02 Nov 2015 10:53:49
Heat/Celtics/Sixers
Heat get Robert Covington and Jared Sullinger
* sign Nate Robinson
pg Dragic/Robinson
sg Wade/Green
sf Deng/Covington
pf Bosh/Sullinger
ce Whiteside/Stoudemire
Celtics get Nerlens Noel and Mario Chalmers
pg Thomas/Chalmers/Rozier
sg Bradley/Turner/Hunter
sf Crowder/Young
pf Lee/Johnson/Olynyk
ce Noel/Zeller
Sixers get Heat 2nd rd pick, Marcus Smart, Justise Winslow Chris Andersen, Josh McRoberts and Perry Jones
pg Smart/Canaan
sg Stauskas/Wroten
sf Winslow/Grant
pf McRoberts/Jones/Landry
ce Okafor/Embiid/Andersen.
02 Nov 2015 12:38:29
Sixers fan?
02 Nov 2015 14:58:12
So the Sixers trade two starters: Noel and Covington
In return they get:
2nd round pick- don't want or need, have tons of them
Marcus Smart- good player, but can get with one of 4 draft picks this year
Justice Winslow- ok, I want that guy
Chris Anderson- don't want him. That's salary relief for the Heat
Perry Jones- complete bust who was just drafted into the D-League
Josh McRoberts- not a contributor to the heat. That's salary cap relief for them.
So the Sixers get 1 real positive, a guy the can get in the next draft, a 2nd rounder they don't want, an actual D-Leaguer and provide two chunks of cap relief in exchange for 2 starters- (their best rim protector and their best outside shooter) .
How does this work for the Sixers?
02 Nov 2015 16:28:52
Philly, you give up Noel and Covington. Noel, solid asset. Covington, not so much. You get a great prospect in Winslow. Potentially same value as Noel. Disagree or not, Winslow has the potential for a all around game, Noel is much more limited.
Marcus smart is significantly better than covington. He fills a glaring issue. And he's already had a year + under his belt in developing into a NBA level point guard. The other players you get are expiring or at least adds some veterans to that locker room. They are just side pieces, the major part to look at is Winslow and Smart for Noel and Covington. Simply going, we can get that in the future drafts. Yeah, sure, possibly. But again, what happens when Heinke sees a stud center on the board as well and goes for him? Even if you do get a decent pg next draft, itll be anohter couple years to develop him into anything of substance. So now the plan is to not contend until around 2020? Come on, this is a very good sixers return. The sixers at some point need to make some daring moves, because the slow but steady process of being terrible and adding nothing but future potential just is old as of now.
02 Nov 2015 16:43:15
This is not good Sixers return.
You simply do not trade talented bigs for talented smalls in this league. You have to pay up for talented bigs. The Sixers trading the best BIG in the deal and helping other teams out of a salary mess is not a bargain for the Sixers. That's charity.
Plus you underrate Covington. What has Marcus Smart accomplished in this league that you claim he's "significantly better than Covington? "
You are an admitted Sixer hater. You're opinions are meaningless since you've shown your bias.
02 Nov 2015 18:13:08
Covington can't shoot over 40%. He isn't a high volume rebounder. And he's 24. Far less growth potential. Smart was and is a developing pg. he is a potential leader that can realistically bloom into a great nba player. He is 21 and a big body. I admit I don't like the sixers, but really, a no offense Noel and a bench player on any other team for smart and Winslow? It's a no brainer. Dismiss it because I said I'm not a sixers fan but you are dillusiobal if you don't think that's a good return. Get rid of one center, you have 2-3 others and you get a solid 3 and developing 1. Come on man, stop being stubborn and saying no sixers trade ever unless they get 10 firsts because Heinke will make that happen. It's just foolish.
02 Nov 2015 19:00:36
Pizza, stop being a raging jack ass. "Stop being stubborn and saying no sixers trade ever unless they get 10 firsts. "? That's complete jackassery and you know it.
The trade IS NOT Smart and Winslow for Noel and Covington. The Sixers are being asked to relieve other teams of their cap problems too plus the trade suggests that they take on D-Leaguer Perry Jones for some reason. That all does not come for free.
"Get rid of one center, you 2-3 others. " Who? Okafor has played 2 games and Embiid won't play his first until maybe next year.
If you want a big off the Sixers roster, pay up or go elsewhere. I'll most likely get my Winslow and Smart in June and still have my starting PF and SG. Why should the Sixers create two holes just to fill two holes? Makes no sense.
02 Nov 2015 20:28:50
This trade is a tough yes from Sixers. We get too much in return for Noel and Covington to say no. Smart can be your starting point guard and Winslow can be a three. Saric and embiid back next year should help replace Noel.
It's incredibly hard to loss Noel though. He so young has so much potential especially on defense. But you got to make smart trades and this might help the Sixers get better now but especially in the future.
02 Nov 2015 22:22:09
Going to have to agree with Tre. Philly, stop taking things so personally. Noel is VERY limited offensively. The fact is that Okafor and Noel will have issues playing together because they both score within 8 feet of the rim.
