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25 Nov 2015 12:54:43

BOS get: Demarcus Cousins and Nik Stauskus

Pg. Thomas
Sg. Bradley
Sf. Crowder
Pf. Sullinger
C. Cousins

SAC get: Nerlens Noel, David Lee, James Young, and 2016 1st BOS (BKN)

Pg. Rondo
Sg. Bellinelli
Sf. Gay
Pf. Lee/WCS
C. Noel/Koufos

PHI get: Marcus Smart, Ben McLemore, and Tyler Zeller

Pg. Smart
Sg. McLemore
Sf. Covington
Pf. Okafor
C. Zeller.

25 Nov 2015 18:19:55
This is actually well thought out. Sixers don't get a ton in return but smart isn't bad and mclemor would upgrade that position. It's possible but unlikely for now.

23 Nov 2015 20:47:07
NYK/Sac (after the 15th)

Cousins for Porzingis and Lopez

Porzingis is playing with a high ceiling and this could be a prelude for what is to come or there could be a drop. Sac takes a chance and they get two big men the fortify their front court while NYK gets a dangerous Melo/Cousins combo.

23 Nov 2015 23:08:50
Would be crazy (in a positive way) if that happened. I mean the situation with the Knicks is still the one that was expected after the draft, although they won some games now: Porzingis is, as a commentator recently put it, "ahead of his schedule, but still a project" and Carmelos peak may already be behind him. Even if they make the playoffs this year, how long will they be in them? Same thing next year. And when Porzingis finally reaches his peak, Carmelo may already see the horizon called career-end (unless he drank something of that Duncan stuff) . With the trade above this obviously all changes. But the biggest weakness still would be the PG-Spot for the Knicks. Wonder if they'd go for Rondo then too as Melo was/is allegedly favoring him. Also as Rondo's contract is expiring he may be a little easier to get, as he simply could be gone after the season. Would adding Calderon + Pick maybe even do it? Someone here wrote some weeks ago that the Knicks can't trade their 2017 first rounder? Why? On realgm they still own it.

24 Nov 2015 00:21:25
Knicks traded 2016. Can't do back to back. Knicks won't make this move. Porzingas is a third the price or less. Locked up for 4 years. A great teammate. And the team is really starting to gel. The Knicks aren't moving Melo or porzingis. They will build around them. Porzingis will lengthen Melos career because there is far less pressure to be he entire team. Additionally, porzingis will be a very attractive lure for free agents. He is turning out to be incredible.

24 Nov 2015 00:49:05
Good stuff pizza

24 Nov 2015 02:26:49
They can trade back to back if they've already drafted the player. They could even have traded the Porzingis pick at the draft, they just couldn't trade it before that.

Cousins is a beast, and from a talent standpoint Knicks win this deal. That said, I don't know that I want Cousins, don't think him and Melo fit together well, and I don't love his attitude either.

24 Nov 2015 07:00:57
Cpt - the reason they can't trade the 2017 is because in the past, a poor GM traded away all his future firsts in a failed attempt to win now. The NBA front office realized that this was terrible for a franchise, because when the team does bad, fans can't even say, "wait until next year" if they've traded away all their first rounders. The draft remains the NBA's best mechanism for parity. Anyway, that bad GM goes down in history, since future Collective Bargaining Agreements all now have "The Stepian Rule. "

Many people don't get this quite right, so let me state it clearly.

A team can't make a trade that would leave them without a first rounder in the next two drafts.

1. First note that this doesn't say "your" first rounders. If NYK could acquire a unprotected first rounder (a late one is probably the most realistic) for 2016 or 2017, then the Knicks could trade both the NYK 2016, and the NYK 2017.

2. Second, note that the rule covers the next two drafts. As Triangle points out, a team could trade their pick on draft night every single year, because on draft night the next two future drafts are the following two years. Also note that what you did the previous year doesn't matter at that point - it's all about the next two future drafts.

Anyway, I posted because I wanted to make sure that if you were learning it today, that you understood it without the common misconceptions it usually comes with.

24 Nov 2015 07:07:12
As for the trade, if the Knicks had a chance to get Cousins for Porzingas, you have to do that deal.

