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29 Sep 2015 19:49:48
Steven A Smith said this morning he's hearing if Durant leaves OKC next summer, LA is his preferred destination. Also, Melo wants to play with him and/or Kobe if he doesn't retire.

Lakers sign KD to max contract (4 yrs $110M and whatever options he wants). Trade for Melo. Resign Kobe (2 yrs $20M), resign Hibbert ($15M per year)

NYK: J Clarkson (RFA next summer, not sure how that works), B Bass, N Young, and their next available 1st rd pick.

LAL: Melo

PG: Russell
SG: Kobe/Lou Williams
SF: Durant
PF: Melo/Randle
C: Hibbert/Upshaw

Agree4 Disagree16

29 Sep 2015 20:41:03
New York won't want to wait until minimum 2020 for that draft pick.

29 Sep 2015 20:42:04
Plus, that package isn't enough for Carmelo

29 Sep 2015 20:45:05
HaHa this is legit, the single worst melo trade that has been posted here. Ever.
A) knicks would laugh non stop at this.

B) Durant wants to go to LA, NY, DC, Thunder. no one knows.

C) Thinking Bryant may actually play elsewhere.

D) you do realize, even though the cap is higher, there still is a cap. You have 75million on just Kobe, Anthony, Durant and Hibbert. Randle and Russle each make like 5. Lou williams is 7. you're already over the cap and still need 5 more players.

This is absurd

29 Sep 2015 21:07:36
Not enough for melo.

29 Sep 2015 22:06:26
My bad, I guess I just don't value Melo the same as you guys.

Forget him then.

PG: Russell/Clarkson
SG: Kobe/Williams
SF: Durant/
PF: Randle/Bass
C: Hibbert/Upshaw

29 Sep 2015 22:16:55
Riiiiight, NLD. there's a difference between seeing him as a top 20 versus top 30 player. as opposed to the value you give him which is about equal to Brian Scalabrini. Ya know, perhaps they could pull Lebron over as well for Steve Nashs insurance covered contract, a 2nd round pick from 2022 and a 1989 signed lakers team picture. I mean, come on. A.C. Green was on that team!

Not to mention, you have the trade being like 10 million in total salary for 24 million. Guess this was a horribly thought out proposal lol

29 Sep 2015 23:17:54
Hibbert isn't worth that much. Let pizza think he has value no team would touch we wouldn't need Melo let him stay in ny. Pizza just because Phil Jackson wants Kobe on the Knicks doesn't mean Kobe will go. If your going to base it on comments then Kobe said he bleeds purple and gold.

29 Sep 2015 23:32:47
I'm assuming Clarkson has a solid year and becomes a $10M + per year player since he's a RFA next summer. That's about $19M between those 3 players and a future 1st.

Like I said, I obviously am in the minority on Melo's value since everyone else agrees with you Pizza. I get it's a concensus unbelievable trade. You know I don't like Melo based on previous comments. But if that's what it takes to get Durant to sign with LA, I can live with him on my team. Just not sure what it would take to get him. Russell is off limits in my point of view. What would it take?

Regarding the salary cap, the Lakers have only $26.1M in guaranteed contracts next summer and $48.6M in cap holds. If they resign Kobe right away for $10M, that gets rid of his enormous $26.25M cap hold. That puts them at $36.1M in contracts and $22.4M in cap holds ($58.5 total). That's plenty of room to sign KD (about $26M) which puts them at $84.5M. If They could S&T Clarkson (4 yrs $44M), Young, & Bass, they'd be trading $18.4M + Future 1st for Melo's $24.6M salary. That puts them at $80.9M with $21.1M cap hold. They have Hibbert's bird rights so they can go over the cap to resign him. At $15M per year, that puts them at $95.9M. The cap is suppose to be about $90M so they're still under the tax threshold. They can still use any exceptions they might have as well as min contracts to fill out the roster.

