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26 Aug 2015 17:16:30
Here you go Philly fans. These are honestly the only offers I'd entertain, and to be honest, depending how the Lakers play/develop this year, I still think I prefer to keep Clarkson, Russell, & Randle together.

PHI: Clarkson & '16 2nd rd pick

LAL: Covington & '16 LAL own 1st rd pick back

or

PHI: Clarkson

LAL: Noel

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26 Aug 2015 18:29:26
Lol, Clarkson for Noel. What a homer.

26 Aug 2015 19:25:24
Noel averaged 9.9 points & 8.1 rebounds on that team. Clarkson would average 18pts 5rebs & 5asts an that same team.

26 Aug 2015 19:32:37
No from Sixers. lakers fans have got to give clarkson time to prove his actual value. Outside of la no one cared much about clarkson a number. I personally like his game and think there's more there but I highly doubt you can give him nerlens Noel type hype. He's just a second rounders who's played above his expected level on a bad team with zero weapons. Next year however, if he still plays at this amazing level with Kobe russle randle and hibbert with him then Thai value maybe warranted. But not until that happens.

26 Aug 2015 20:39:09
Noel is better than clarkson

27 Aug 2015 05:22:12
Tregib Noel played on a team with no weapons. It was anyone who scores. Clarkson played with Lin boozer and young and Ellington. Just because he's a second rounder doesn't mean he's automatically a bad player.

27 Aug 2015 13:53:26
Once again the Laker homers prove my point. There are two people in this country that could honestly argue Clarkson for Noel.

Noel for Clarkson is laughable, absolutely laughable. That's a joke, right? And King doesn't disappoint, throwing out his usual disjointed "straw man" argument that because Clarkson was a 2nd rounder somehow others would automatically see him as a bad player- a point which nobody has ever, ever made or even thought.

Overall, I'd say the Sixers say no to these serious and profound offers for Noel and/or Covington since they want to keep their young core together and let them grow.

27 Aug 2015 14:51:33
Philly if you actually looked at what Tregib said he said that clarkson was just a second rounder who played above his expected level. Clarkson was a mid first pick mid season in college till his dad died and his number slipped causing teams to not take him not knowing if he'd struggle. Funny how you said I never read your post when you didn't read my on Tregibs clearly.

27 Aug 2015 14:52:27
You mock me for "bashing" on the sixers so you bash on me. What a real man you are. Childish act tough all you want

27 Aug 2015 15:27:38
Philly = bust city.
Noel, bust. Embiid, bust. The only viable draft pick who contributed was MCW and they traded him away.

27 Aug 2015 15:32:58
Don't get caught up in their draft position. Answer me this:

Would Clarkson have averaged at least 15 ppg, 5 rpg & 5 apg on the 76ers last season? A team that was near the bottom in points per 100 possessions. A team that Noel was on and only managed 9.9 ppg & 8.1 rpg with no other relevant PF or center on the team?

Look if you tell me you value a defensive big man over a young athletic guard who can score, I can at least respect that. But to sit here and say Clarkson for Noel is a joke is just not true. Noel is extremely limited offensively.

I wouldn't push for either of these trades, but these would be the oy ones I'd say they have to consider if they trade Clarkson to Philly.

27 Aug 2015 16:02:57
The king.

To the post about clarkson playing with weapons. I have to disagree. Lins been overrated since he left ny. Boozer is way past his prime and ellingtons and unknown. Young we talked about before. Bad shot taker and all. Talent wise is think they were on similar teams.

Clarkson is a point guard so naturally scoring is much easier for guards then centers as they get to touch the ball every play. However, Noel was never going to be a offensive superstar from day one. He is however one of the best help defensive bigs in the league already and he has proven that. He led all big in steals and was top ten in blocks in his rookie year. Clarkson a number were pedestrian in almost every department.

That being said I like clarkson still. He pass the "eye test" as some people say. He's really athletic and can dribble well for his height. Shot looks decent at this point as well. I think lakers should hold onto him and see if he can play with russel. If he can't at least hope he puts up some Nice numbers and trade him later. I think he has to prove he's not the 46th pick In a draft. That takes more then one season to prove. Lakers should be happy they have him but can't expect the league to take notice of him yet.