Porzingas has a good chance of becoming a star, no doubt. However, Cousins is undoubtedly already a star, and probably the best center in the NBA. Cousins just turned 25 - he's not old by any stretch of the imagination. But the main reason you do this is that franchises are built in franchise players. I don't like Cousins, but he is a franchise player, where Porzingas only may become one some day.

24 Nov 2015 12:45:56
Cool! Thanks Triangle and Shrink for the explanation about the Stepien Rule, didn't know that. Maybe a glossary here on this site would be useful, as I for example still don't understand everything about cap space. All the exception rules, has a team currently enough cap to sign a certain player, how much money can be send in cash (in a trade) and so on. All the info sites about it are like a punch to the face, like where do I start. And maybe a glossary here, also would prevent trade ideas like "Joe Johnson for Eric Gordon".

Back to the trade: I would agree with Pizza about building a team around them, if the age difference wouldn't be there. As nice as all that sounds, but by the time Porzingis becomes only 24, Melo already will be 35. And can you win a conference final, let alone a championship with this combination? I guess if the Knicks could get Cousins, at any price despite Melo, they also would. And if there'd be any chance to acquire Rondo (or Collison) within the trade too, that would be a total no-brainer I think. Btw, when Jackson was asked about Cousins 5 months ago, he said: “We don’t know if we have enough stuff to even be in the talk, but we’re aware of what’s going on. ” Now they might have enough "stuff".

24 Nov 2015 19:18:22
1) Shrink writes the Stepien rule every week, you don't need a glossery, just scroll down

2) I was speaking in general, yes there are exceptions, but i answered cpt's question. But I guess thanks for showing exceptions to the rule, that really helps everyone.

3) You do NOT have to take that trade. There is basically zero chance that Cousins is a fit for the coach, the team, the scheme or the organization. Love Cousins' ability and talent. Love his age. Hate his attitude. Hate him as a teammate. He isn't someone I would want to build a franchise around. He is someone I would want to be a part of a franchise build.

4) addressing the age thing, Porzingis will likely extend Melo's career. By being a viable threat offensively and lightening the load and pressure on Melo, he can actually last longer. Melo isn't a driver. His game isn't based on athleticism. It is very realistic that Melo can be a top talent for 2-4 more years, enough time to allow for Porzingis to develop and bring in others that would want to play with the improving knicks.

Shrink, you literally wrote in one comment about how the knicks' "poor gm" threw away the future for win-now. and then go immediately after, well, if you have to throw away the future for win-now, you gotta! that's the exact thinking that ruined the knicks the past 3 years. The knicks have learned (hopefully) and they are developing their talent. The knicks are satisfied where they are and aren't dismantling their team for a potential bad apple.

24 Nov 2015 23:14:59
Pizza, you never cease to amuse me.

"You literally wrote one comment about how the Knicks poor GM. "

Lol! Ted Stepien was the GM for the Cavs.

AND you used the word "literally, " when you get it wrong!

Misreading is common for you, but I was "literally" amused by the irony here!

25 Nov 2015 05:34:06
You can trade your first round pick every year. No such rules says you cant. I don't know where that guy got that rule from lol

Raptors own knicks 1st round pick this year from brignani trade

And nuggets own raptors 1st round pick 2016 with option to switch for 2017 raptors 2nd round pick

Fair to say nuggets will take raptors first round pick this year

I hope knicks learn their lesson a never trade a 1st round pick away for anybody. 1st round picks are way to valuble especially when you suck.

25 Nov 2015 14:54:24
Actually the raptors get the less favorable pick between the Knicks and Denver. Those trades were before the new cba.

22 Nov 2015 14:54:27
I think this trade would benefit all teams involve


CHI get Kevin Martin and Kosta Koufos
** get a scorer and a backup center

Pg Rose/Moore/Brooks
Sg Martin/Dunleavy
Sf Butler/McDermott
Pf Gasol/Mirotic/Portis
Ce Noah/Koufos

SAC get Taj Gibson, Wolves protected 2nd in 2017 and Bulls 2nd round pick
** get their PF to pair with Cousins while WCS develops

Pg Rondo/Collison/Curry
Sg McLemore/Bellineli
Sf Gay/Anderson/Butler
Pf Gibson/Casspi
Ce Cousins/Cauley-Stein

MIN get Tony Snell, Kirk Hinrich (salary) and SAC future 1st round pick (protected)
** this free up time for Shabbaz and LaVine Hinrich is a throw in and he could play 3rd string SG for them

Pg Rubio/Miller/Jones
Sg Wiggins/LaVine/Hinrich
Sf Prince/Muhammad/Snell
Pf Garnett/Bjelica/Payne
Ce Towns/Dieng/Pekovic.

