low end potential wise I'll take that guy over most of the trade packages I've seen. It's that simple. If you watched him or if he was on la or ny you would say the same damn thing.

20 Aug 2016 23:29:55
Tregib, I think the best case for Okafor is Andrew Bynum without the on off court issues and knees of a 75 year old. Don't think he will be on bynums level of defense. But Bynum was at best a third option on 2 championship teams, which isn't bad, but not what people hype him up to be.

21 Aug 2016 10:58:22
@--->Hamburger
I`m pretty sure LOVE DIDN`T average 30-40 a night. (that your video game skills talking. leave 2K out of this! ) . what i'm explaining to you is, LOVE at best is a double double guy NOW. and as you can see, once Okafor is completely in shape (his fat lazy ass) he will be as well on the Sixers. and by the way, Bynum was a monster in the paint. but he was a KID MENTALY. and it showed in the nonsense he did off the court, that destroyed his career. I see Okafor as Brad Daugherty in the future. not great but very consistent at the position he plays.
@---->King
The bulls supporting cast is much better then the Sixers and has become even better this year. so yes they do have better shooters then the Sixers or are you BLIND.?

19 Aug 2016 04:48:24
Bulls trade - Butler

Wolves trade - Wiggins and Dieng maybe 1st

Rubio - Dunn
Lavine
Butler
Dieng
Towns

Rondo
Wade
Wiggins
Portis
Lopez.

19 Aug 2016 07:17:46
LOL didn`t you just trade DIENG.? so why would he be in TWolves lineup?

19 Aug 2016 15:24:01
There is no way Wolves do this, Wiggins will be a superstar in this league. They wouldn't do Wiggins straight up for Butler.

19 Aug 2016 19:43:08
I haven't seen anything that says superstar out of wiggins so far. I understand that he's very young still and has a lot of talent. I'm just saying.

19 Aug 2016 20:00:42
I agree, becoming a superstar is no guarantee, but that doesn't change the fact that the Wolves didn't want to give up Wiggins alone for Butler and definitely wouldn't give up this much.

18 Aug 2016 17:05:57
I love home town players so I'll try Chicago

Sixers bucks and Bulls

Sixers trade Oakfor
Sixers get Middleton and mcw

Bucks trade Middleton mcw and Parker
Bucks get jimmy butler

Chicago trade jimmy butler
Chicago get Okafor ( Chicago native) and parker ( Chicago native)

Chicago starting five

Rondo
Wade
Mcdermott
Parker
Oakfor

Back ups
Grant
Valentine
Snell
Mirotic
Lopez.

18 Aug 2016 18:33:40
Sixers would have to give some more to Bucks since Middleton > Okafor as far as trade value given Middleton's 3 and D style is valuable in any system. This may help persuade Bucks to do the deal since as is I think they're giving up too much. Okafor and Parker is a pretty good return for Butler (Two high level prospects that are young and Bulls will be able to build and market around) but that team would struggle with spacing due to lack of shooting although that isn't really as a direct result of this trade (having Rondo and Wade puts you in a difficult place where you need a stretch 4 and capable shooter at sf) . I think Bucks would need more than Butler since Middleton is a great piece and Parker showed flashes of his great potential last season.

18 Aug 2016 18:50:37
Bucks give way to much, Butler is worth Parker alone!!!

18 Aug 2016 19:06:48
I'm not doing either if I'm the bucks.

18 Aug 2016 19:16:45
Wow that's a lot for the Bucks to give up.

18 Aug 2016 19:26:48
Butler is worth more then Parker. . Stop

Sixers may need to add, though I think taking on MCW should be enough to make up the difference.

18 Aug 2016 19:50:36
Taking mcw doesn't make up the difference, come on. He may have no value but it's not negative value he doesn't have a huge contract.

18 Aug 2016 20:00:06
I think it's fair value for everyone. Sixers should be fine giving up Oakfor for Middleton and mcw. It's not an amazing return but it's a potentially nice addition to the group.

