21 Mar 2015 01:56:42
76ers / Spurs
76ers trade Lakers #1 next year(more valuable in 2017, only 1-3 protected), OKC;s #1 and Covington to spurs for Kawhi Leonard.
Nerlens Noel(23pts/14rb/3 blks/5 stls vs knicks tonight) is playing like a beast!! Noel and Embiid will be something special for years to come. Hinkie, PLEASE don't mess with this frontcourt. if possible, Sixers draft DeAngelo Russell. The more expert analysis I read, Russell looks like the guy for philly. I think only Miami;s #1(11-16)will come into play this year. That means a possibility of 2 number ones next year(OKC's and our own). Draft Grant or Kaminsky with Miami's pick. Find a way to get Dario Saric over here, #1 NBA prospect in entire European league. Leonard would be the rising star on a team full of young studs.
Spurs do it to gain a top(4-8)pick in nexts years lottery, another #1with OKC;s pick, and add a quality young scorer like Covington. Possibly 3 valuable pieces to the rebuild once Duncan and Ginobili call it a career. I know 2 number ones sounds like a lot to give for leonard, but even hinkie said "you can't hit on all your picks". Leonard is only 23 and is an awesome 2-way, high-energy wing.
I think this is fair value and makes sense for both teams.
Comments?
21 Mar 2015 07:26:39
Sixers say no. I really don't think he would be a good fit in philly. And in this trade the sixers r giving up too much. I think its better to just have mcrae and covington to play small forward.
21 Mar 2015 13:01:15
gosixers26. what makes you think leonard wouldn't be a good fit in philly? he fills a position of need, he's young, he scores and defends, has an NBA championship mvp award, and was brought up in the same system s brett brown. I couldn't think of a BETTER fit. Were's the downside?
21 Mar 2015 13:44:31
The Spurs say know. Leonard is proven and basically untradable. Especially for a couple picks. That's the difference between the Spurs and sixers. They don't gamble. Thus they win. Noel is doing great. Against the Knicks and with NO ONE ELSE on the team. Embiid hasn't done a thing. More I hear about him, more I think he's going to be a waste of potential. Lazy. Injury prone. Cares more about fame than winning. I think at some point the sixers will need to have an environment where free agents want to come. Until then, they won't win. Heinke wants full credit for building the team through the draft but has done nothing to prove he will do that except have a few project prospects and trade away the rookie of the year. Sadly, sixers will likely be awful for a couple more years and then move on without heinke.
21 Mar 2015 14:16:36
Jvoug. While I definately see the interest in Leonard it's giving up a ton to get a guy who's going to be making a ton next year. I just don't know if he's a star player. I do see why the Spurs would do it. They need to restock the team due to age. Duncan and parker can play for a few more years maybe. But three more?? Seems like a stretch. This would give them assets to rebuild ASAP.
21 Mar 2015 14:18:47
Actually stretch what I said earlier. I thought the Sixers where including their own pick this year. If it's only the lakers pick okc pick and covington then I'd definately do that. Fills a hole we need and still let's us draft a Russell or mudiay. Hopefully.
21 Mar 2015 14:43:12
He's a good fit. I think you're completely over paying.
I looked at his stats. He's really a 13ppg and 6rpg player. He boosted his scoring by shooting more, and reducing his field goal efficiency from 52% to 46%.
The Lakers pick could be the #1 pick in the draft. I don't trade that unless I'm getting a real game changing stud. I mean someone that you know for certain is getting you 20 every night. I want the guy Leonard is trying to stop.
21 Mar 2015 15:49:42
phillyrich1. It is IMPOSSIBLE for the Lakers pick to be #1 overall next year, it is 1-3 protected. Best case scenario is between #4-8. And everybody boosts their scoring by shooting more, really? He's 23, a lockdown defender, a scoring wing that we need, an NBA champion MVP, and essentially we would be getting him for MCW(the laker pick), eating one year of javale McGee contract(the OKC pick), and a nice role player in Covington. I do it in a second.
21 Mar 2015 17:48:01
No point for sixers to make this trade
21 Mar 2015 21:01:01
No point for sixers to get players in which they can win. And he averaged those stats with Duncan. Manu. Parker. Yes it's less than say mcw. But then again sixers fans are used to bloated stats due to no good teammates. Ergo they think they have the best players in the league yet somehow the worst record in the league. Mmmmk
22 Mar 2015 03:51:59
Actually have to agree with part of "personal pans" post. Leonard is someone philly could win with. A proven winner and would bring great young leadership to the sixers. Don't think it actually would ever happen, but if it does philly lands a great piece to the rebuild.
22 Mar 2015 12:10:21
jvoug: I completely understand that this year the Lakers pick is top 5 protected and that next year its top 3 protected. But after that its UNPROTECTED. (In my above post I never referenced next year. I was looking an additional year down the road.)
The Lakers very easily could be in the top 3 next year, leaving the Sixers with a rare unprotected pick from a bad team. With Kobe on the way out and breaking down, its not a crazy idea that the Sixers get a shot at the first pick in the summer of 2017.
As for Leonard, I think he's a good player. I just think you're offering too much. To me he's the last piece of the puzzle. But the Sixers don't yet know what pieces they have.
I say we shake hands and go our separate ways. I like your guy. I just am not ready for the price tag you're suggesting.
22 Mar 2015 14:44:57
I think a fair trade makes both teams think hard, and measure the pros and cons. This is a fair trade IMO. can't wait to see the sixers next year with a healthy embiid and noel upfront. should be a fun year!
22 Mar 2015 15:56:00
Jvoug: Agreed. They have the toughest pieces in place- the bigs- (assuming Embiid is healthy, and awesome).
They also have a what I think will be a deep bench in place and at reasonable cap numbers.
If they get two of the PG, SG or SF in this draft, they'll be ready to go.
And don't forget that Saric is stashed overseas and they have the Lakers pick in the bank, maybe the OKC pick in the bank and cap space.
Just think of where they were two years ago: a young talent at PG, average talent after that, no cap space, no picks, middle of the pack.