30 Apr 2017 03:26:23
Minnesota gets Jimmy Butler
Chicago gets Ricky Rubio and Zack LaVine
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30 Apr 2017 03:26:23
29 Apr 2017 18:05:36
-bulls offseason moves
don't trade jimmy!
- draft luke kennard
- try to sign millsap
- resign rondo
- let wade walk if he opts out
- resign felicio or sign mason plumlee
- sign patty mills for backup pg
- sign robert covington
- get rid of jerian grant, mcw, cameron payne, and anthony morrow
- idk about joffrey
c: lopez/plumlee or felicio
- obviously still more spots to fill. let me know what you think!
29 Apr 2017 22:11:42
Don't think Covington is a free agent.
30 Apr 2017 02:23:34
Covington has a nargain basement 1 million team option which the sixers are sure to pick up. Never going to reach free agency this year.
30 Apr 2017 13:02:47
okay but bulls need to get a defensive wing that can shoot the 3 as well.
28 Apr 2017 15:52:53
Boston and Chicago move
J.Butler by J.Crowder, A.Bradley, D.Jackson, J. Mickey,pick37
Danilo Gallinari 78.M for 4 years
Gerald Green 1 year minimum salary
Kelly Olynnyk 30.M for 4 years
Celtics Roster 2017
28 Apr 2017 16:47:54
A Gallo, Horford frontcourt would be really small.
28 Apr 2017 16:48:48
If Chicago deals Butler and starts a rebuild, they probably don't want bradley or Crowder. They'd want the picks and young players, which Boston has.
28 Apr 2017 16:50:11
Gallinari is not likely to agree to a 3 million dollar raise even know he hasn't played close to full season since he was a Knick. Someone will give him a contract, just not the C's. As for KO, he'll get way more on the open market, he'll get 50-60.
Bos-Chi. Unless Bos has a replacement for Bradley I don't see him being part of this deal. Crowder yes, but Bulls would want more in the line of a Nets pick in that deal to go along with Jackson and Mickey.
26 Apr 2017 22:58:27
okc thunder offseason
sign griffin max
roberson 3 year 23 mil
gibson 2 year 14 mil
Okc TRADE abrines sobonis syngler bulls 2nd
okc RECEIVE Jae crowder
Heat Trade whiteside
HEAT receive sobonis abrines syngler bulls 2nd brown/smart and clippers 1st 2019 pick
celtics get whiteside
heat get rebuild with brown abrines and sobonis 3 promising players while geting picks
celtics cet lethal rim proterctor and great center while kepping brooklyn picks and assuming they sign GORDON HAYWARD
OKC get contendor and shooter around russ and blake while getting a deaper bench
Please share what you think.
26 Apr 2017 23:52:05
OkC is over the cap.
27 Apr 2017 00:28:17
no they can go into luxury tax and they will be fine.
27 Apr 2017 02:37:24
rkenne is correct, the Thunder are already over the cap next year, and you have them adding another $40M - $50M worth of salary. There is a cap you know.
24 Apr 2017 19:10:45
Bulls off season keep rondo dwade stays we sign DRose yesterday they introduced him looked like he misses his team he didn't look in the camera looked like his eyes were tearing up drose is better than mcw jerian grant.
24 Apr 2017 20:32:08
I don't think Rose and Rondo together would work. You would end up with 4 people in your back court + Butler that are at best below average shooters. You would have to bring either Rondo or Rose off the bench and I'm not sure either of them want to be in that role. Also, I think someone is going to give way to much money to Rose. Who at this point is at best a below average starting point guard. If they plan on keeping Butler, they should go after the top level free agents. Someone like Millsap would be a great get for them. Then try to add more shooters.
24 Apr 2017 20:44:54
If you sign DRose, then you have 5 point guards under contract: Rondo, Rose, Payne, Grant, Canaan.
24 Apr 2017 23:01:36
If Rondo and Wade stay not sure why you'd want Rose. Even after another injury he'll likely command $14+ million per year which is rich for a guy who would have to come off your bench (can't play him Wade, Rondo and Butler together) . This money would be better spent elsewhere even if its not this offseason.