28 Aug 2015 00:07:12
But Noel needs to add a lot of strength if he plays center or power goon on forward. Lin boozer Ellington young play no defense there and only provide offense. Wroten was hurt for most of the year. Sims was the backup center. Cannan and smith were your point guards Covington and Thompson shot threes. Grant and Sampson not great shooting numbers. Noel only averaged 10 points for a team that let's anyone score the ball. Your going to tell me that Lin young boozer and Ellington would not shoot the ball more than sims cannan smith Covington or anyone on the team. Your answer should be no. Noel on the lakers would probably only get his points off rebounds. Clarkson was able to play good for a poor defensive team and more offensive oriented team. Like laker said if clarkson was on that team he could average 16 5 and 5 from day one. I agree with what you said the lakers will do with clarkson and see how him and Russell will do though I think there games complement each other well

28 Aug 2015 01:11:38
Can't. Stop. Laughing. At Newlakerdynasty.

You're such a homer you don't even recognize it in yourself. Its amazing.

Would Clarkson have averaged 15ppg 5rb and 5assist for the Sixers, you ask? I don't know. But what I do know it that he didn't average 15ppg 5/5 for the Lakers. He averaged 11.9/3.5/3.2

You guys have inflated your hometown players so much in your own heads that you don't even know what the facts are anymore.

And even if he did average what you think, I still wouldn't trade for him. I want to keep my young guys together and watch them grow.

28 Aug 2015 14:51:18
Philly I find it funny how clarkson when starting averaged 15 5 and 5. If he averaged 25 minutes on the sixers like he did which make his stats go down he could get 15 5 and 5 on them. If he played 30 minutes plus like he did after the all star break he could get the sixers 18 6 and 6. So your facts are wrong

28 Aug 2015 15:23:11
Phillyrich here are the facts since you don't know what you're talking about.

As a starter for the Lakers (started last 38 games), he averaged 15.8 ppg 5 apg 4.2 rpg 1.1 spg and shot 45.8%. He would have averaged that for the season for Philly no problem playing on a worse team that cannot score and in the East playing against bad quality teams more often.

I get his overall season stats are lower, but you can't just look at numbers to get the whole story. His role changed the 2nd half of the season.

Again, Noel averaging 10 points 8 rebounds in a team that could not score and was begging for offense. He's a good defender, one of the better ones in his first season. Clarkson as a starter for the Lakers put up numbers comparable to Lowry in his first season. Tell me what I inflated?

28 Aug 2015 16:37:19
the king.

Noel average 13 and 10 post all star break. He did it without the ball hogging of mcw. Yes mcw put up that exact stat line you predict clarkson would average. And the Sixers traded him because his usage was too high for the production. Noel didn't thrive with him during that time. It was only after he left Noel number improved. 13 people and 10 rebounds for a great defensive player show how much value he has. That's better then most of the center in the league right now. Will that translate to pf I'm not sure yet. But I do know most of his points were hustle points, alley oops, and rebounded dunks post allstar break. Those are easily translateable onto any team in the league.

My point being that Noel's value is much higher then clarksons. Noel has lived up to his high hype. Clarkson had zero hype and played well. Both guys have a long way to go to be at their primes. Well just have to wait and see who ends up higher but right now. No one in this league is trading Noel for clarkson.

28 Aug 2015 19:44:14
"Would Clarkson have averaged at least 15 ppg, 5 rpg & 5 apg on the 76ers last season?"

There are no qualifiers in this statement. There is no indication that the intent of that statement was to qualify stats for Clarkson as a starter. That statement can clearly be read as a full season stat without qualification as a starter. Once again, you guys are twisting your own facts or at the very least miscommunicating. Only you guys would feel it appropriate to use partial stats without communicating your intent to do so, and compare to someone else's full stats, then mock the person who pointed this out when you are in the wrong.

What you should have responded was:

"Hey Phillyrich, you're right. What we meant to say was "as a starter" he averaged 15.8/5/4.2. We recognize that he was more comfortable as a player and progressed as the season went on like many rookies do. We also see the same progression for Noel, who was allowed to be more involved in the offense after MCW was traded and averaged upwards of 14ppg, 11rb, 2blocks and 2assista per game in March before getting banged up and shut down. Damn Phillyrich, Noel was better towards the end of the year than we thought. Thanks for making us look up his stats the way we looked up Clarkson's stats and compare them apples to apples. You're the man, Phillyrich."

