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22 Feb 2017 19:06:02
PACERs and sixers.
Sixers trade: Noel, (better of sixers and Sacramento pick swap), lakers pick ( top three protected 2017 and unprotected in 2018) sacramento 2019 unprotected pick.
Pacers trade Paul George.
Pacers rebuild right away getting three unprotected first assuming lakers pick doesn't convey this year. Sets themselves up for a solid rebuild going forward. They sign Noel to play next to turner. Turner shoots 37 percent from three so the pairing could be solid.
Sixers get a star without giving up embiid or Simmons, who are their most important assets. They have a ton of money left to sign a few more players and George is under contract for the next two season. That's a solid group to build with going forward.
22 Feb 2017 19:41:41
Too much for potentially one year of george.
22 Feb 2017 20:23:18
Not a chance. George alone won't make the 76ers all that better. Basically 4 1sts for George? NOT in this lifetime.
22 Feb 2017 22:26:07
How is that 4 firsts? Is a 4 year vet still considered a rookie now?
22 Feb 2017 23:14:23
There pick would become a lotto pick. No way philly does this!
23 Feb 2017 00:05:42
i take this as an indy fan.
This would only work for the sixers if B Simmons can play PG. They hope he can become the next Giannis antetokounpo, but i think he should play PF.
22 Feb 2017 17:21:55
Boston: Okafor+ 1rnd pick sac 2019
Philly: Olynyk+ 1rnd pick Nets 2017
Boston buys time in this scenario.
They can try to get KD and/or G Hayward and/or B Griffin. If they fail to land a superstar, they still have two potential 1 overall picks to trade for guys like PG13 or J Butler, who can become unhappy and who wanted to be traded.
Okafor's stock is low for the moment, but he should be a starter and he still has potential.
PF: B griffin
SF:Crowder/ J Brown
SG: G Hayward/Bradley
PG: IT/ Smart
This team could challenge the Cavs and Golden state
Philly can fasten the rebuilt after years tanking. They can land the 1st, 2nd and 4th pick (Nets,sac(or philly) and Lakers pick.
So in an ideal scenario they can draft Fullz, J Jackson and Monk
C: Embiid/ Noel
PF: B simmons/ Saric
Sf: J Jackson/ covington
This could be a scary team in a few years.
22 Feb 2017 17:50:10
I like this.
22 Feb 2017 18:01:16
Okafor's value now is mid to late first-rounder.
No way Celtics give up the Nets pick for so little.
22 Feb 2017 18:08:17
Lmao i don't see boston giving the nets pick up for anyone on the sixers much less okafor. We have already been through this every team knows okafor is nothing more then an average scorer, and we all know philly wants to get read of him because his value keeps dropping. If you guys really thought he could be special you wouldn't be trading him.
22 Feb 2017 19:34:59
This is horrible for the Celtics. Nets pick worth way more than Okafor, and even though the Kings are a mess there are no guarantees on a pick so far away.
22 Feb 2017 19:34:59
Oh. I like this. I wonder why.
This is flat out stupid.
22 Feb 2017 19:59:07
You're right burger, of course a sixers fan would like this.
Is there any chance boston doesn't take fultz or ball with pick 1, if they are lucky enough to get it? They passed on the guard last year.
22 Feb 2017 22:24:26
Apparently Ainge is trying to avoid trading that Nets pick in a deal for Butler, which guarantees he would not give it up for Okafor.
23 Feb 2017 04:55:25
I can see them taking Ball, Last year he took Brown when he was projected 9th. So you never know with DA.
22 Feb 2017 00:00:35
Boston: Okafor+ 1rnd pick Sac 2019
Philly: Nets pick 2017+ Olynyk
The two best prospects in the draft are pointguards. Boston doesn't need a pg,so why not trading the pick for a future pick, so they can keep their options open. The sacramento pick is a lock for the top three in 2019.