PG: Russell/Frazier
SG: Kobe/Williams
SF: Durant/A Brown/Holmes
PF: Melo/Randle/Nance
C: Hibbert/Upshaw

30 Sep 2015 01:56:54
How did all the lakers fans go we get Melo for peanuts. And then when people go he's worth more than an overrated pg and a pick in the distant future, you go fine. We didn't want him anyways lol. Durant isn't going to go to the lakers. Especially if it's just kobe. Why leave a far better team for that building project?

I don't believe Kobe will be a knock. I just think the lakers will finally do a full rebuild.

30 Sep 2015 03:15:38
Pizza why won't you make a post once instead of bashing other teams? You like to bash trades and signings but you never make one for a team.

30 Sep 2015 06:54:30
C'mon, it's Stephen A Smith! How many times has this guy been wrong? He is always going to say that LA and New York are about to get a star player, because those lies get him more attention.

30 Sep 2015 12:12:29
Agreed shrink. "King" the post was absurd. Occasionally on here some people expect such ridiculous returns, that their posts get disagreed with. Deal with it as opposed to quoting Taylor swift in saying haters going to hate. Just shake it off man. Shake it off.

Also, those salary numbers don't work. You are at 95 million and have half a roster.

Finally, you expect clarkson to have a good year this year to warrant 4 yr 44 million? From who? Listen, I understand fans are excited about how he was better than expected. But let's not go crazy. One of the better players on a terrible team which based off wins he made significantly worse does not equate to a very well paid pg. you are ranking him at rubios level with that contract. I'm not a huge Rubio fan as far as scoring but in every other facet of the game it's no contest. Just simmer down.

30 Sep 2015 16:41:36
The Knicks will want draft picks.

How about:
Lakers get Carmello
Knicks get Hibbert, Randall, Lakers 1st Rounder from Sixers
Sixers get Russell

Or something like that. You have to get the Sixers or Phoenix involved somehow since they have excessive 1st rounder.

Also, just back from LA. I wouldn't be surprised if Kobe is not a Laker next year. Not surprised at all.

30 Sep 2015 21:01:42
Pizza

Tell me how the salary numbers don't work. They have 12 guys in that scenario not half a roster.

Ellis signed a similar contract with IND this last summer and he's an inefficient volume scorer. With the cap rising another $10M next year, and another $20M the year after that, I think 4 yrs $44M is right in for Clarkson if he can maintain or build upon the type of season he had once he got starters minutes.

30 Sep 2015 21:02:41
Phillyrich

You're probably right, but if it takes Russell to get Melo, I'd rather not make that trade.

30 Sep 2015 23:22:35
Sixers shouldn't be in that deal. If its is before the season then Sixers would run away with a steal by trading a pick likely out of the top 3 for the 2nd overall pick. If it was after the season then still the sixers would run away with unfair value because if it is the top three pick the lakers keep it. So either way it benefits the sixers and they shouldn't be included unless giving more value.

30 Sep 2015 23:26:34
Pizza I asked you to make a post and denied it like shrink has asked you to do before but you ignore my challenge. 11 million per year for him won't a big contract like you think because of the rising salary cap. Take Lou Will's contract for example, 3 yrs 21 mill. 7 mill per year. When the cap goes up his contract value would be 4 mill per year making him kind of a bargain for being a sixth man. Players like Calderon Pek and others contract won't be a large amount like they seemed before.

01 Oct 2015 00:29:21
What challenge? The Knicks aren't agreeing to 11 mill a year for 4 years for a reserve player at best. Simple as that.

01 Oct 2015 02:56:14
Funny how you use a Taylor swift quote. I thought jimmy butler was one of the few men who listened to her. Not my kind of music but everyone is different. My challenge was for you to actually make a post on the Knicks for once and keep declining every trade. Just make one and tell us what value melo has IF he were to get traded

01 Oct 2015 13:48:05
Listen "king" as many have pointed out, this is a discussion board. This isn't 6th grade with double dog dares. You don't like disagreeance with posts, so be it. But if there is a post that I disagree with, i'm going to disagree. Fact is, clarkson's value is so ridiculously inflated by you and NLD. And Melo is ridiculously undervalued. Mock me about it. But Philly, Shrink. neither are Knicks fans. Tre. he and I always go at it about the knicks and sixers and even he says your valuation is absurd.

