14 Sep 2015 19:54:27
I'm convinced the Miami Heat are going to hold onto their salary fodder until closer to the Luxury Tax deadline. Why? They'll need it for the following trade:
Miami gets Carmelo Anthoney
Knicks get Deng, McRoberts, Chalmers, Anderson, J. Winslow
There could be draft considerations but I can't figure out which way they'd go.
Essentially the Knicks get a bunch of expiring contracts and Justise Winslow; the Heat get Carmelo and actually lower their Luxury Tax problem. After the season, the Knicks have more cap space since $20m of what they acquired will be gone and they'll still have Winslow to show for it.
Add or subtract from the pieces involved, but I still think this is why the Heat haven't dumped these guys yet.
14 Sep 2015 20:34:48
This would be smart for the Knicks for sure.
14 Sep 2015 21:10:17
I think the Heat have been very public about their desire to try to trade Chris Anderson and Mario Chalmers to get under the lux, but they have simply been unable to. The problem is that they only have one asset to get someone to take these bad deals, and they are very attached to Winslow.
However, I think your deal is very believable. If the Heat wait until the trade deadline, those contracts have only about a third of the debt left in them, and are then obviously easier to trade. I could definitely see Melo wanting out of NYK by mid-season, and I could also see Miami as one of only a couple places he'd agree to go. If MIA is going to be in the lux, Wade and Bosh would rather do it with Melo, where they have a chance of upsetting the Cavs.
14 Sep 2015 21:19:24
I agree. Move is actually beneficial, short-term and long-term, for both teams.
14 Sep 2015 21:40:45
I just looked. There's no way Miami can send a 1st rounder to the Knicks in this deal (if that's what's needed to make it work.) The Heat owe picks to the Sixers and then two 1st rounders to Phoenix.
I guess the Heat could give the Knicks the right to flip picks in the years that the Heat actually do have a 1st rounder.
14 Sep 2015 22:17:33
I definitely think the heat have not traded their pieces yet because they want real value for them. This is a definite possibility. I think Melo would be open to Miami as one of maybe three teams to get traded to. I think the value is pretty even as well. Riley is always trying to pull this kind of deal off, it's his style.
14 Sep 2015 23:13:58
Will depend on the standings. If they are let's say 2 or 3 seed and if an injury happens then I think they do it
14 Sep 2015 23:16:13
I hope you're right
14 Sep 2015 23:54:56
I don't see this happening. The Heat have no 1st rd picks to give ('16 to PHI, '18 to Suns, '21 to Suns) so they're essentially trading Melo for Winslow. I like Winslow, but I just don't see it. Cap space didn't do NYK any good this last summer, so how's more of it gong to help next summer when Lopez & Afflalo are you're only proven starters?
If the Knicks can acquire draft picks or additional solid players along with Winslow, (Deng is on the downhill side of being productive, and the other guys aren't much of a get to a bottom feeder team), then I can see them trying to get a deal like this done.
15 Sep 2015 13:06:57
NLD: I don't think FA want to go to NY and play with Carmelo. He's a ball hog that makes players around him worse. I think in Miami he'd defer to Wade, Bosh, etc.
If he's gone and the Knicks have a young core of Grant, Zinger and Winslow, that's a start. Their biggest problem is that they don't have a 1st rounder this year so even if they stink they can't get that next young piece this year. Then if they do attract FA, they might just be good enough the next year to not get a top draft pick.
If they did this, they'd either have to go ALL IN for FA and/or find a way to get back into this draft. They have real problems. They have an aging star that doesn't pass with a huge, long contract, very little talent around him, and no draft picks. They need to blow that up. This might be the worst set up of any NBA team.
15 Sep 2015 13:21:09
I agree that people tend to over-value Justice Winslow because of their familiarity with him in college. Remember, nine GM's passed on the guy in the NBA draft.
However, I still think this is a believable deal. Remember, this wouldn't be the first team that Melo demanded to leave, and also said, "get what you can, but I'm only going to 1-2 teams."
The original deal doesn't have any picks, and I could see a situation where picks were not included. If this was the final deal and NYK said that you still have to find more value, MIA has two ways to do it. First, they could absorb Calderon's bad contract, which would mean NYK had $22 mil more cap space next season (but MIA goes further into the lux), or MIA exchanges Whiteside for Deng, and signs Carlos Boozer.
Both are very painful upgrades for MIA, but the actual price is completely dependent on how tight a box Carmelo Anthony puts the Knicks in.
15 Sep 2015 16:08:30
Worry about your garbage sixers
15 Sep 2015 18:34:42
@Philly
I agree, the Knicks are in a tight spot, but I think they can get better value for Melo than simply Justice Winslow. He's an unproven rookie who could end up like a MKG in Charlotte, a solid role player. I like Winslow too and think he could have gone in the top 5 and hope he breaks out in the NBA, but we simply don't know yet.
Melo showed interest in Chicago & LA when he was a free agent, I think the Lakers & Bulls would be on his list as well as the Heat. I don't really want him on the Lakers personally, but they and Chicago could offer a lot more than Winslow.
The Bulls have the win now situation for Melo & better assets to offer the Knicks for him.
15 Sep 2015 21:40:21
I think its hysterical that people say players don't want to play with Melo. Go ask his best friends, aka Durant, in which all people say will be giving the knicks a legit shot at signing him. It's funny seeing the two teams that keep bashing melo. The lakers, who missed out on him, and the sixers, who have no one(as of yet) to sell a player on. Jackson made some SOLID progress in the team. Last years final line up versus this years:
Last year:
pg: Galloway
sg: Hardaway
sf: Lance Thomas
pf: Jason Smith
c: Cole Aldrich
This year
pg: Calderon
sg: Afflalo
sf: Melo
pf: OQuinn/Prozingas
C: Lopez.