And they where interested in Okafor before. He's a good center for that team on a rookie contract for a few years
Philly need a pg, so they can draft Fullz or Ball, with the other pick they can draft J Jackson or Monk
C: Embiid/ Noel
Pf: Simmons/ Saric
This team should convince a big free agent to come to philly
22 Feb 2017 16:07:28
The 2017 Nets pick is worth way more than that package alone even the 2018 Pick might be too much.
21 Feb 2017 21:42:24
Celtics get Kosta Koufos and Ben McLemore
Bulls get Tyler Zeller, Demetrius Jackson, 2017 Clippers 2nd, and 2019 Detroit 2nd
Kings get Nikola Mirotic and Michael Carter-Williams.
22 Feb 2017 01:26:06
I just don't see why the Bulls would take on Zeller's bad contract just to get a couple mid-to-late 2nd rounders. At least Mirotic and MCW are coming off the books after the season.
22 Feb 2017 01:44:02
Neither Koufas nor McLemore would be rotation players in Boston, so what's the point unless the Celtics can flip them in another deal?
21 Feb 2017 19:41:54
So I think that there is a real possibility that the kings end up with one of the bottom three records in the league this year after the cousins trade. Currently it looks like phoenix is looking to sell and bkn isn't going anywhere. To me that leaves the the lakers as the odd man out in this scenario, potentially sending thier pick to the Sixers.
Also today news broke that magic johnson has been named the new GM of the lakers. Magic has been open on Twitter about being a Jahlil Okafor fan because of his winning at every level prior to the nba.
This leads me to the opportunity I see there for the Sixers
Lakers get: Okafor
Sixers get: removal of protection from the lakers pick this year.
Reasoning as stated above would be that the lakers may very well lose this pick anyway. So to get something like okafor in return rather then nothing would be a savvy move by the lakers new gm.
For the sixers in this scenario they would end up with two top 5 picks (kings swap) in a "loaded" draft and have thier pick of several nice prospects to continue the build.
Hinkie knows all
What do you think?
21 Feb 2017 19:58:44
No reason to flip Okafor for something you'll definitely get.
21 Feb 2017 20:13:26
I don't see you right argument. We give them okafor because the pick is most likely outside of the top three anyway. I'm confused.
21 Feb 2017 20:20:46
There's still so many moving parts though (lottery, suns actually playing well the rest of the way, sixers not playing embiid or simmons the rest of the way ) that I think it would be worth it to guarentee getting the pick this year in a draft with a class that moreso fits thier needs rather then next year's class.
21 Feb 2017 20:23:09
I want the pick this year. This guarantees that, no matter where it falls. Everything else I said is just hypothetical, and not reality yet.
21 Feb 2017 21:25:10
The lakers would be idiots to take the protection off the first. If they keep their pick, then the pick they traded to Orlando becomes two second rounders. So they're basically trading two firsts. Seems like a bad move.
21 Feb 2017 21:27:50
I can understand that. I'd like the pick too. but why would you if your the lakers give up the chance to keep it for okafor. Next year it is unprotected anyway so the sixers can get it next years as lakers don't seem to be going anywhere anytime soon. Even with a top pick this year in a guard heavy draft they already have Russell. I think sixers would like to garentee the pick but with it being unprotected next year the incentive might not be that high. This team is always tanking it seems anyway.
21 Feb 2017 22:02:37
I'd be most willing to offer them Okafor and the pick for Russell.
21 Feb 2017 12:48:52
Henson, Delly, 2nd rd pick 2019 for Knight and Chandler
Vaughn and 2nd rd pick 2017 For
Bucks also should get another star to play with Greek Freak this offseason!!!!!!
21 Feb 2017 14:08:17
Why adding two PG when they have Brogdon who is going to be a beast. and I don't think this can give you Collison.
21 Feb 2017 16:40:39
Suns aren't doing that!
21 Feb 2017 12:28:06
Crazy in SACRAMENTO!!
Kings get B. Knight
Suns gets L. Galloway / A. Tolliver
21 Feb 2017 16:41:03
Suns say no!