22 Nov 2015 15:39:57
This trade only works for the Bulls. Sac and Minn say No.

22 Nov 2015 15:56:13
USA EOD that is a steel of my trade! ; )

22 Nov 2015 17:22:11
Minnesota might say yes on this. Depending on the protection of the pick. As long as it doesn't turn into 2nd rounders in a few years and stays just lottery protected, they might say yes.

22 Nov 2015 20:13:32
I like it for all three teams. It's nice to see some deals with role players that can bring their skills to teams at could use them better.

I think MIN does this deal. Sure, their second could be decent, but moving Martin can be useful, and I think even though Snell hasn't been great, he might be able to help the Wolves a bit off the bench down the way.

22 Nov 2015 09:59:46
If the Kings think, they are in win now mode with that roster and if they wanna keep Cousins they should try to trade for a very mobile PF/C that can play over and protect the rim! A Player that can attack the rim and create some space for shooters or Cousins. A player like Faried, Gibson or Hickson. Maybe there is no trade for Faried but Kings could try:

Kings: Gibson
Chicago: Koufos

Kings: Hickson, Foye
Denver: Koufos, Curry

(If Chi get Koufos, they could move Noah to Dallas : )

22 Nov 2015 12:44:52
Trade one is pretty good, don't like trade two for the Kings.

22 Nov 2015 05:54:58
Suns trade with Kings (Suns Fan)

Suns get Cousins

Kings get Markieff Morris
Archie Goodwin (who I like)
Sunny Weems
2016 1st via Cavs
2018 1st via Miami
2021 1st via Miami

Why it makes sense for the Kings? They can play Kieff (who hates the Suns) for the rest of the year, and trade him for another 1st rounder as he starts to get back to form. Once they trade Cousins, Kings return to rebuild mode anyways, so these future picks would work to their advantage. Archie, McLemore, and WCS are all young enough to build around for the next 5 years. It is better than being boderline average but not good for the next 5 years.

Why it makes sense for the Suns? They need an all star talent. They have too many assets and no stars. No one else is going to give up their all star player for these assets. Boogie is good friends with Bledsoe, and Hornacek is an easy guy to get along with. Plus, it would allow Cousins to be on a winning team with this line up. Without this trade Suns are just an average team as well. With this trade they have a chance to compete. Right now they can't sell tickets even for $5 to get fans into the arena. During the Bulls game, there were more Bulls fans then Suns fans at their own stadium. That is just sad. It is bad for fans, bad for the team, and bad for business. This is Suns only chance. They cannot wait to whiff on another free agent acquisition. No all stars are going to sign up for PHX unless they are 32+.

Worst Case Scenario: Cousins does not want to play PF, and you have to trade away Tyson Chandler (which might be a blessing in disguise) . If Cousins still remains unhappy, you can still use him with other assets to trade for a all star player in the future.

22 Nov 2015 09:33:26
If you wanna move Chandler maybe you can ask Dallas for Pachulia/Felton for Chandler/Price. : ) But I would have preferences. :: ) )

22 Nov 2015 21:31:22
I want to get rid of Chandler within the next 18 Months, but as a piece for someone better. I don't mind keeping him if we don't get a star.

19 Nov 2015 23:48:06
Celtics: Gay and WCS

Kings: Lee, Young, Zeller, Celtics and Mavs first this year.

20 Nov 2015 05:48:19
Celtics are doing good. If they're going to do a trade don't trade for Gay.

19 Nov 2015 20:32:23
Boston has the asset and could be get over the top by such a trade having still a first round pick next year to draft a good SG on the wings. Kings get a good PF a two rookies.


-1st 2016 and 1st 2018.