For the bucks. It's a lot to lose but a lot to gain too. Jimmy butler immediately gives the bucks a go to guy with Monroe in the paint and Giannis running point. I really like that core. And You have to realize parker hasn't done anything in this league so far. I agree he has potential though of course but at pf. I just don't know if he has a future all star look to him. Middleton is ok. Nothing jumping out at me as amazing aside from shooting and I hear his defense is pretty raw. Mcw I think the hope would be a return to philly would be a return to his form when he played there.

Bulls get a lot to get better now and in the future for jimmy butler who is a top quality player. It will be worth the deal for them.

18 Aug 2016 20:59:05
MCW doesn't have a big or long contract not sure why he'd be considered a negative asset. He has shown if nothing more he can put up stats. He played some of his best bball with 76ers and they don't have anyone much better so I don't see why they'd be against taking him. His lack of shooting may not make him the best fit but he has talent which 76ers don't have too much of especially at guard.

18 Aug 2016 21:18:20
Jaw.

I agree mcw is pretty much a bust for bucks. He just doesn't fit with them. Sixers would Tia whim back with hopes he can get back to his old form with better teammates.

18 Aug 2016 23:43:27
Sixers got rid of mcw because he couldn't shoot so why would they want him back now. They have their PG in Simmons they need shooters.

19 Aug 2016 01:28:53
@tre Mcw can back to his old form with "better teammates"?!?!!!! The sixers are awful and their players are nowhere near the Bucks current roster. Prospect level and current talent the bucks are leaps and bounds ahead of the sixers.
But anyways. Bucks not giving up Middleton and Parker for butler. He is a phenominal player, but I think they would rather keep the two unless more is added. What about some combo of, saric, or some pick they have stocked away. That's just to even out the value for what the sixers get and give. I still would be very hesitant if I'm the Bucks.

19 Aug 2016 02:32:10
Bucks

I disagree. Giannis isn't Simmons but they're close talent wise. Bayless is on the Sixers who was an underrated part of the bucks offense. They have no replacement for him. Parker is young and really hasn't lived up to the hype yet. I believe he will over time. Monroe is a great per guy but a poor defender.

As of now. I'd rather be the Sixers then the bucks. More money. Younger guys. More picks and more cap room later.

But good luck to both teams. I root for the bucks to get better and they should.

19 Aug 2016 02:33:23
Bucks

O and I was actually referring to the Sixers team he left when he first got trade to the Sixers team they have now. Nothing against the bucks. They're a decent young squad. Still a superstar away from contending though.

19 Aug 2016 05:11:51
Giannis is better than Simmons.

19 Aug 2016 06:01:52
Thrillhouse i would like to see that 3-4 years from now.

19 Aug 2016 06:47:52
We'll see.

19 Aug 2016 06:48:20
When giannis is an MVP candidate.

19 Aug 2016 13:45:04
Giannis is an interesting player. Not sure he's capable of being mvp. But he's certainly the bucks best player.

19 Aug 2016 15:33:55
once switched to pg. in his third year. playing for the first time. he averaged:

20pts, 7.2 assts, 8.2 rebounds.

Playing the position for the first time ever. he's 21 and shoots over 50% from the field.

Again, why isn't he capable of being mvp? Dude realistically can average near a triple double, while approaching 25pts a game. Never understand what your statements are based off of, rather than baseless opinion. Good job.

19 Aug 2016 17:02:21
Hamburger

I actually watch the games. You can throw stats all you want but if you watch the games you can see the obviously flaws and shortcomings. Mcw scored 16.7, 6.3 assist and, looked like a superstar on defense having 2 steals a game.

But he went to another team and disappeared.

Stats are over valued. They are support for opinions that should be drawn by watching the actual games. Instead of drawing your opinions off the stats alone.

Giannis is great but the transition was far from seem less. He became a ball hog of sorts and it was interesting switching. That being said I loved it. Especially for the first year move. Too early for mvp canadate talk but the kid is young and skilled.

19 Aug 2016 19:15:37
but giannis scored at 50% and displayed range.

you are such a hypocrite. You quote ppg as the end all be all. But when someone else does. you don't care about stats.

get out of here. learn consistency.

19 Aug 2016 19:54:51
He's not capable of being mvp while on the bucks*** is what he should have said. Mvps need to be on winning teams and that market isn't going to attract enough players to do so. He'll be playing elsewhere.