21 Feb 2017 03:17:47
Celtics get Jimmy Butler, Ben McLemore, Willie Cauley-Stein
Bulls get Avery Bradley, Jaylen Brown, Tyler Zeller, 2018 Brooklyn 1st, 2019 Clippers lottery protected 1st, 2017 Cavs 2nd, rights to Ante Zizic (via Celtics)
Kings get Nikola Mirotic, MCW, 2019 Celtics 2nd.
21 Feb 2017 04:07:01
Don't understand why you feel the need to hit the Kings while they are down.
This is the type of offer I think Celtics should send for Butler (Keep Brooklyn 2017 pick) and see what happens. If I'm the Bulls I'd wait until offseason to trade Butler after I gauge the FA market.
21 Feb 2017 04:32:02
Part of the reason to clear out Boogie was to give a guy like WCS a chance to play. The Kings wouldn't move him for this package.
21 Feb 2017 04:50:44
They can just give Papagiannis a chance lol.
21 Feb 2017 02:42:11
Pacers need to take steps to improve their team or fear not being able to resign George. They need to prove to him they are serious about winning.
Hawks get: Thaddeus Young, Monta Ellis, Jefferson, Stuckey and Indy 2017 1st rounder
Pacers get: Millsap, Splitter, Sefolosha and THJ
Hawks get a solid return for Millsap that keeps them competitive in short term but gives them more certainty for the long term without fear of losing him in FA.
Pacers get an all-star to add to George, Turner and Teague while also adding some solid bench pieces and clearing up cap space to resign both Teague and Millsap in offseason without cutting into luxury (although they most likely would in future if resigned George) .
With their Bird rights Pacers would be the favorites to sign both Teague and Millsap. Only the Bulls, 76ers, Kings, Nets and Nuggets have enough cap space to offer Millsap the max and Pacers would clearly be the best location from a fit and basketball perspective for Millsap.
20 Feb 2017 22:16:12
Pistons get Ricky Rubio and Ben McLemore
Twolves get Arron Afflalo, Langston Galloway, and a future 2nd (via Kings)
Kings get Reggie Jackson, Adriean Payne.
20 Feb 2017 19:50:59
3 team deal
Okc get: CJ Miles and jae crowder
Bos gets: PG13
the pacers just got much more value the kings and damarcus is better then pg13. also pacers get young pieces to get a good rebuild because they can't beat cle bos tornto washington
pacers get: Brooklyn 2017 pick Alex abrines kyle syngler joffery lauverne
domantas sobonis marcus okc 2 2nd smart or brown
Okc gets shooters and defenders without giving up too much talent now but affect their future but westbrook won't be around unless okc STOPS LOOKING FOR PICKS AND YOUNG TALENT AND SHOWS THE WANNA WIN NOW
bos gets superstar to team up with thomas
okc signs griffin 4 108 mil player option o year 3 and tucker 3 year 18 mil
iny drafts fultz
bos signs milsap 3 year 73 mil and noel 3 year 60 mil kcp 2 year 35 mil
okc and bos turns to contender and can win the title'
indy gets rebuild
TELL ME IF YOU THINK IT GOOD
20 Feb 2017 20:10:46
I wouldn't use the Cousins trade as a barometer for PG13's value currently as George has another year on his contract and isn't the mercurial character Cousins is. Also George is much more versatile player. Pacers should however figure out what they want to do with him fast so they don't find themselves in a similar situation the Kings found themselves in our worse since George is noncommittal on signing an extension with Pacer even if its 200+mill.
Don't think its an awful trade for PG13 but the franchise should likely wait until the offseason to do a trade after they have more time to evaluate things and see how playoffs go. Would be great pickups for the Thunder and really good (almost too good) value. Those Boston signings I think are very unrealistic. With IT and Bradley going to be FA summer 2018 they aren't going to commit that much money to FA (doubt they even can) . KCP isn't going anywhere especially for that little as a restricted FA and 76ers seem committed to Noel now so I think they'd begrudgingly match that offer.
