14 Sep 2015 00:45:28
76ers / Twolves
Sixers get: Muhammad, Bennett
Wolves get: Covington, Canaan, OKC#1, Denver #2
14 Sep 2015 14:10:46
Too much for Bennett and Muhammad. Those guys are painfully average to below average.
14 Sep 2015 16:24:08
Muhammad is above average, the big knock is his lack of staying healthy. IF he can stay healthy, he can be a solid player. But seeing the recent dealings with Embiid, I fail to see the sixers taking a chance on yet another young players health
14 Sep 2015 18:41:23
Shabazz is easily the best player in the deal, and with his upside and ability to defend, he would push Covington to super-sixth man for the Sixers. He led the NBA in points per possession last year, and is a fearless scorer and gym rat. After losing 30 pounds last off-season, he was tremendous last year. I don't think he's an injury risk. He had a ligament tear in the middle finger of his non-shooting hand, and MIn probably shut him down to help the tank.
I don't know if MIN is considering trading Shabazz. He was the #1 high school prospect, then two wasted years, and last year he got serious about the NBA. He actually has star potential, but he may be worth more to some other team that has the minutes to invest, which could make him a trade target.
I don't think this particularly trade is a bad offer, but these are all lower-level assets, so I would expect MIN would pass, wait, and try to find minutes to see if Shabazz can continue to make the big strides he did last season. If anything, it would help people be more aware of how talented this kid is.
14 Sep 2015 20:37:19
Shrink.
If Muhammad is so good. Why didn't that Minnesota team win any games? I mean they out tanked the Sixers after all and they had wiggins and Levine playing well.
15 Sep 2015 00:43:10
The Sixers have to take chances on guys with big upsides but who currently are underperforming. Bennett was the #1 overall pick a few years ago and is only 22. Hinkie saw enough in h to pull the trigger on the holiday trade 2 years ago if bennet, Noel, or olidipo were available. Shabazz has a Ron of talent and was very highly recruited. I think, like shrink says, the offer is fair. Covington is a decent player. Canaan is serviceable, and a late first and early second will get you ok role players. Sixers role the dice, and hope Minn says yes
15 Sep 2015 13:42:42
TreGib, you can't honestly put the blame for the Wolves record squarely on Shabazz, right? The Wolves had near historic levels of injuries last year to the entire team. Last year's starters (and really, the only vets) were Rubio, Kevin Martin, Wiggins, Pekovic, and 4/5 missed significant parts of the season. The NBA gave them TWO injury exceptions (I'm not sure this has ever happened before!), to sign Players that couldn't get jobs in the NBA, so that they could dress eight players to even be able to have a team! The best story last year may have been for the Brooklyn game. The Wolves discovered a new injury in the morning, and needing to have eight active players according to NBA rules, gave a guy a 10-day contract simply because he lived close to the train, and could make it there by game time! Lol!
And the end of the season when they became worse than PHI was when Shabazz was out as well. I don't think you can say that since the Wolves lose so many games, it must mean Shabazz is bad.
15 Sep 2015 21:47:03
Shrink. so his middle finger tendon wasnt his fault and thus his missing more than half the games doesn't equate to a health risk. What happened the prior year, where he sprained his MCL and missed the final part of the year? The point is that he has missed significant play in the only 2 years he's been in the league. Solid potential? Definitely. Considered injury prone and a risk by a team that has been suffering with injuries for a couple years? ABSOLUTELY.
15 Sep 2015 21:48:51
Oh, and by the ways shrink. shabazz missed 16 games last year due to a strained oblique. came back for a couple weeks and then tore a finger ligament. always something wrong with him.
16 Sep 2015 14:45:35
Pizza, I don't believe simply having an injury automatically means you are going to have the injury again in the future - it requires a closer look.
For example, Shabazz' ligament tear to his middle finger is not the type of injury that has been likely to recur with other players before him. Getting an oblique strain does not mean more oblique strains are likely. I would be concerned with the sprained MCL, except that he had no further knee problems last year.
Compare that to a guy like Greg Oden. He had micro fracture surgery to fix a bad knee, and he was always likely to hurt HIS KNEE again. I don't see this impending future risk in the three unrelated issues Shabazz has had in two years.
16 Sep 2015 18:13:48
Shrink, perhaps you haven't realized this but there are three types of players. Durable. Injury death. And injury plagued. No one is saying he is injury death like Greg oden. But all signs definitely point to injury prone. 22 or so an already 3 significant chunks missed from unrelated injuries is not a positive sign. Especially for a team that are dealing with embiid.
I'm sure you'll eloquently explain how most people and history are incorrect on their evaluation of injuries because you disagree. But you're wrong.
16 Sep 2015 22:25:28
I don't know about eloquence, but I think you are making a logical leap when you believe any injury accurately predicts the future of other injuries. Some do, some don't. I worry about injuries to joints, and I worry about injuries to a specific area.
Btw, without speaking about Shabazz specifically, the evidence is with me here as well. The reason that people believe in the concept of blanket "injury prone" is because we tend to remember the exceptions, and don't base this on the entire population. Very few players will be injury free for an 82-game NBA season. Most pick up an injury or two every year, and they can last a random amount of games. However, we ignore the majority that suffer a couple injuries and are then fine, and notice the ones that don't, because missed games hurt.
Btw, this logical fallacy is the same reason that most people falsely put a lot of value of future second round picks. Three quarters of those guys will never make a meaningful contribution as more then bench filler, but we always remember the 1-2 (of 30) that become starters. You got to go with the evidence and history - not by the most visible examples.
17 Sep 2015 03:13:24
I re-read what I wrote this morning, and I forgot to put in a very important word.
When it comes to predicting future injuries, I worry about injuries to joints, and I worry about RECURRING injuries to a specific area.