19 Nov 2015 23:22:32
ah yes, so the kings give up their franchise player and moreland for what.2 expiring contracts and 2 firsts? Even if they are brooklyn's firsts, doesn't matter. The kings would be set back yet again. You really should consider the second team in a 2 team trade. But me think hard too much you for. you slow think. hard to think multiple things. doink.

20 Nov 2015 03:30:46
real bad.

20 Nov 2015 06:53:26
It is easy to deliver pizza, it is more difficult to build a NBA Team. Please consider.
I think it Insults Sulling and two top 20 draft picks of the future.
Kings are a 30.8 winning Team. And if you have a bit of a clue, you would not expect much improvment on that Team, maybe they can battle for the 8th seat but not a deep Play off run. They have two good Centers and they can go forward by adding a good rookie to Collison, McLemore, Sullinger, MWC with such a trade very well.

Funny to see a frustrated Pizza criticize all the Chat proposals, why Thing "will not" work, on different proposals, on different members. Typical attitude of that Generation, to criticize and to whine but have no ideas and no balls to have their own proposals or to have fun at life, maybe I am to hard with you and you are a poor guy, but honest.

20 Nov 2015 12:44:58
What are you saying? Seriously, no idea. Kings are a 30.8 winning team?

My generation doesn't operate like yours? You have no clue how old I am and you clearly just made it seem like you are 90.

Seriously man, come up with a new trade instead of the exact same. Learn to write so it makes sense. And stop with these gross exaggerations like d will is the best pg ever and has a sweeter finger roll than tony Parker. You literally said just that. AFTER ONE GAME.

Maybe then people will take your posts seriously. But guessing that won't happen. You'll post it again in a few days with some nonsense that s impossible to read about delivering pizza while calling me poor and fat? Again, no idea where this is coming from.

20 Nov 2015 15:59:31
Honestly pizza, it's not the worst thing drainer has ever put out here. It's probably not enough current assets, the Kings would want something tangible, not just picks for cousins, but if that's the two nets picks, that could be two top 5-10 picks. Plus a decent big man in sully, who is restricted next year, so not just an expiring deal.

20 Nov 2015 16:19:10
Why should the Kings want to blow up their team to help the Celtics with their rebuild?

20 Nov 2015 18:32:34
Ben, just makes no sense. David lee is an expiring. So the trade is 2 draft picks and sullinger. As is evident by drainers follow up, he was not talking about brooklyns pick. He said top 20. If you were talking about brooklyns, it's clearly a lottery and likely top 5.

The kings refused to make a trade for basically Clarkson, Randle and the #2 pick. Why would they possibly now trade for a far more inferior package which is centered around an injury prone, short center with serious back issues. and 2 picks, which based off drainers comments, aren't even the good ones?

20 Nov 2015 19:08:03
Oh Pizza, bunny. A top 20 pick means a pick between no. 1 and no. 20
And Sulling is also a very good Young Player. Sacramento has issues, and they are will not improve much with that roster, they are not bad, but it does not work. So it is business to go forward! And this trade give them "3" good to very good assets and young one. Why Boston would give them "3" very good assets? Well, I think Cousins would fit better at their roster.

But Pizza seems not out of another generation, he seems come from another planet.

(BTW, I meant "our" generation has so much frustated People, not yours, but you are in the that loop . senseless.

20 Nov 2015 19:58:16
Pizza that's what the Kings wanted for cousins plus to take on Landry but the lakers stuck to the 2nd pick and Randle and said no to the Kings offer. I agree kings wouldn't take this.

19 Nov 2015 15:38:10

ATL gets: Rudy Gay, Derren Collison, Ben Mclemore and WCS

SAC gets: Kyle Korver, Dennis Schroder Kent Bazemore, Mike Scott and Tim Hardaway Jr.

Atlanta get their starting Small foward a decent back up point guard and some young guys to work on.
Sacramento gets a great 3 point shooter a good back up behind Rondo and some energy guys.

19 Nov 2015 15:48:08
It's obvious you're a Hawks fan. Not only with your name.

19 Nov 2015 16:02:00
well obviously I'm new to this but oh well.

19 Nov 2015 16:14:53
You're new but still, this trade is horrendous. The Kings will have to include cousins for all them energy players, clearly.