This isn't a middle school he said she said, I challenge you to do this nonsense. Do that if you wish, try and throw teenage barbs at disagreers. Go on discussions and call people "haters"(really thought we as a culture were fortunate enough to move past that idiocy). the post was a bad post. It just was. Clarkson probably has the value of a late 1st. MAYBE. I wouldn't even give that up.

What he did last year was show he's in the top 8 or so rookies. THE FIRST ROUND CONSISTS OF 30 ROOKIES. THAT doesn't MEAN YOU ARE A SECOND COMING OF CHRIS PAUL.

Others who made first team all rookie guards:

Tim HArdaway Jr ('14)
Dion Waiters ('13)
Landry Fields ('11)
Gary Neal ('11)

As far as value for Carmelo. as a knicks fan, I want to keep him. Minus a top 10 player being traded for him, I am happy with melo as a player and leader. He just needs the proper team surrounding him.

HOWEVER, the only trade the knicks would consider would revolve around a young/high value prospect and draft picks. The heat would be good, if they had draft picks. Centered around justice winslow, you can throw in a whiteside(although knicks have no need for that). But basically, it would be something like Winslow, fillers, and draft picks. that's it. But again, melo isn't being traded. Knicks don't have to trade him, and they don't want to trade him.

So just stop it.

01 Oct 2015 23:31:03
I don't care if you want to insult me with teenage barbs even though you would like to. I know shrink is a wolves fan and philly is obviously a sixers fan.

About a month ago you said it would be stupid for the lakers to trade Clarkson back for their own pick which is likely top 10. Now your saying his value is late first rounder maybe.

You said you would trade with the heat but they don't have future picks until 2018 so essentially your trading the big all star hotshot in melo for the 10th pick in the draft even though you claim his value to be much higher. So maybe you should just stop.

02 Oct 2015 00:03:15
you've exposed your self pizza.

You said about a month ago the lakers shouldn't trade Clarkson for their own pick back which could be top 10 and now you say his value is a late pick.

you bring up the heat with Winslow. They don't have a pick to trade until 2018 so basically your trading melo for the 10th pick in the draft while YOU claim his value is MUCH HIGHER.

This is the rumors page, the discussion page is nba talk so more posts go one here. Reread what you say.

02 Oct 2015 01:18:25
I really feel like I should jump in here and comment.

I got nothin'

02 Oct 2015 02:28:46
I did NOT say the lakers would be stupid to trade clarkson for their pick back. that's INSANE. I would have snagged that in a second. A most likely top 10 pick for a role player, ABSOLUTELY in a heart beat. The sixers would be insane for making that move. The post was for the OKC pick, which is projected around 27-30. and I thought at that level, might as well keep him. Read the post correctly. Like all the other posts.

In line with that statement of reading the full post. I know they don't have picks. that's why I wrote IF they had picks. A part you managed to completely miss. You asked what I thought his worth is. I said, a young prospect like justice winslow, with picks. And clearly they don't have any. And even if they did, knicks fans prefer keeping melo.

You need to grow up man. Make sure to read the whole posts. not just a few words here and there. It will help with your accuracy.

02 Oct 2015 14:24:13
About a month ago I posted a trade in which the Sixers traded back the Lakers pick in exchange for Clarkson. The response from Laker fan was a resounding NO.

I then sweetened the pot with another 1st rounder, the Sixers' own pick (I think), and was also hit by Laker fan with a resounding NO, we want to "keep the young core together."