21 Apr 2017 18:01:30
Rondo for Noah Melo
21 Apr 2017 19:42:16
That is big win for Knicks. They could clear a bunch of salary. Not sure how likely they are to land those FA but having cap space is never a bad thing. I don't think Melo will have much trade value (not cause he is a bad player, he is still among top scorers in the league) and both he and the Knicks would be best moving on.
If I'm the Bulls I don't like the deal. They can have up to like 53M in cap space this summer. I'd rather just add someone like Millsap then getting Melo and having to take on Noah's contract which will prevent them from adding another solid piece.
21 Apr 2017 19:43:00
While getting rid of Noah's deal would be awesome, trading Melo and only getting Rondo back is a no go.
21 Apr 2017 22:11:43
Triangle O getting rid of Noah's contract in the deal would save them 1st. Melo's no trade clause means anything more than expiring contracts makes it a win for the Knicks. Melo can dictate any trade terms. Why would he want the team he's going to to lose more than the very minimum? I think a first or a first and expiring contracts will get him. Melo can pick any team interested and force the trade. Melo can stop any bidding war.
21 Apr 2017 23:34:10
Rkenne_16, you just said the magic word that's missing from this post, a 1st. As per my point, Rondo alone doesn't get Melo. Throw in the Bulls 1st, and the Knicks send back the Bulls 2nd and the deal works.
22 Apr 2017 00:20:42
I think a first would be easier to get for Carmelo than getting rid of Noah's contract, but it would be hard to get both in the deal. It would be hard to find a contender willing to take on 40+ million to add 1 player.
22 Apr 2017 02:12:24
Wait hold up, you want rondo and a 1st for the worst contract in basketball and a player that your president literally couldn't get austin rivers for at the deadline? No thanks.
22 Apr 2017 13:01:54
Who says the Knicks could not get Rivers for Melo at the deadline. Though the Prez is a complete moron who doesn't understand that bad mouthing a player brings down their value, we don't know who or what caused a deal to fall apart. Based on Phil's moronic handling of a Rose for Rubio trade, he probably asked for more than we know (ie. Reddick instead of Crawford or Johnson) .
22 Apr 2017 14:02:43
Actually, he literally could get austin rivers for melo, but didn't want him.
As to rkenne. do you follow sports? You post a lot but really just sound foolish.
Yes, he has a no trade clause, which he will use, if he decides he wants out. HE WANTS OUT. So why would he not tell the knicks which team he will be traded for and which scrub he will allow them to take? Because the knicks just won't trade him. Melo has only the power to say no. He has ZERO power to decide who gets traded.
Besides. he loves new york, he hates the knicks management. He has business in new york. What player goes, oh man, let me screw the knicks hard becase i want a better team where i go. Ohhh man yeah. Name a single trade in which the player with the no trade told the management which team he will allow, then told the management which players he will allow them to seek in return. Moron.
22 Apr 2017 15:30:13
Melo has the power to agree or veto anytime he wants. He literally has all the power in this situation. He can opt out at the end of next season and the worse thing the Knicks can do is sit him. Then they lose him for nothong. All the while frustrating Porzingis even more. The Knicks are going to get next to nothing for Melo. You're delusional if you think otherwise. Jackson is in a terrible position.
22 Apr 2017 16:13:34
Boy, it's hard to figure out a possible trade for Anthony in which the Knicks save face. Management usually holds all the cards, but right now the player himself and other teams are calling the shots.
Maybe PJax should just step away and tell Anthony's agent to work out any deal he can.
22 Apr 2017 18:55:59
Whether he could or couldn't get Rivers for melo is a trite point (although i stand by the fact that I've heard he couldn't) . The point is that Melo does not get you back a 1st.
Phil has told the world he doesn't want him, his contract is high, and he's on the wrong side of 30. The Knicks have no leverage what so ever to bring back a 1st. Especially from a team like Chicago who needs every pick they can get.
