20 Sep 2015 15:49:29
Coming into the 2014 draft if Noah vonleh was there at 7 I wanted him. But Randle was the pick and I'm fine with but I'm making a trade could benefit both teams
Lakers trade Randle 2016 second rounder future second
Blazers trade vonleh 2016 first rounder (top 5 protected)
Vonleh couldn't show much promise last year with his injuries but I like how he can play stretch four and his defense and his size to play small ball center
Randle was unfortunately injured last year but he's lost weight and got a lot quicker and has improved on all aspects of his game
Blazers take the chance on the potential of Randle who could become the number two option next to lilard.
Lakers take a chance on a all around promising player and get a future pick
Should the pick protection be higher?
20 Sep 2015 17:10:29
Should the pick be lottery protected and then top 5 protected In 2017 if it doesn't convey? Then if it doesn't convey in 2107 it's unprotected
20 Sep 2015 17:15:27
Well problem is Randel has fairly equal value to Noah as of right now. Randel has shown the league very little due to injury same as Noah.
Personally I LOVE Randel and I think he should have a great career but I got to be unbiased here.
No way would the Blazers give up a first for a second just to trade fairly equal players IN MOST PPLS MINDS.
20 Sep 2015 17:19:58
It just doesn't make any sense. Like none. At all.
So basically the blazers give up Vonleh, who was drafted 9, but obviously dealt with some injuries. A guy that can be a legit stretch 4 AND shows promise on defense.
They get Randle, a guy chosen 2 spots higher, and only played 14 minutes. A guy who is a mysery, except that he is undersized, slow and also very flawed on defense.
In order to do this swap, the Blazers give a very likely lottery pick and get a second rounder? It makes ZERO sense.
At best, I would say. Randle for Vonleh and a 2nd rounder, or MAYYYYBE a 1st rounder top 20 protected. Otherwise, this is just an absurd overvalue of randle and undervalue of Vonleh
20 Sep 2015 17:52:37
You may call Randle undersized even though he is 6'9. With his weight lost he is VERY QUICK. During the summer leauge his first step was very fast. Even if his defense isn't good his quickness helps him on some slow rotations.
20 Sep 2015 19:07:04
The only way this trade happens is if the pick is lottery protect, then turns into a second if it doesn't convey. Even then, I think I'd rather keep Vonleh, I think his ceiling is a lot higher than Randle.
20 Sep 2015 19:25:08
The king.
And Randel showed he can even dribble on the fast break. This guy might be great. He's got a lot of time and potential. I'd keep Randel if I was la.
20 Sep 2015 21:57:17
Ppl are more high on randle than vonleh. Ppl think randle can be an all star caliber player while others think vonleh can be an average player or bust
21 Sep 2015 01:10:56
1nba fan
Randle has should no one else that he can even play in the NBA. Remember the reason he dropped is because people think he too small for the powerforward spot and and too slow for the three. Yes his value is higher the Noah. But not nearly as big of a gap as it should be at the end of this season.
21 Sep 2015 02:12:11
In this day and age, size matters. Also, didn't randle have a small wingspan, making him even shorter? I don't believe people are expecting randle to be an all star and vonleh average at best. I also don't get if the dribbling on a fast break was a joke or not. I would hope he can dribble. Based on potential I'd prefer vonleh
21 Sep 2015 04:35:44
Randle and Vonleh have very similar value, and neither showed much last year because of injury. I don't think value wise, either team adds a first rounder to make a swap.
However, you have a bigger problem here. Since both were lottery picks on teams that went nowhere, the fans of both of these teams have placed a lot of hope in their own guy. Maybe the teams even marketed them. In any event, I think neither would swap, and both are "more valuable to us than you"-type of guys.
21 Sep 2015 12:41:33
Shrink, you do realize that vonleh was traded this offseason, right?
21 Sep 2015 14:33:58
In this day and age size matters? We're in small ball era and he could be considered a small ball center at some points. 6'9 power forward who is very fast good post player and high energy rebounder. Vonleh is 6'10 or 6'11 who can shoot but has to show it in the NBA, decent rebounder, decent defender. Blazers tried to get kantar to be their number two option in him but I think they could develop Randle into that.
21 Sep 2015 15:20:33
"theking" read up on Randle's issues. He is described as the build of a T-rex. Yes, he's 6'9. and yes, that mayyyyybe can be the height of a small ball era center. But heres the thing, his wingspan is freakishly small. He doesn't even have a 7'0 wingspan. Ergo, he's 6'9 and seems even shorter because of this.
You can NOT teach him to have longer arms, which is vital to defense. In a chart of ALL starting PFs wingspan, he is dead last.
I also have no clue how he is all of a sudden considered "very fast"
Vonleh is 6'10, with a 7'4 wingspan. If you don't believe me, read this article and you'll quickly realise why Randle dropped out of the top 5 and in many ways is NOT considered a lock to translate into the NBA.
http://goo.gl/l9AWBb
21 Sep 2015 15:21:14
Oh and more important on the defense. you even check out his basic defensive college stats? .5 steal, .8 blocks. that's AWFUL. that's .6 steals and 1.0 blocks per 40 minutes.
Compare that with Vonleh, 1.3 steals and 2.1 blocks per 40 minutes.
Randle will at best be a 1 way player in the NBA and that is ONLY if he is able to vastly improve his offensive game to counter his short arms.
21 Sep 2015 23:21:26
You reading into stats to much. Some good defensive players don't have the stats to back it up but if people like you only look at the stats and not watch the actuall games where they play defense. Randle has a good post game and can drive to the rim. He needs to finish the shot over the center since he can blow past people now. You shouldn't write off anyone just because they are to small or fat or to big.
22 Sep 2015 21:29:14
It isn't "stats" as opposed to physical limitations. Stop getting so sensitive, don't make fun of small or fat or big. its a sport. A sport that relies on the tallest/most athletic people possible. You are talking about a guy, who is 6'9, with a VERY limited wing span, VERY limited vertical abilities. perhaps quicker now, which makes him at best average speed seeing as he was super slow prior. He turns the ball over at an incredible rate.
Fact is this. his game will NOT translate as you hope it will. In college, you play teams that are using 6'8 centers, or 7'0 and limited abilities. Randle was good in college. But he can't play above the rim. He WONT be able to excel in the post because he will be over matched by the bigger, longer players.
He has yet to prove anything you have spoken of. His play in college did not indicate brand new abilities of being a driver and finishing as you say, "over the center since he can blow past people now" You sound ridiculous. Losing 10lbs does not turn him into Derrick Rose.
22 Sep 2015 23:36:26
You not even giving him a chance like you do to all lakers players before they play. This is like me knocking porzingas for being to lean and can't play in the post. You won't even give him a chance you just want to knock other teams players and try to defend your own team. His vertical is not a problem. You try to compare him to Derrick rose? They are nowhere near the same players or positions or height. Try get better at your comparisons