19 Aug 2016 20:11:21
Hamburger.

I state stats to back up my opinion. Like when I say Okafor score 17.5 a game against DOUBLE TEAMS. Stats don't show you that. You base your opinion purely on stats. Your an analytics guy. Not a basketball guy. It's fine. A lot of NBA executes are analytics guys. But you have to watch the games too or your stats will make you blind.

18 Aug 2016 13:09:03
76ers/ Wolves/ Bulls

76ers - Dunn, Lavine.

Wolves - Butler, Noel.

Bulls - Okafor, Covington, rights to Korkmaz, Sixers 2018 Lottery protected 1st, Wolves 2018 Lottery protected 1st, 3 2nd round picks.

76ers:
Dunn
Lavine
Saric
Simmons
Embiid

Although trading both centers is risky if Embiid isn't healthy, (i think he will be) you land the perfect backcourt next Simmons.

Wolves:
Rubio
Butler
Wiggins
Towns
Noel

Shooting might be a concern but if Butler and Wiggins hit around 38% it won't ber horrible. Plus try and score on that team.

Bulls:
Rondo
Wade
Mirotic
Gibson
Okafor

Okafor needs shooters (Valentine, McDermott, Mirotic) in order to dominate inside with a few years and a rim protector at the 4 this team would be pretty good.

18 Aug 2016 13:42:19
I think both picks to the bulls should be unprotected, or atleast pretty close to unprotected. Okafor and two picks outside the lottery shouldn't get butler.

18 Aug 2016 14:08:06
That line-up has the worst spacing I have ever seen. None of the players on the Wolves can shoot.

Not saying anything about value, but this really isn't a good trade for the Wolves fit wise.

18 Aug 2016 14:44:16
i like this deal all around. But bulls are going to take their shot this year so this would have to be mid season deal.

18 Aug 2016 15:17:07
I'm not sure asking butler and Wiggins to increase their shooting from 30% to 38% is fair. As wolvesfan said, the shooting on that team would be among the worst in the NBA. Towns is the only guy that shot over 32% from deep last year in that lineup.

Value is fair, but minny needs a shooter or two. Especially when your best bench wings are prince and shabazz, who are both horrible (28% and 17%) as well.

18 Aug 2016 16:08:00
Remove Wolves Protection, and Send Valentine to Them.

19 Aug 2016 11:29:14
ThunderFan. stick with your boys. this trade is just play sorry. why would Philly give up TWO of its BIGS, when we can talk directly to the TWolves and make OUR portion of the trade? plus we get to keep, Covington, Korkmaz, Okafor and our future picks.

Do like i do. (because you seem like you truly love your team too) . Picture yourself as the GM and ask yourself if you would make this trade from the other teams view?

19 Aug 2016 15:36:05
sixers4life. the sixers would clearly jump on this. Legit high potential pg in dunn, legit high potential sg in lavine and they give up 2 now, back up big men and a some ok pieces?

So you get your front court of the future and claim it is awful, just awful.

Cant disagree enough with you.

20 Aug 2016 08:21:19
@--->Hamburger
so you think a starting five wins you NBA games? ONLY ON YOUR VIDEO GAME GUY! The bench would be so bad that the starters would need to play every game COMPLETELY to win. then your giving away future picks and assets for NOTHING in return. SMART HUH? NOT! The Sixers give up way too much for ONLY TWO PLAYERS. and if EMBIID GETS HURT. THEN WHAT Hamburger? yeah, i know. I`m going in to deep for you huh? don`t worry, you still ok with me. LOL.

16 Aug 2016 13:30:28
Jazz get Gibson Holiday
Bulls get Rose Bolomboy Pleiss
Knicks get Rondo Burks

Bulls
Rose/ Canaan/ Grant
Wade/ Valentine/ Dinwiddie
Butler/ McDermott/ Snell
Mirotic/ Felicio/ Bolomboy
Lopez/ Portis/ Pleiss

Jazz
Hill/ Neto/ Mack
Hayward/ Exum/ Holiday
Hood/ JJohnson/ C. Johnson
Favors/ Lyles/ Ingles
Gobert/ Diaw/ Gibson

Knicks
Rondo/ Jennings/ Randle
Lee/ Burks/ Vujacic
Melo/ Thomas/ Ndour
Porzingis/ Kuzminskas/ Hernangomez
Noah/ O'Quinn/ Plumlee.