21 Apr 2017 02:15:26
Chicago Bulls offseason
16- Justin Patton (Creighton)
38- Tyler Lydon (Syracuse)
-Waive Rajon Rondo, Isaiah Canaan
-Dwyane Wade opts out
-Re-sign Dwyane Wade 1yr 20m
-Sign Chris Paul 3yr max (player option on 3rd)
-Sign Ben McLemore 2yr MLE
-Re-sign Nikola Mirotic 3yr 40m
-Sign Tiago Splitter 1yr minimum
PG: Paul, Grant, Payne
SG: Wade, McLemore, Valentine
SF: Butler, Zipser, Lydon
PF: Mirotic, Portis,
C: Lopez, Patton, Splitter.
21 Apr 2017 17:39:02
Don't see Wade declining his option to take another discount especially at this stage of his career. Additionally don't think Paul would want to go there on a short deal (he is getting up there age wise so he is going to want his 4 years or the 5 LA can offer) .
20 Apr 2017 14:02:37
NY: D Wade+ 1rnd pick 12 (F Ntilikina)
Detroit: J Noah+ 1rnd pick 7 (draft Smith)+ 1rnd pick Chi (draft H Giles)
Chicago: R Jackson+ O'Quin
20 Apr 2017 15:44:10
I think we're going to have to wait another round or so before we see what the Bulls will wind up doing. I don't see them giving up Wade to bring in Jackson at this point, let alone adding a pick into the mix. I can see them moving Wade to a place like NY if he wants it, but they'll be getting a better return than that. I also think Detroit would need more than two picks to take on Noah's contract.
20 Apr 2017 10:34:59
Indy: A Wiggins+ Pekovic
Bulls: Z LaVine+Aldrich+ C Dunn+ 1rnd pick Wolves 2017
Wolves: P George+ J Butler
20 Apr 2017 11:21:20
And the Wolves now have no bench and no cap space.
20 Apr 2017 11:50:26
Carl006 they have 2 superstars and your complaining about cap space?!
20 Apr 2017 13:23:15
Don't see Minny being able to pull off two Superstars in one deal, but value wise it's pretty good.
20 Apr 2017 13:46:58
Does this team need a bench?
SF: P George
SG: J Butler
Shabazzz can be a scorer from the bench
J Hill and Bjelica can rebound when KAT 's on the bench
So this team only need a back up for Rubio.
20 Apr 2017 14:00:37
Agree value-wise this could work.
20 Apr 2017 16:08:54
It actually is just crazy enough to work, but I just don't see it. I think Indy might need a little bit more for George, but they could lose him for nothing after next year and he doesn't seem happy, so it might be worth it to them.
As far as depth is concerned, even in Minny, you'll be able to get aging vets to come in and play on that kind of roster. It would be really interesting.
20 Apr 2017 17:47:40
It really doesn't have to be a three team deal, this is more like two separate deals merged into one. So that logic can be explained.
Overall, it's possible. Minny would have to be able to sign a few decent cheap free agents, but if they can offer playing with George, Butler, and KAT, I think they could get some vets on min deals.
18 Apr 2017 14:24:53
Bucks trade Jabari and Henson
Get Bradley and Crowder
Bulls trade Butler
Get Jabari and Henson plus Brooklyns #1 next year from celtics
Celtics trade Bradley, Crowder, Nets 2018 1st
Just need a power forward or play small ball.
Bulls tank and rebuild around Parker, nets pick and their future pics.
18 Apr 2017 15:29:40
Forget the trade Snell starts over Bradley?????
18 Apr 2017 16:25:11
Jabari is the point. What's his value? Is this fair?
I'm a bucks fan, so getting Crowder (Marquette) and Bradley plus getting out of Henson would be ideal.
I don't know where Jabari fits. Maybe after the knee injuries he is best as the Bucks 6th man in limited minutes for his career.
18 Apr 2017 20:30:32
Trade Jabari Parker to the Lakers for Brandon Ingram. Salaries match, and both have knee problems. Ingram will never be the "go-to-guy" for L. A. Parker can be. Trade Henson to the Suns for Knight. Again, salaries match. Phoenix gets their rim protector and the Bucks get back a PG/ SG Combo player in Knight. Trade Vaughn to anyone, along with Teletovic, and Terry! Move Middleton back to SG, Then "Thon, Giannis A. Ingram, Middleton and Brogdan start. With Monroe, Hawes, Beasley, Snell and Delladova second unit.