Improved at every position. significantly.
16 Sep 2015 01:54:47
@Pizza
I'm the only Laker comment who mentioned Melo in my post. How'd I bash him?
Also, Melo & Calderon were on the team least year, Just injured. Phil didn't improve those positions, the players are back healthy. That's like saying Bird & Thunder's GM improved their starting SF positions because Paul George & Durant are back. The positions are improved but not because Phil did anything.
16 Sep 2015 02:21:24
We aren't trying to bash him. We're just saying he's selfish and just because he's friends with people doesn't mean he will be able to attract them he's to worried about individual stats. Calderon over Galloway is improved? 😂
16 Sep 2015 04:30:03
If his best friends want to play with Melo . Where are they? They didn't come to Denver. The Knicks had cap space this summer, and nobody demanded a trade to come play with Melo (despite the undeniable draw that NYC will always be!).
I'm with Philly here. I like your enthusiasm and I hope for your sake that the Knicks prove me wrong, but that is not a talented team.
16 Sep 2015 13:40:59
Lakers fans bash him on all the other posts. And I don't know if I said differently, but my point was their team now is much improved from end of last year thus they should win more. Much much more. Wasn't meaning to give Jackson credit, just saying all this talk of if they are as bad as last year. like him or not. Lopez is no Aldrich. Lance Thomas or Melo? It's just an entirely different team which people seem to ignore. This is why Knicks fans are excited! Galloway did ok. On an awful team. Mcw won rookie of the year and now can't find security in a role the next year. Bad teams generate bloated stats. Calderon is old. Past prime. Still a better floor general than Galloway
16 Sep 2015 13:51:37
I don't think anyone bashed Melo either. He needs to play with guys he respects. He's a different player with the top top players around him. Otherwise its fair to characterize him as a selfish player. That's why I sent him to Miami. I could see the same concept with him going to the Clippers, Houston, OKC, Chicago, or San Antonio.
16 Sep 2015 15:02:03
The only reason the roster at the end of the season looks so bad is because they trade shumpert smith and cut stoudimire. That's why it looks bad
16 Sep 2015 15:33:50
Seriously Shrink? In playing devils advocate and failing to actually pick a team you are a fan of, your argument is "no one came to Denver"? He hated denver, why in the world would anyone want to play there. The knicks aren't looking for people to demand trades and NO ONE said that. The knicks mutually cancelled with Aldridge, and besides the wishy-washy Jordan, who did they miss out on? Monroe? They got what they needed and wanted. There were no superstars that seemed like a fit, thus they wait. I know its unusual for the knicks to wait, but it was a wise move.
If you are looking for a team model similar to what the knicks are doing. Championship Mavericks team. "selfish star" in Dirk, aging floor general with reliable 3 pt range in kidd and a defensive/rebounding center in Chandler. Identical? No. But definitely in line with the model.
The only people that are consistently knocking the knicks moves(NO knicks fans are, and they are always the most critical) are sixers fans(who have nothing going for them except a ton of a picks and a couple unproven players with glaring deficiencies), lakers fans(need not go into their issues) and people who have no team, just like to play devil's advocate.
We get it, your teams are worse, your future is limited or relying entirely on draft picks and prospects you have no clue about.but speaking for most knicks fans. we are quite pleased. Melo doesn't speak out, thus rumors swirl. i'd love someone to point to something he said, not a source, or a source of a source. something HE said that has given any indication of his unhappiness. I really would love to read this.
16 Sep 2015 18:54:53
I'm sorry but I'm pretty sure in the past you predicted and maybe even guaranteed Monroe would be a Knick.
16 Sep 2015 18:55:36
And I agree with Shrink.
16 Sep 2015 23:13:41
I predicted, and was wrong. And if you agree with shrink that players not going to Denver to be in a turmoltuous situation that clearly Melo wanted to leave is indicitive of what potential success the knicks, Jackson and melo will have to acquire top free agents. well you are more off than I thought LOL.
Yes, I was wrong with Monroe going to the knicks. As were most. But really, that post was an absolute joke. It doesn't take a sports wizard to understand that the allure of Denver is nothing like NYC. Come on, stop just trying to disagree for disagreements sake.
16 Sep 2015 23:30:44
A similar model to the mavs? Dirk took less money and was a team player. Besides the NBA was different back then with the same team the (heat) made the finals 4 times in a row. Times are changing and if that team was here right now with the same age and everything they would not make it past the second round
17 Sep 2015 13:54:14
What are you taling about Pizza? For goodness sake, Bron attracted guys to Cleveland. CLEVELAND! C-L-E-V-E-L-A-N-D!!
Love could have gone just about anywhere. Where'd he go? C-L-E-V-E-L-A-N-D!!
Why? To win with Bron.
I agree with Shrink. I appreciate your enthusiasm. I'm not disagreeing to be disagreeable. You should step back a second and understand that not everyone loves NYC. If given a choice between the fresh air and Rocky Mountains and sports passion and playing with a stud in Denver vs. playing with a stud in NYC, its not hard to see the allure of Denver. Not hard at all.
17 Sep 2015 16:54:48
And just for the record, I've been to Cleveland many times and am a fan of the Browns. Those people need a Championship. Badly.
17 Sep 2015 23:37:46
Philly if your a Browns fan, do you want to fail for cardale? Give up on Johnny football?