16 Aug 2016 17:18:09
You get about 8, s because you'll need them more then me.

16 Aug 2016 18:10:33
Are you really proposing that Derrick Rose goes back to the Bulls right after they traded him? What?

16 Aug 2016 23:13:19
So knicks get rondo and burks for rose.

11 Aug 2016 05:25:48
Sixers get McDermott, Snell and the SAC pick

Bulls get Okafor

----

TOR gets: Taj Gibson

Bulls get: Terrence Ross.



Bulls

Rondo/Grant
Wade/Valentine
Butler/Ross
Okafor/Mitotic
Lopez/Portis

11 Aug 2016 13:33:17
What's the deal with the Sac pick? I know the Sixers already have a swap with them this year.

11 Aug 2016 17:51:30
No from sixers. Rather have okafor then a bunch of role players.

09 Aug 2016 08:19:11
Bucks/ Kings/ Bulls/ Hornets

Bucks : J. Butler, C. Zeller

Giannis delly ennis
Butler brogdon
Middleton vaughn
Zeller teletovic
Henson plumlee

Kings : J. Parker, M. KG, M. Carter-Williams, 1st Bucks, 1st Bulls and 2nd from Hornets

Mcw collison
Afflalo mclemore
Mkg barnes casspi
Parker skal papa
Wcs koufos

Bulls : D. Cousins and M. Bellineli

Rondo grant canaan
Wade bellineli
Mcdermott valentine
Cousins mirotic portis
Lopez gibson felicio

Hornets : R. Gay and G. Monroe

Kemba sessions
Batum lamb
Gay williams
Kaminsky hawes
Monroe hibbert.

09 Aug 2016 13:52:23
Bulls 2nd, hornets 1st round pick would be fair value for all the teams.

09 Aug 2016 21:48:57
Apparently you want the bucks tank . Must be a kings fan .

09 Aug 2016 23:22:13
Marblehds how are the Bucks tanking they just get Butler on this deal.

13 Aug 2016 00:39:49
Must be a Kings fan? Kings reject this garbage.

06 Aug 2016 14:11:24
Phoe
trade: Len+ Bledsoe+ Warren+ 1rnd pick Miami 18+ 1rnd pick Phoe 17 (top 3 protected)
receive: J Butler

Philly:
trade: Noel
receive: Bledsoe

Bulls:
receive: Warren+ Len+ Noel+ 1rnd pick Phoe+ 1rnd pick Miami 18
trade: J Butler


Phoe:
C: T Chandler/ Bender
PF: Chriss/ Bender
SF: J Butler
SG: Booker
PG: Knight

Bulls
C: Lopez/ Len/ Portis
PF: Noel/ Mirotic/ Portis
SF: Warren/ Snell
SG: D Wade/ Valentine
Pg: Rondo/ Grant.

06 Aug 2016 15:35:44
So, essentially, you tear the Suns apart. and they get Butler? Not a chance. You also show Bender as a center. He'll never play the 5 in the NBA. maybe only situationally at the 4. Suns hang up on this one.

06 Aug 2016 16:25:19
The suns give up some assets, but they receive a star
I think Butler is the perfect fit for Booker.

06 Aug 2016 16:46:57
Similar to my Sixers, I'm not sure there is really anything to "tear apart" with the suns, but agree that is too much just for Butler,

07 Aug 2016 05:23:59
Simmons the suns eill be conteders in 5 years no doubt.

07 Aug 2016 16:14:22
The Suns are trying to go the build with youth route. odds are it won't work the way they hope it will but. if that's what they are doing, then, they do not want or need one near-superstar (like Butler) . or guys no one really wants (Rudy Gay, Monroe) . or a guy who has "his" team and still can't win anything (Cousins) . Now, if they could swing a deal for an Okafor or Noel. sure. but it appears, for better or worse, they're going to go with what they have.

08 Aug 2016 14:22:04
I'm the current NBA you need atleast one superstar to be a contender. When that changes I'll pay mee attention to the suns.