18 Apr 2017 12:52:30
To Chi - Zinger, Melo, 2017 1st
To NYK - Butler, Rondo, 2017 1st
If the Knicks are going to get real value for Melo, they're going to have to attach something big to it. Losing Zinger and the 7th pick is tough, but getting back a younger star and the 16th pick helps. Rondo is added to give the Knicks a short term answer at the point, and to keep the salaries in line.
18 Apr 2017 18:57:20
You're not getting value out of Melo. You're trading a top 5 young player in the game. Something like the 2017 pick, Porzingas, and Noah seems more even.
18 Apr 2017 19:13:38
Why trade Melo if you're going to land an all star at their peak. Melo and butler would probably work well together. Either trade Melo and keep your picks and young assets. Or trade youth to get experienced players. Trading Melo and the top 5 pick makes no sense to me.
18 Apr 2017 07:15:10
Alright this is wild theory crafting, but let me get your opinion on this. Melo's trade value has diminished greatly because it is no secret that he is being shopped. Therefore, this may be the best output the knicks will get.
Bulls Trade: Jimmy Butler, Denzel Valentine, and the Kings 2017 first round pick
Bulls Receive: Carmelo Anthony and the Nets 2017 first round pick
Celtics Trade: Avery Bradley, Jaylen Brown, and the Nets 2017 first round pick
Celtics Receive: Jimmy Butler and the Kings 2017 first round pick
Knicks Trade: Carmelo Anthony
Knicks Receive: Jaylen Brown, Denzel Valentine, and Avery Bradley
The Bulls do it for the chance at one of the point guards in the draft (Markelle Fukltz PLEASE) while also not dragging around Butler for a low seeded playoff appearance. Plus, Melo would fit into Hoiberg's offense nicely.
The celtics do it because Jimmy Butler is a HUGE upgrade to Avery Bradley on the wing while also being a superstar version of Brown. Butler also fits the celtics style of guard-centric play very well. They also get a Kings pick in return for Brown because he is valued a lot in Boston.
The Knicks do it because they can build around Bradly, Brown, Porzingis, and Hernangomez while also letting Melo go to a big market city. Again, this might be the best return for the Knicks altogether.
18 Apr 2017 07:35:15
I've been playing too much 2k. Swap the kings pick with the Bulls pick. Did not notice we did not have it.
18 Apr 2017 12:43:13
It's decent, but the C's may have an issue with giving up both Brown and the Nets pick in the same deal that doesn't bring them back two players.
18 Apr 2017 18:27:41
Take Brown out and give them a second rd.
19 Apr 2017 02:05:24
Billj, I don't think you would even need the 2nd. Bradley for Anthony would be best case scenario for the Knicks. More and more it's looking like the Knicks will get an expiring contract and a pick out of him. Even if someone offered more than one pick Melo could dictate the terms of the trade and a pick would be better than just waiting out his contract. I'm sure he wouldn't mind sticking to Jackson and helping his future team.
16 Apr 2017 18:13:18
Pacers get Melo Wade Ndour-cut
Knicks get Rondo Young Ellis Jefferson
Bulls get Noah Teague (S&T) Pacers Giles-17
16 Apr 2017 18:49:32
Bulls can get rid of Rondo, and Wade can walk. They can sign Teague if those two things happen, so why make this deal and take back a boat anchor contract just to get the 17th pick?
This is also terrible for the Knicks. If they're looking to get younger and rebuild, adding four veterans makes no sense. Also, they have said they need to get better on defense, all four of these guys are below average defenders.
17 Apr 2017 07:19:57
Wade not walking from 23mil.
17 Apr 2017 18:03:28
If the Bulls don't make it out of the 1st rd. I could see Wade leaving and going back to South Beach where he was comfortable. Or heading to the Cav's where his man crush is.