I'm certain King said no to trading Clarkson. King, did Pizza agree with you on this? I don't exactly recall but you seem certain he was with you on that at the time.

Pizza probably doesn't remember. He's more interesting in bashing. It wouldn't surprise me if at the time he just took a side contrary to mine and now doesn't recall.

The conflict at this point is whether Pizza said no to my offer of the 1st rounders for Clarkson yet is now valuing him as a role player.

02 Oct 2015 14:54:36
Pizza said lakers say no for trading clarkson for the pick back. When you offered the Kings pick not sixers he didn't respond the other two times. So in other words he changes evaluations a lot

02 Oct 2015 14:57:09
Pizza telling me to read the post and comments all the way through while he ignores the fact that HE IS the one who doesn't read all the way through. Your real funny man. Your lucky I don't have prove proof but I remember you saying that. Your values change.

02 Oct 2015 15:45:58
Philly. the original post was for OKCs pick, which I believe is about accurate value, but I would have kept clarkson because developing him is a safer bet. IF it was the lakers, or multiple picks, absolutely would take that.

As far as "theking". i'm sorry, but did you really just go a month ago this happened, I have zero proof, but I know every post that was written on here. additionally. read the post above. you can't even follow the direct pattern in that thread. I have a hard time believing your accuracy on a response comment, to a post, involving a bevy of variations, including 3-4 different forms of 1st drafts and packages, with zero evidence. but you are positiive my response was that the top 5 pick is worth more than Clarkson. I have NEVER thought clarkson is worth a lottery pick.

"Theking" read the posts accurately.

02 Oct 2015 17:03:15
Theking. I don't even get why you would write "your lucky I don't have proof". why? Are you going to file criminal trade rumor charges against me for this claimed switching in opinions? Please don't intimidate me with these threats. they are so scary. you're lucky I don't have proof, otherwise, i'd be able to post an absurd teenager insult about how haters be hating and stuff lol

Relax there Perry Mason.

02 Oct 2015 23:27:49
Your lucky I don't have proof that your wrong and to shut you up. Your going on about random stuff and nobody really cares. I feel like I'm arguing with a ten year old and he keeps believeing in his own say and doesn't look at anyone else's point.

02 Oct 2015 23:29:20
There have been a bunch of posts of clarkson for the lakers pick back and I haven't seen one on the okc pick for him and I've came on this site the whole summer til now. Your memory is short it seems

02 Oct 2015 23:42:37
Btw pizza I asked you to make a post three times before you addressed it and yet you say I don't read the post all the way. Hahahaha

03 Oct 2015 05:25:28
What proof? What are you rambling about and why do you keep saying you challenged me? I said what his value is or at least what the Knicks would consider. Do you need it written again to comprehend my dear?

03 Oct 2015 15:38:03
You didn't even understand what I posted. READ THIS. I said I challenged you three times before you gave me a response to make a post. Finally you did. But you don't read my post all the way and you start talking nonsense

03 Oct 2015 20:15:09
Aww you made a challenge. That's cute. Haters be hating yo. And best not get no proof in Kings hands or he will make a mockery with his challenges to haters!! Seriously though, I'm going to let this die. Painful to admit, I have clearly realized you are under 15 and this is just too easy.

04 Oct 2015 01:18:05
Lmao pizza thinks he's figured out my age when he probably doesn't even know he's less than 10 years old. Stay home and eat pizza. You clearly don't read most of the stuff just wanting to believe what you say. But anything to make the children happy huh.

04 Oct 2015 15:26:54
That doesn't really make sense. I was saying let it die. Which somehow prompts you to come back and say I don't realize I'm under 10 years old and should go eat pizza? I assume you are a young teenager because you have made certain references and scrambles for insults that only teenagers would make.

Example. you don't realize It you are under 10. Go home and eat pizza! .Too funny. Too hurtful. I would say I'm rubber and your a glue hater but I'm guessing that's in your next mature response lol. Later lil man.





 

 

 
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