But instead, you compared full season stats for Noel and partial season stats for Clarkson. That's an unfair comparison since we all know many rookies progress as the season goes on. That's the case for Noel as well as Clarkson. All you had to do was qualify your statement and/or recognize that Noel also improved as the season went on.

Just take a look at your past comments. You both say I have no idea what I"m saying, that my stats are wrong, and that I don't know the facts. But you both make sure to note "as a starter" in those new comments when you did not previously. This is on you, fellas.

28 Aug 2015 20:15:17
And you see, look at what TreGib posted. Once he saw that you meant Clarkson's stats as a starter, he then looked at how Noel improved post all star break.

As you can see, when clarified, it makes for a better conversation. A more rational and reasonable conversation. Isn't that the goal?

28 Aug 2015 20:26:21
It's a hypothetical question that you have chosen not to address still. It doesn't need qualifiers. The assumption (to hypothetically compare the 2 players) is that if Clarkson averaged the same number of minutes per game on the same team Noel was on. With that being clear now, answer the question Phillyrich. Do you concur, looking back now on what Clarkson did as a starter for half of the season on a team with a few more wins than the 76ers, that he would have averaged 15/5/5 on the 76ers last season? If not why and what would you think his numbers would have been?

I never said those were his stats with the lakers, his actual per game stats as a starter are a little different (15.8/4.2/5 which I stated after my original question I posed to you). These are just round numbers I selected that I think he would have easily achieved on the 76ers. I'm picking out his per game stats as a starter to compare apples to apples to Noel since he was a starter all season. If you compare the 2 for the entire season, Noel averaged 6 more minutes per game. How is that comparing apples to apples?

Again, Noel as a starter averaged 9.9 ppg & 8.1 rpg on a team that lacked offense and another inside post presence. Let's see who has the better season this year. I'm predicting that Noel's stats will suffer due to the presence of Okafor.

28 Aug 2015 23:45:59
Philly Noel averaged 14 11 in March with 47 percent field goal shooting 65 percent from free throw in a weak east with little good centers. In April he averaged 9 and 8 in four games. Clarkson in March averaged 15 5 and 5 against a strong Wild West with elite guards like curry Westbrook Paul Parker lillard Conley and so on. In April clarkson averaged 18 7 and 5 shooting 35 from the three and 47 from the field goal. You see why the hype is there.

29 Aug 2015 13:01:54
Hard to tell if he would have averaged those numbers through the year. His role might have ping-ponged back and forth. MCW was hurt at the start of the year, he came back, he got traded. Wroten got the ball a lot but then he got hurt. I'd suspect that the last couple of months when both MCW and Wroten were out of uniform Clarkson would have gotten those numbers. After the Sixers traded for Cannan he was kind of close to that production and he's not really an NBA player in my opinion.

King, I noted Noel was banged up in April. Just look at his stats. I clearly excluded those numbers from my review of his improved production. In March his numbers were very strong and almost half those games were against the West. No, I'm not going to do a game by game analysis.

Not sure how Okafor and Noel will blend. Noel's productivity might actually improve since Okafor is a good passer and will demand a double team in the post. Noel might get a bunch of easy buckets as the ball swings to the weak side.

By the way, just by noting that there aren't that many strong Centers in the east is the reason why the Sixers would want studs up front. It gives them an unmatched strength. Now they have to fill the other slots- but not by trading from their strength. They will fill with draft and maybe FA, although there really aren't any top top tier FA next year except for Durant. He will not be a Sixer.

01 Sep 2015 17:36:45
New laker dynasty.

And truthfully both player stats should suffer given the addition of talent around my them. My prediction for clarkson is 10 ppg 5 assists and probably 4 rebounds. Russel is solid but demands the ball and of course Kobes going to want the ball. Then you have Randel who can play. Jibber the probably won't be much more then defense and rebounding should be better this year. I just don't see how clarkson can put up those numbers again. Maybe ever.

Noel is a wild card. Most of his points were hustle points and put backs. Hustle points should stay pretty common. And rebounds all depend on chemistry and how teams cover okafor. If they cover him with Noel's guy offensive rebounds will be up for grabs for Noel and he's proven he can snag offensive rebounds. Actually. Thinking it through I think Noel's stats should go up for sure. I think 13 and 9 should be the norm.





 

 

 
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