14 Apr 2017 01:40:20
Bulls sign Jeff teaue trade rondo to Lakers for Jordan Clarkson Sg
If wade walks
Sign rudy gay plays pf
Kyle korver cj miles bench
Let mitotic walk.
14 Apr 2017 05:14:01
Wade is going to opt in because he won't be paid nearly as much in free agency, Rondo has a team option and no one is taking him on in a trade, and the Lakers aren't giving up Clarkson for a malcontent has been.
14 Apr 2017 05:15:14
Lakers say no.
14 Apr 2017 07:26:44
Ya, I don't think Rondo is completely untradeable since he can be viewed as a salary dump especially with his contract not fully guaranteed. However, I think Clarkson is worth more than just a salary dump.
I agree with rkenne_16 Wade is likely to opt in unless he is fine taking a considerable salary cut to join a contender. I don't think any team gives him the money he is getting now and even a salary in the 15-20 mill range I can't think of any natural fit. Only good teams would consider adding a guy Wades age at his price except most of them don't have the salary space to do so. And I don't think he is the difference maker he was any longer so I can't imagine a bad team ponying up that much money hoping he changes their fortunes.
14 Apr 2017 13:36:23
Yeah, I was thinking Rondo had a team option, but it's just a non guaranteed contract. They could move him to help somone else dump cap. I think they would be looking at a protected pick and an aging player on bad contract though not a young player who has value.
13 Apr 2017 16:42:50
The Heat get Jimmy Butler and Shumpert
The Bucks get Dragic
The Bulls get Mcroberts (waive), Winslow, Maker, Richardson, and a 1st from the Bucks and Heat.
The Cavs get Henson
Miami waives Bosh and goes after Chris Paul.
13 Apr 2017 17:02:14
Not a freaking chance are the bucks trading maker for dragic, let alone their first too. Do your research.
13 Apr 2017 17:49:58
A midlevel first round pick, a player with a ton of potential but isn't any where near making an impact, and a marginal role player seems pretty cheap for a borderline allstar. Dragic could help the Bucks break into the top teams in the East.
14 Apr 2017 02:07:54
Isn't anywhere near making an impact? It's obvious you have not watched a single buck game.
14 Apr 2017 05:20:43
Maker averaged 4.1 points and 1.7 boards in March for a team who was missing their starting PF.
14 Apr 2017 07:41:20
The biggest issue I see with this trade is Bulls giving up Butler for that. The value in that return is distributed among too many players to have a significant impact. If I'm dealing a star I'd prefer to have one clear gem in my return.
Although that price I think is fair for Dragic who has played very well the 2nd half of this year I don't think he is a particularly great fit with the Bucks from an age, role and fit point of view. Although he can play off the ball w/ Giannis, I don't think he is at his best in that role.
14 Apr 2017 12:30:37
Victory goes to rkenne_16.
14 Apr 2017 13:30:37
I agree that the package isn't ideal jaw457, but there seems to be more sellers than buyers right now. The Celtics are dragging their feet, the Lakers are looking at George, the Twolves core is still to young to gamble one of their top players for Butler, and the rest of the league is either rebuilding or doesn't have much of value outside of their core players. I think the Cousins trade was a sign of how few buyers are out there. Unless Boston makes a big offer I don't see a lot great of options for the Bulls.
I also agree that Dragic isn't a great fit, but the Bucks aren't going to have much luck getting free agents. In the current market everyone is over paying and Milwaukee isn't much of a draw. Age is probably the biggest draw back, but Dragic hasn't shown any signs of slowing down, he can play both guard spots, he's a solid shooter which is needed around Giannis, if things don't work out he probably won't lose much value on the open market, the team is already pretty good even with terrible injury luck, and they showed they want a pg last offseason by giving Delly a huge contract.
That was my thinking behind everything.