20 Feb 2017 21:31:11
Boston would rather have Butler, would give them an extra year of flexibility.
Boston gives the 17 Brkln pick, A Bradley and Crowder for Butler.
21 Feb 2017 01:10:39
thx for sharing.
20 Feb 2017 17:34:41
BOS- Jimmy Butler
CHI- Marcus Smart, Jalil Okafor, Jonas Jerebko, 2018 BRK swap (from BOS), 2019 SAC swap (from PHI)
PHI- Avery Bradley
PHI- Reggie Jackson
DET- Nerlens Noel, & Jerryd Bayless
4th (LAL)- PG Dennis Smith
5th (own)- PF Jonathon Issac
PG- Reggie Jackson/Dennis Smith
SG- Avery Bradley/Gerald Henderson
SF- Ben Simmons/Robert Covington
PF- Dario Saric/Jonathon Issac
C- Joel Embiid/Richaun Holmes
20 Feb 2017 18:55:42
Don't think that offer convinces Bulls to trade Butler and questionable whether Bulls would prefer Okafor and Sac 2019 pick (it should be really good after Cousins deal but if its a swap not as appealing since Bulls would still be pretty bad after this trade) over Bradley who has played very well and is still relatively young.
20 Feb 2017 21:39:23
jaw457, Bulls do that in a heartbeat. Ill gladly take a competitor in smart, a lottery ticket in okafor, and a guaranteed top 3-4 pick, oh and the rights to swap with the most dysfunctional franchise in sports for Butler.
20 Feb 2017 22:22:51
Boston would like Butler but smart wouldn't be included.
The line in the sand is 17 Brooklyn pick, Bradley and Crowder.
21 Feb 2017 01:04:02
Both the 2018 bkn and 2019 sacramento are thier actual picks and not swaps.
21 Feb 2017 02:10:45
If Bulls are trading Butler and starting rebuild, why would they want a package centered on 2 players about to be 27 and get paid?
I think Brown or Smart has to be in the deal w/ '17 Nets pick.
21 Feb 2017 03:03:31
Why would Boston want to trade Brown and Smart if they could get Butler for Bradley and Crowder who are under very good contracts and starters and possibly the #1 pick? And honestly, DA wouldn't give up Smart or Brown. which is why if they do make a deal I hope it's with the Suns for Chandler and P J Tucker for Johnson, Bradley young and a non Brkln pick.
21 Feb 2017 03:55:56
Philly owns the 2019 SAC pick outright. Bradley is good, but he won't get you that pick PLUS Okafor.
20 Feb 2017 16:54:00
A 3 team trade that benefits all involved.
BOS- Jimmy Butler
CHI- Marcus Smart, Jalil Okafor, Jonas Jerebko, 2018 BRK swap (from BOS), 2019 SAC swap (from PHI)
PHI- Avery Bradley
20 Feb 2017 17:05:12
I think if boston males it 2017 nets pick instead of 2018, this trade may work. That 2019 unprotected kings #1 just increased in value bigtime.
20 Feb 2017 17:35:22
The value uptick of the Sacramento pick makes this a no from philly I would think.
20 Feb 2017 17:48:16
Now that Boogie is off the shelf, if Boston keeps that pick they'll be jammed at guard position which will not only mess up their future plans but their plans now. They picked Brown at the 3 pick last yr because they want him as part of their future. Unless of course they plan on trading IT4 on draft night if they get the #1 pick and then they'd take Alonzo Ball.
If Boston stands pat then I think they're waiting to see what their pick will be on draft night. Then make a deal for Butler.
20 Feb 2017 16:20:39
Now that the pick swap and 2019 pick became more valuable let's make a deal
Henderson Okafor Sixers 2018 first and Kings 2019 First
20 Feb 2017 16:48:29
The 2017 pick would have to be involved.
20 Feb 2017 16:59:44
If boston tries to squeeze bulls so "Danny boy" can win the trade, bulls may find this as a more attractive offer. Having said this, I still think Boston can put together a better offer then the sixers proposed offer above. But as a sixer fan, this would be a trememdous trade.