19 Nov 2015 19:46:10
Keep trying, new guy. Don't be discouraged.

19 Nov 2015 13:32:43

HOU get: Demarcus Cousins and Demar Derozan

pg. Lawson
sg. Derozan
sf. Ariza
pf. Cousins
c. Howard

SAC get: James Harden and Clint Capela

pg. Rondo
sg. Harden
sf. Gay
pf. WCS
c. Koufos

TOR get: Terrence Jones, Ben McLemore, and Sam Dekker

pg. Lowry
sg. Ross/McLemore
sf. Carroll
pf. Jones
c. Valanciunas.

19 Nov 2015 14:15:37
Toronto gets screwed.

19 Nov 2015 15:15:15
I hate to say this but the Rockets will not trade Harden even for that package.

20 Nov 2015 03:32:28
HOU rips in this deal.

20 Nov 2015 04:58:50
Toronto gives up a all star for draft bust

Houston would make this deal asap

Kings would make deal asap

Toronto backs out of deal lol.

20 Nov 2015 23:51:46
Hou does make the deal asap
Kings do not do the deal
Toronto DEF does not do the deal

19 Nov 2015 04:04:03
Celtics get Cousins and 2nd rd pick from Kings
Kings get Lee, Sullinger, 3 1st rd picks from Celtics and a 1st pick from Sixers
Sixers get Smart

Rockets hire Tom Thibodeau as Head Coach.

19 Nov 2015 05:27:46
I would say believeable depending on what the Kings want for Cousins. If its pick s then yes this would work but if its young talent then no but I wouldn't see Celtics adding sixers in the deal and would rather offer another pick from themselves and keep smart then trade him to sixers for another pick added.

19 Nov 2015 19:47:37
Which pick from sixers?

17 Nov 2015 22:25:14
Simple swap of superstars that could be a base of a major trade. SAC CLE IND

Sac trades: Cousins
Sac receives: George

IND trades: George
IND receives: Love

Cle trades: Love
Cle receives: Cousins

Few thoughts, this is still unfinished even though salaries match. I believe with this base trade every team at least fills some type of need. Cousins drama ends in SAC and he goes to a team with leadership of Lebron. Indy gets their stretch 4 that they were looking for. Cavs receives a athletic athlete who dominants the paint and thus gives more of the perimeter for Kyrie and Lebron to work. Also feel Cousins doesn't demand the ball as much as Love and Sac receives a true number one option to replace Cousins in George.

Although every team does receive a good addition, I believe Love is a great player but not up to the standard of Cousins and George so this means Cleveland would have to sweeten the deal. Either a player or two or a pick or two may work but I want to get your opinions on the base of the trade at least. Could this work for all three teams?

17 Nov 2015 23:19:16
Kinda like a fantasy trade. IND would not do that.


IND get Gay and Love

Pg Hill
Sg Ellis
Sf Gay/Miles
Pf Love
Ce Mahinmi/Turner

CLE get Cousins and J. Hill

Pg Irving
Sg Shumpert
Sf James
Pf Cousins
Ce Mozgov

SAC get George and T. Thompson

Pg Rondo
Sg McLemore
Sf George
Pf Thompson
Ce Cauley-Stein.

18 Nov 2015 02:28:48
I would do that for sure if I was Cle and Sac but IND I'm still not sure even though Gay does give Indiana a good wing replacement and Love fills the need. Maybe a first from Cle added may give it the push it may need that or Dellavedova since Thompson and Delly have good chemistry.

18 Nov 2015 17:56:56
The 1st idea IND passes, The 2nd idea IND considers.

17 Nov 2015 06:47:47
The Sacramento Kings have put together quite a nice core group over the past few years, hopefully now they can start gathering some W's like they strongly deserve. Here is a move i think they could make to solidify their improving position:

Kings Get:
- Ryan Anderson
- Luke Babbit
- 2018 Pelicans 1st Round Pick
- Terrence Jones

Rockets Get:
- Caron Butler
- Quincy Acy
- Duje Dukan
- 2020 Kings 1st Round Pick
- Quincy Pondexter