The trade, while tough, would vastly improve your future by spreading the prospects to more than just bigs. You get the wing player that can play solid defense and add to the offense, and you get the potential of a solid floor general. It's not just me saying this, Sixers fans are saying it. You just keep flat objecting to Noel trades, demanding many 1sts and prospects. This is a very very solid team move. Thus, if the sixers were presented with it, they would likely do it.
As far as the others involve, that's how you pry away a prospect like winslow. The sixers have the cap space, so who cares if they take on PJ3? It makes no sense.
02 Nov 2015 22:48:20
Tre- try to look at this from a different perspective.
Who's the Celtic's long term solution at Center, and if that person's not on their roster, how are they going to get him? They won't draft high enough to get a premier player unless the Nets' pick plays out. This trade solves a very difficult problem for the Celtics.
Who's the Sixers solution at the small player positions? I'm not certain but I know they can get those guys in the draft with their own pick and the LA pick. So why give the Celtics what they need in return for what you can get yourself through the draft? This trade does get the Sixers two good players but those players are within their reach already without giving up Noel.
So if the Celtics want Noel, they better do better than this because after 12 months this trade helps them much more than it helps the Sixers.
03 Nov 2015 15:33:57
Philly, this is precisely why the sixers have made little to no impact in the past few years towards progressing. Constantly looking at other teams needs and acquiring trade chips by taking advantage of it is nice to an extent. At some point the sixers need to focus on their needs. Which are largely a floor general and a strong wing. This trade solves both. And it does so by giving up an ok player and a solid player in the one area the sixers are overloaded. If saric comes, he's a pf. He's too slow to cover the 3. So in theory, if embiid is healthy, you have 4 big men. This will limit all their progress. It just makes sense. As is. Ergo everyone but you is agreeing and everyone is disagreeing with you.
03 Nov 2015 17:22:21
I learned a long time ago not to worry about what other people think. You under rate Noel. He's a keeper. Team d is lousy when he's off court.
And yes, you do look at the needs/desperation of other team when making s trade.
Sixers get their floor general and wing in draft. Keep Noel. Celts can try to get that Noel type player in draft or free agency.
03 Nov 2015 23:45:05
LOL right philly.
Nerlens Noel 2015-16 On/Off
goo.gl/1ZebQf
Check it out....the team is ridiculously more effective, both offensively and defensively, when Noel is off the court. I don't put too much weight into those stats because I know his is a quality player, but they are what they are. I also am quite aware he has a terrible offensive game, which is not at all compatible with Okafor because they both require being a few feet from the rim.
You missed the point though. you look at the needs of the other team, but your decision is rooted in bettering your team. THAT is the mistake the sixers continuously make. They never address their glaring issues, instead they keep adding young pf/c. They keep delaying the process. They keep selling assets for more picks. And they keep in the bottom of the league.
Noel is solid, no one is saying he isn't a "keeper". Although, he is no where near the level you are making him out to be. At best, Noel will become Deandre Jordan. Very good defensively. Grabs boards. Terribly limited offensively and not a good free throw shooter. Those type of players are absolutely obtainable in free agency.
You are just being stubborn, which is evident by all the other sixer fans accepting this trade, in saying you will NOT give up one of the 4 potential big men, even if it means you will fix the 2 glaring holes in the sixers. You get a stud in winslow, a solid prospect in Smart, and yet, nope. Not enough, because Noel is the best center prospect ever and demands multiple 1sts? It's just irrational. I don't know why you expect the sixers to pull deals that give stud prospects for nothing. Obviously Noel is considered solid, otherwise you wouldn't be getting such a great return on him.
03 Nov 2015 23:47:38
Philly, you really should take a break. You are commenting irrationally. Noel is no where near where you project. Check your own stats of the sixers with him on the court versus off. I think he is better than they say, but not that much. He has zero offensive game, will ultimately not be able to function with Okafor because both demand the paint, and at the end of the day, there are ALWAYS defensive strong big men. Free agency, draft. It's finding one with an offensive game as well that is hard. You really need to relax. You are incorrect here.
06 Nov 2015 13:32:44
Pizza, that's an excellent stat that I've never seen before. But I think what it shows is the sixers are more effective on offense when he's off court but the opponent is much, much more effective when he's off the court.
Please explain/clarify without a personal attack.
Thank you.
06 Nov 2015 16:16:31
As for the Sixers problems, they center around the fact that Hinkie refuses to build a bench that has actual NBA players. NBA players: Noel, Okafor, Covington (injured), Wroten (injured), Stauskas, McConnell (maybe), Marshall (maybe-injured) . When those guys sit, there are no NBA players coming off the bench. And then it gets ugly real quick.
So that's why I'm not wanting to trade a real NBA player for an NBA player. If possible try to trade from the stockpile of picks to add an NBA player to the roster. Just moving 2 NBA players for 2 other NBA players doesn't help.
And your analysis of his blending with Okafor is incorrect. I assume you don't actually watch the games. They blend very well. One plays high, the other plays low post. And once again, if there are always defensive big guys around, why would the Celtics do this.