14 Apr 2017 20:42:28
Bucks have Brogdan, who they drafted as a SG, But has been playing better as a PG. He moved Delladedova to the 2nd string bench. They have also just signed Gary Payton ll as an additional PG. They don't need an aging Dragic! Send Henson (PF) to Phoenix for Knight (PG/ SG) Send Vaughn to the D-League. Maker isn't going anywhere. Milwaukee should consider trading J. Parker. I would try and send him to the L. A. Lakers, for B. Ingram! The Lakers need a "go-to-guy" which Parker is when healthy, Ingram is not going to be that guy. Both have had knee issues, and as of this date, both salaries match. Throw Vaughn or Terry or Teletovic in with the deal? Maker, at C. Giannis A. at PF, Ingram at SF, Move Middleton back to SG, and M Brogdan at PG.
11 Apr 2017 23:03:27
If wade leaves bulls should use his money to build around jimmy shooters and they drop rondo
Patty mills 2 years 22m
Otto porter Jr
Trade Lopez to the blazers for draft pick Noah vonleh
Let mirotic walk sign kyle korver 2 years 16m.
12 Apr 2017 01:23:08
Blazers have found their Center in Nurkic, they would have no interest in Lopez.
12 Apr 2017 04:45:37
Not a fan of those moves since the Trailblazers can't even do that trade for salary reasons (they already have so much cash tied up) and I think Wizards match any offer for Otto Porter.
I ultimately think Bulls best bet would be to deal Butler and hit the hard reset since they don't have too much promising young talent at the moment and they as far as I know have all their future picks so they'd be able to get the full benefit of tanking a few years. I think this offseason is when they can get the most value for Butler and as arguably the best available talent they should get plenty of offers (George may be better but his contract situation makes him less attractive especially with rumors of him wanting to go to LA circulating) .
07 Apr 2017 23:54:55
Bulls trade wade to cavs for iman shumpert and Jr smith wade can play with lebron.
07 Apr 2017 02:48:58
Cavs get Cp3 Wade Melo Noah 58th
Bulls get JrSmith Shumpert Frye
Clippers get Irving
Knicks get Love Rondo
07 Apr 2017 05:36:07
I don't think these moves make Cavs any better while significantly shortening their championship window. Keeping Irving who is only 25 would be a smart move for Cavs in preparation for when Lebron starts to decline.
07 Apr 2017 07:14:21
Cavs with full of old injury prone players cannot win a championship.
07 Apr 2017 11:41:39
If Cavs don't make it to finals, Lebron ego might make this happen.
07 Apr 2017 11:44:34
Love has had more year ending or longwr term injuries, than anybody they are getting back.
07 Apr 2017 11:53:31
If they win CP3 and Wade come off the book. 2 other stars join them years after. Stars are lined up to win and join forces with Lebron. Celtics backcourt Thomas and Bradley with Melo Lebron Thompson. Melo comes off the book a 2020. So can load up salary on the back of contract.
07 Apr 2017 18:30:34
shizzee, your trades are awful and you are a terrible knicks fan. no chance knicks get that return. They won't get love straight up for melo. But on top, you think they off noah's contract for rondos what, 3 mill buy out? Just stop. its embarassing.
07 Apr 2017 20:19:56
31 Mar 2017 18:38:48
Boston trades: Bradley, Brown, Rozier, Brk 2018 1st
Trades: Okafor, Anderson, '17 2nd round pick
Receive: Okafor, Brown, Anderson, Rozier, 2018 Brk 1st
2017 Draft: Bridges
2018 Draft: Porter/Ayton/Knox
31 Mar 2017 22:46:41
I think philly needs to give more to get Bradley. But as a sixer fan, Ill drive okafor and anderson to the airport to make this trade.
01 Apr 2017 02:51:00
If I'm Chicago I'd want more from Philly or just not make them part of the trade. Prettt solid return for Chicago and I think it's the right move for them to deal Butler.
01 Apr 2017 14:36:31
Boston is not trading a starter, two other rotation players and next year's Brooklyn pick for Butler. Best you'd get out of Ainge is the 2018 pick and Bradley. Brown is not going anywhere.
30 Mar 2017 23:40:44
Thunder get Jimmy Butler
Bulls get Victor Oladipo, Enes Kanter, 2017 1st rd pick