05 Aug 2016 21:46:33
Sixers.2 trades

1. Phi/ LA Lakers

Phi gets Brandon Ingram
Lakers get LA 17 pick

2. Phi/ Chicago/ Sac

Phi gets both ends of Sac 17 pick.1-10 from Sac and 11-30 from Chicago. Plus a second from Sac if Sac 1 falls in 1-10.

Chicago gets Noel
Sac gets Sac 19 pick returned.

Both don't have much confidence where Sacs pick will fall. Both would rather get something than nothing. Risk reward for Philly. Give LA pick back but get Sac pick unprotected. Still have 2 2017 lottery picks. Also pick up Ingram.

05 Aug 2016 22:44:16
Ok. so the first trade you want a pick that is 4 or worse, or 2 years away. for this years 2 overall which most consider a number 1 quality. Clearly no.

The second you want a pick that is likely top 5 and potentially top 3 for noel. also clearly no.

moving on.

05 Aug 2016 22:46:42
You don't just "pick up" Ingram

05 Aug 2016 23:17:26
This is horrible.

06 Aug 2016 02:04:08
Terrible for la. Second trade is stupid for philly.

05 Aug 2016 23:01:34
terrible trade proposal. No way Lakers trade Ingram for their pick back. ridiculous. Makes philly fans look bad.

05 Aug 2016 16:45:52
Chicago:
receive C Anthony+ Dieng+ return 2rnd pick Chi + 2rnd pick Houston
trade: J Butler+ Mirotic

NY:
ReceiveJ Butler+ Pekovic
trade: C Anthony+ 2rnd pick Chi+ 2rnd pick Hous

Wolves:
receive: Mirotic
sent: Pekovic+ Dieng.

05 Aug 2016 19:13:17
Carmelo does not get you Butler.

05 Aug 2016 22:17:46
Wolves pass on that deal, Mirotic plays no defense, and Thibs wanted to pick Dieng in the draft.

06 Aug 2016 00:10:47
It's not so much Melo does not get you Butler, Knicks don't trade Melo to get Rose Butler back together.

06 Aug 2016 03:47:28
I mean, I agree that rose butler isn't a good combo, but still, Melo does not get you butler. I mean its Carmelo ( never made a player around me better that wasn't already made better by George Karl) Anthony.
I didn't want the wolves to mortgage the future for him but that doesn't mean I don't see jimmy butler. I'll always take JB over CA, all day every day. Not cause Carmelo's bad but because he doesn't care.

05 Aug 2016 12:47:04
Massive midseason deal

CHI/ LAC

CHI get Chris Paul and Blake Griffin

LAC get Rajon Rondo, Jimmy Butler and Nikola Mirotic

Of course CHI would need the extension from both players. Paul and Wade together would be nice

Paul
Wade
Mcdermott
Griffin
Lopez

Rivers and Rondo back together with a rising superstar in Butler to retool the squad

Rondo
Reddick
Butler
Mirotic
Jordan.

05 Aug 2016 12:57:53
Not enough to LA.

05 Aug 2016 13:44:21
Bulls should add the Kings pick and a young player

05 Aug 2016 14:43:40
The Bulls get the better players.
But the Clippers receive capspace

I really like the Griffin for Butler + Mirotic trade.

05 Aug 2016 17:39:01
This is interesting, if the Bulls just add a pick to LA then it's believable.

05 Aug 2016 18:43:20
Actually is Rondo+mirotic for Paul
Griffin's value=Butler's value.

04 Aug 2016 16:07:26
CLE: Jimmy Butler, Doug McDermott, Tony Snell two first and a second

CHI: LeBron James

04 Aug 2016 16:26:27
:-) :-) :-)

LBJ owns Wade that trade.

04 Aug 2016 01:05:18
Cavs get butler, randle, mozgov, clarkson, nance, dm and deng plus picks from Bulls

Lakers get gibson, shumpert dunleavy, fry and love

Bulls get james sign and trade max.

who loses if james don't want to commit to resign in Cleveland.

04 Aug 2016 02:12:17
Lakers get screwed. If we are giving up Clarkskn, Randle and Nance we should get Butler.

04 Aug 2016 02:19:46
James has already committed.

04 Aug 2016 04:19:22
by "picks from Bulls" do you mean 2017-2037 1st round picks?

 
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