07 Oct 2015 13:39:15
Minnesota trades:
portland go full rebuild, 76ers get a starting pg, while twolves take next step:
MIN: lillard
POR: lavine, 2016 twolves 1st, 2018 twolves lottery protected 1st, 2016 miami 1st via phi
PHI: rubio
twolves get stretch 4 on an expiring deal to pair with towns, celtics clear frontcourt logjam:
MIN: sullinger
BOS: martin, 2 future 2nds
twolves get veteran wing help to replace martin, denver get young piece:
MIN: foye
DEN: payne
2015-16 MIN:
lillard/jones/miller
mohammed/foye
wiggins/prince/rudez
sullinger/garnett/bjelica
towns/dieng/pekovic
07 Oct 2015 14:56:12
The 2016 pick is already traded to the Celtics and is top 12 protected.
07 Oct 2015 15:20:10
It's not a bad haul for lillard, but Portland already has retooled their roster around lillard. I personally wouldn't want to trade a 25 year old all star locked up for six more years for three non-lottery picks and Lavine (who I don't think will turn into more than a nice role player).
07 Oct 2015 15:21:35
im aware, if the pick is not conveyed to the celtics can it be conveyed to portland?
07 Oct 2015 15:36:57
Who would pass the ball way to much to give away lillard is a hog ball not a team player with the team they have Rubio a much better fit if he could stay heathy
07 Oct 2015 15:51:11
Sixers don't want Rubio
07 Oct 2015 16:16:52
Sullinger is not a stretch 4. He makes less than 1/3 of all his threes.
Foye is not a wing, he is a 6-4 combo guard.
And Portland is not trading Lillard. He is the guy they will build around.
07 Oct 2015 16:51:44
The expected slots of those picks would make it a not so great haul for lillard. yeah, its 3 1sts.but 1 is to be protected in 2018, another is miami which should be in the 20s. and the other, timberwolves, isn't guarenteed to be as good as it could be if they get lillard. overall, not the best.
07 Oct 2015 17:34:43
I don't want Rubio. He's a less talent Rando.
07 Oct 2015 21:06:07
first, kudos for your boldness, Telo.
As for the picks . MIN owes BOS their 2016 1st, Top 12 protected, but if not it converts to two second round picks. The CBA allows a lot of latitude for teams to write whatever intricate protections they want into pick restrictions, so they could trade the MIN 2016 to POR if it falls in 1-12. We are seeing this multiple use of the same pick being used in second rounders right now (Team A gets it if 56-60, Team B gets it if it is 50-55, etc) so there is no reason it can't be done with firsts.
That said, the obligation needs to end after that draft, because MIN already owes ATL their 2018 1st, lottery protected, for Payne. Therefore, MIN can't make it "2016 pick, protected for picks 1-3 and 13-30, ELSE THEIR 2017 FIRST," because it would violate the Stepien Rule, and potentially leave them in a position where they could get no 1st rounders in 2 consecutive drafts.
Them's the rules, but I'll say that Lillard is a star, and worth some very nice picks.
07 Oct 2015 21:13:32
Speaking of the picks, it dawns on me with BOS in the deal, this might allow for some clever maneuvering. For example, your current trade has BOS giving up two seconds, but to be honest, two seconds is exactly what their MIN pick is likely to bring back because of it's protections. If BOS changes the two seconds to the MIN 1st, and MIN reclaims their pick, they can re-write whatever protections they want on it before sending it to POR! Maybe give BOS a 2nd back for the trouble,
07 Oct 2015 21:31:31
I guess the big question though is - do I think MIN would do it?
It's hard for me to say it, because I love Lillard and I am very much in the camp that believes actual production >> potential, but I think the answer is no.
It's Rubio, LaVine, Martin, plus two Firsts for Lillard, Sullinger, and Foye. That is a lot to upgrade Rubio. But maybe the bigger deal is that the future of the team at present is in Wiggins and Towns. Say what you want about Rubio's shooting, but he's a fantastic team player and maybe the smartest assist man in the game. He will simplify the game for the youngsters, and deliver the ball to them in positions for them to succeed.