Pelicans Get:
- Willey Cauley-Stein
- James Anderson
- Trevor Ariza


PG: Rondo - Collison
SG: McLemore - Belinelli - Curry
SF: Gay - Casspi - Babbit
PF: Jones - Anderson - Moreland
C: Cousins - Koufos

PG: Lawson - Beverley - Terry
SG: Harden - Thornton - McDaniels
SF: Brewer - Butler - Dekker
PF: Moteijunas (INJ) - Acy - Harrell
C: Howard - Capela

PG: Holiday - Cole (INJ) - Smith
SG: Gordon - Evans (INJ) - Fredette
SF: Ariza - Gee
PF: Davis - Cunningham - Perkins (INJ)
C: Cauley-Stein - Asik - Ajinca.

17 Nov 2015 11:07:35
Why does Houston do this at all?

17 Nov 2015 14:53:26
Rockets would never do that why not just make a deal between Kings and Pelicans if you want Anderson?

17 Nov 2015 15:35:09
NOPs fan in disguise.

16 Nov 2015 22:49:24
From a neutral standpoint, here are some big deals that I think makes sense before the deadline for a couple of teams:

IND: winslow, whiteside, deng, future 1st
MIA: george

UTA: conley
MEM: hood, lyles, 2017 GS first

BOS: cousins
SAC: lee, sullinger, rozier, 2016 BKN first, 2018 MEM first

PHX: faried
DEN: caldwell-pope
DET: Morris

CHI: melo, galloway
NYK: noah, brooks, McDermott, portis, 2016 and 18 Chicago firsts, 2017 Sacramento first.

17 Nov 2015 17:01:20
That phoenix Detroit one and the melo one looks decent but the others i don't see happening.

16 Nov 2015 17:44:34
Knicks trade

Carmelo Anthony
Jose Calderon
2020+ second pick

Bulls Trade
Pau Gasol
Doug Mcdermott
Kings Draft Pick (Top 10 Protected pick)
Joakim Noah.

16 Nov 2015 18:11:39
Bulls Wouldn't Do This. Who would their centers be Baristow and Portis?

16 Nov 2015 17:19:10
Kings Trade- Cousins and Collison

Pistons Trade- Drummund, Jennings, and Illyasova

Kings solve the Cousins problem and get another franchise altering center. Also get Jennnings and illyasova who are solid players to help fix their franchise.

(Jennings can play sg to if need be)

Pistons get a franchise player to build around and they are actually a good franchise who can draft and trade well.


16 Nov 2015 18:23:12
Drummond is younger, a better defender, better rebounder, and improving offensively. And he's not a head case. Why would Detroit do this?

16 Nov 2015 18:38:48
Because Cousins and Drummund are the same defensively (both average 1.6 blocks) Cousins is no slouch at rebounding (11) and he is much better at offense. Drummund has no post game and he can't shoot cousins can do both. Drummund just gets his points off of putbacks.

16 Nov 2015 18:52:55
And when drummund and Cousins went head to head drummund went for 14 and 17 5 fouls and 5 turnovers and cousins had 33 p 3 fouls and 4 turnovers.

16 Nov 2015 19:36:40
Because one head to head matchup means everything?

And if you only base defense on blocks and steals, you are not watching the games. Drummond is absolutely a better defender than cousins.

Also, Drummond can be locked in for five more years past this year, cousins only has two more years until he's an unrestricted free agent.

16 Nov 2015 20:30:00
Drummund is a better defender but not by that much. Cousins is averaging 28 points per game. Drummund is averaging 19 all off of putbacks cousins actually uses skill to score.

16 Nov 2015 22:36:55
Drummond is a better defender clearly so as Cousins is the better offensive guy. Skill wise, Cousins has the edge no doubt but i don't see why the both teams do that. They should build around those guys and not trade them away.

20 Nov 2015 03:36:06
Kings say no.

16 Nov 2015 16:03:44
Sac trades: Cousins, gay and first round pick
OKC: Durant

I don't see KD coming back next year so they might as well try and get something back for him. Cousins wants out of Sac town and I say make the trade now. Still would be a great lineup both ways. OKC will have Control of Cousins for a few more years, while Sac gets him out of town.