20 Feb 2017 15:44:53
Philly gets: Darrin Collison
Sacramento gets: Jamal Okafor
20 Feb 2017 15:50:48
Philly may trade Jamal Okafor for Collison but I certainly can't imagine them trading Jahlil Okafor for Collison who is an expiring contract.
20 Feb 2017 15:54:10
Sac already has Koufos, WCS, Papagiankolous, and Skai as young bigs . No need for Okafor.
20 Feb 2017 17:55:28
None of the bigs they currently have should negate them from making a move.
20 Feb 2017 19:40:32
Jamal! Lol! Jamal is better than Jahlil I'll tell you that.
20 Feb 2017 13:40:08
PHI: A.Afflalo + T.Jones
MIN: S.Rodriguez + N.Noel + D.Collison
20 Feb 2017 14:09:54
Sixers decline. Affalo is old and not very good. T. Jones is another big man not needed. Makes zero sense for philly.
20 Feb 2017 17:18:10
Tyus Jones is a point guard. I like this but Philly would need more back.
20 Feb 2017 18:02:10
Tyus Jones is a dleague talent at best. Rodriguez is a bum and I'd still rather have him.
22 Feb 2017 21:19:55
U obviously aren't paying attention tyus is a winner. makes winning plays every opportunity he gets which isn't much considering Thibs is force feeding Dunn.
20 Feb 2017 13:29:58
So Sacramento trades Cousins for B Hield , galloway and a first round pick.
Why doesn't Boston offer one Nets picks?
Boston: D Cousins
Sac: 1rnd pick Nets+ A Johnson
20 Feb 2017 14:42:43
Kings organization is bad.
20 Feb 2017 14:54:36
Ya if I were Celtics I would've offered more in a heart beat. Based off that offer the Brooklyn 2018 pick and Jaylen Brown likely would've been enough. However, obviously Boston didn't feel comfortable with Cousins attitude or his willingness to resign in Boston so they didn't go that direction.
They also rumored to be more serious about Butler who is signed longer term. I could understand that sentiment but I think they need a big man more than a wing and I can't believe they didn't bite for that price.
20 Feb 2017 15:03:22
Kings probably wanted Bradley, Smart or Crowder plus Brkln pick. Which Boston should have done.
Or maybe Divac just didn't want to deal with Boston. Odd!
20 Feb 2017 18:11:09
Because ainge needs to be the clear winner to do any deal. I oyldnt want to deal with him either.
20 Feb 2017 06:16:07
Kings get Enes Kanter
Thunder get Tyreke Evans and Kosta Koufas
20 Feb 2017 06:38:15
Kings don't have any particular need for cap space (don't think any player would want to play for that franchise) but I think they'd prefer the flexibility it provides over this trade.
20 Feb 2017 06:10:53
NOP/ WAS/ PHX
If the rest of the NBA had the same trade logic as the Kings
NOP get: Wall, Booker, Bledsoe
WAS: Frazier, Montejunas, Pondexter, Moore, Ajinca, 1 Future NOP 1st, 1 Future NOP 2nd
PHX get: Holiday, Cunningham, Asik, Diallo Hill, Casspi, 1 Future NOP 1st, 1 Future NOP 2nd
Sign Coach Cal
Sign Aaron Harrison
Sign Alex Poythress
Sign Archie Goodwin
Sign Dakari Johnson
Sign Marquis Teague
Sign Doron Lamb
Sign Darius Miller
Wildcats (I mean Pelicans) :
Bledsoe/ Harrison/ Lamb
Booker/ Poythress/ Miller
Don't hate. Just laugh and imagine how crazy this would be.
20 Feb 2017 07:16:04
You forgot about MKG.
20 Feb 2017 05:57:04
Kings are expected to waive Langston Galloway....instead
Kings get 2021 2nd round pick
Cavs get Langston Galloway
20 Feb 2017 06:27:55
Galloway's salary makes this not possible.