16 Nov 2015 17:09:30
and you think KD will resign in sacramento? lol.

16 Nov 2015 22:37:46
^not only that, Cousins and Gay are just "something" for KD. That's funny.

17 Nov 2015 04:22:03
I wouldn't go Durant for Cousins.

16 Nov 2015 02:55:27
Celtics: Cousins and Gay

Kings: Lee, Young, Zeller, Crowder the 2016 Nets and Wolves picks.

16 Nov 2015 05:04:24
Nope, going to need Smart or Bradley instead of Zeller or Crowder, and most likely another first round pick.

16 Nov 2015 02:22:21
Kings trade Ben mclemore

Sixers trade heat first and Sampson

For some reason George Karl refuses to play mclemore a lot. He's only averaging less than 18 minutes per game. He gets a chance to start and show how much potential he has on the sixers.

16 Nov 2015 08:44:40
Similar too the shabazz situation and offer I proposed in Minnesota. I'll take either one in Philly.

16 Nov 2015 13:31:07
King, I think I might have suggested this trade (excluding Sampson) a long time ago. However, believe it or not, he actually was moved into the starting line up last night. He got off 6 shots for 8 points.

15 Nov 2015 22:30:54
Celtics: Avery Bradley 16 1st rd pick and Amir Johnson
For kings: Demarcus cousins.

15 Nov 2015 22:37:54
Not enough for boogie.

15 Nov 2015 22:59:41
Celtics have to do better than that.

They have the assets, but this offer would be trumped by many teams.

15 Nov 2015 23:30:28
Replace Johnson for Lee; add Young and Smart; then I think the Kings would bite. Since the Celtics would be sending Smart, the pick would be the Celtics unprotected one in 2016, but not the Nets.

15 Nov 2015 23:44:45
Kings would definelty want the nets pick. If celtics don't give it no deal from kings.

19 Nov 2015 05:08:46
not close.

14 Nov 2015 21:16:10
Bulls get: Rudy Gay, Marclo Hueartas, and Tarik Black

Give: Taj Gibson, Kirk Hinrich, Etwaun Moore, and 2 2nd round picks

Kings get: Taj Gibson, Lou Williams, and Danillo Gallonari

Give: WCS, Rudy Gay, Darren Collison, Ben McLemore, and Omri Casspi

Nuggets get: WCS, Ben McLemore, and Kirk Hinrich

Give: Dannillo Gallonari

Lakers get: Darren Collison, Omri Casspi, Etwaun Moore, and 2 nd round picks

Rose - Brooks - Hueartas
Butler - Snell
Gay - Dunleavy - teach me how to McDougie
Mirotic - black - Portis
Gasol - Noah - Bairstow
( a in now type deal. They can use another scorer and a true SF)

Rondo - Lou - Curry
Bellinelli - Anderson
Gallonari - Butler
Gibson - Acy - Morehead
Boogie - Koufus - Duke
( just a better win now team, they had interest in Lou. Gallo is a better fit than gay and I like Gibson next to boogie to win now. )

Mudiay - Nelson - Hinrich
Foye - McLemore - Harris
Chandler - Barton - Miller
Faried - Lauvegne - Arthur
Jusuf - WCS - Hickson
(Rebuild type trade, makes Faried expendable. They free cap)

Russell - Collison
Clarkson - Young - Moore
Kobe - MWP - Casspi
Randle - Nance - Kelly
Hibbert - Bass - Sacre
(I like getting Moore, could be a Ariza Shannon Brown type get for the future. Collison is a better fit than Lou. Casspi brings a shooter you can trust)

4 way deals don't really happen and I now it's now very believe because too much going on but I think all teams benefit and get better now or for the future.

14 Nov 2015 21:37:59
Kings say hell no.

15 Nov 2015 01:19:52
Lakers get worse. And I hate the Kings but they get completely robbed. Gibson and Williams really aren't that valuable and Gallinari isn't worth 2 high quality prospects and an elite scorer.

15 Nov 2015 01:42:24
I agree collinson is a bettwe fit than Lou will. But bass at the backup 5 is not a good idea and casspi has been playing good for Karl. Kings say no.

17 Nov 2015 04:23:25
Kings laugh.

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