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01 May 2019 19:00:42
Pelicans offseason.

I saw a couple of trades that Bleacher Report had put out for Holiday and Davis.

Orlando gets Holiday
NO gets Bamba, Fultz, Mozgov and the 2019 Magic pick (16).

Boston gets Davis
NO gets Smart, Brown, Tatum and the Celtics 2019 pick (22).

In this situation I would be looking to draft a couple of guards and a PF to replace the departed, and then loving what I have gotten in return. I figure take a couple of home run swings and a safe pick in Garland (7), Hachimura (16) and Porter Jr (22)

That would leave you with a very interesting young team of:

PG: Smart, Garland, Fultz
SG: Brown, Moore, Porter Jr
SF: Tatum, Hill
PF: Randle, Hachimura
C: Bamba, Mozgov

You'd also have some money to play with filling out some of the rest of the depth chart. I would want to bring in another center as I don't trust Mozgov at all, but you could play Tatum or Hill at the 4 and move Randle to a small ball 5.

Do I think either of these will happen? Probably not. I think Holiday will fetch slightly more, and I don't think Boston will give that much up for Davis (I'm still a really big believer in Brown).

If it does though, you have potential stars at every position and down the depth chart.


1.) 01 May 2019 21:56:20
I personally believe that only one of Brown or Tatum will be in the deal, not both. with whatever else. Plus, in my mind, Hayward is becoming an untouchable.

2.) 02 May 2019 00:01:11
Celtics max offer for Davis would probably be Smart, plus either Tatum or Brown, plus two No. 1s. Boston might sweeten the pot if Davis and Irving both sign long-term.

3.) 02 May 2019 02:18:12
Wouldn’t that negate that offer as being the max offer? I mean you said it’s the max. Unless a situation happens in which they offer more. Very confusing.



25 Mar 2019 19:23:52
If the Kings pick jumps up to the #2 overall, I think I would rather the Celtics draft Morant than keep Irving. The team seems to play much better without him, and his media comments just kind of drive me crazy. I think Morant, with his scoring ability but passing attitude, would fit the style of play better as well. In this situation I would draft Morant at 2, Bol at 19 and another big at 22. The way he's been playing I don't think Clarke makes it that far, but a guy like Fernando, Porter or maybe even Hayes might be there.

I'd resign Baynes to a $5 mil-ish deal, and try to see if Horford would be willing to take less...somewhere around $20 mil. If he's willing to do that, then the Celtics would have right around $9 mil to bring in another guard...I'd shoot for Beverly, but there's a few guys out there that would be quality additions.

This would leave you with

PG Smart, Morant, Beverly?
SG Brown, Hayward
SF Tatum, Ojeleye
PF Horford, Clarke?, Yabusele
C Baynes, Williams, Bol

That's a lot of young pieces in Smart, Morant, Brown, Tatum, Clarke, Williams and Bol to work with. It's a team that can compete now, and has enough veterans to help the kids learn with a TON of potential for growth.


1.) 25 Mar 2019 23:48:01
Wouldn't worry about that, I'd the pick ends up #2, it will be on the way to New Orleans in a deal for Davis.
I think the pick will be in the deal anyway, but the higher it gets, it lessons what else is in the deal.

2.) 26 Mar 2019 02:54:54
Garland is realistic, not morant.

3.) 28 Mar 2019 11:24:11
Do not think it is feasible. Since Mavs get the lucky #2 pick. : )

4.) 29 Mar 2019 00:31:22
Drainer- don't you mean hawks.



21 May 2018 14:19:58
Min gets Rozier, Yabu, Semi, Sacramento pick, Memphis pick and Clippers pick.

Boston gets Towns.

This is only realistic if Towns really wants out of Minny. Sacramento gets three controllable players and three picks. Rozier has obviously blossomed this season, and could take over as the lead guard next to Butler giving them not only scoring punch, but also some really good defense. Semi has shown that he can be one of those big bodied 3 and D types, and Yabu still has a lot of potential. More importantly, the Sacramento pick should be a top pick next season, and the Memphis pick should be really good down the line. That Clippers pick might wind up being good as well, and they can always throw in one of their own if they need to sweeten the pot.

Towns on the Celtics doesn't need a ton of explanation. It would leave you with Towns, Horford, Hayward, Tatum, Brown and Kyrie as your top six guys. That's absolutely killer. Then you have guys like Theis, Morris, Smart (probably), possibly Baynes, and whoever they draft this season.


That's a championship squad right there.


1.) 21 May 2018 15:22:22
Wolves would want Brown or Tatum included as well. But if DA could swing it Boston would do that trade.

2.) 21 May 2018 16:09:30
do you really think celtics will get towns to that trade? never celtics will need to throw irving or brown or tatum or hayward to trade done.

3.) 22 May 2018 23:08:21
Tatum ++++++ is the starting point I’m sure rozier would have to be included but nothing starts with towns without Tatum I’m pretty sure he’s not going anywhere!



24 May 2017 20:21:41
Talks are that the Knicks want Crowder in any kind of Melo deal. I personally don't want Melo on the Celtics, but I would love to grab Jordan from the Clippers, who would probably love to bring in Melo.

Celtics get Jordan

Clippers get Melo and Bradley

Knicks get Rivers and Crowder

The Celtics get the rebounding and rim protection they so desperately need without sacrificing everything on offense at the 5.
The Clippers get a guy in Melo who should help keep Paul around, as well as a guy in Bradley to replace Redick.
The Knicks get the guy that they want in Crowder, as well as a PG to fill the "loss" of Rose.


1.) 24 May 2017 21:54:08
I like this trade but would definitely try to substitute Smart and a pick for Bradley as they both will be due for pay raises after next year. Also I would think this would try to happen after free agency in hopes that we can land Hayward first and then add on the salary of Jordan.

2.) 25 May 2017 14:56:13
@LarryLegend- so smart and which pick would go to the Clippers?

3.) 25 May 2017 15:23:53
the knicks have no leverage in this melo ordeal. if he's on the roster he's going to play. phil has made it clear he doesn't want him on the roster. they're going to get rid of him one way or another and with melo's no trade clause, he can force his way wherever he wants. he will end up on the clippers and he's not going to have them trade one of their big 3 to do it.

4.) 25 May 2017 15:59:41
I would think Smart and the 53rd. pick.



17 May 2017 14:24:37
If CP3 goes to San Antonio, or anywhere else really.

Boston: Jordan (sign Hayward)

Clippers: Bradley, Crowder, Rozier, Boston 2018 1st round pick.

Boston is likely going to draft Fultz. At that point, they're going to have to do something with the glut of guards. Bradley has shown he's a beast, Crowder is that fantastic glue guy who does everything pretty well, and Rozier has really shown what he can do in this postseason. What they need is rebounding and rim protection. Jordan fits both bills, and they should still have room to sign a max contract in Hayward to man the SF spot.

Thomas/ Jackson
Fultz/ Smart
Hayward/ Brown/ Nader
Horford/ Yabusele/ Mickey
Jordan/ Zizic

The Clippers, on the other hand, are potentially looking at a full scale rebuild. If I'm them, I'm trying to keep myself relevant with the Lakers drafting so much potential star power. If they lose Paul, they're likely to lose Redick, and might lose Griffin as well. In that case, you can use Jordan to bring in players to fill holes in the roster. The key is, you're bringing in all three of those players totaling only 16 million for this season. Paul, Griffin, Redick and Jordan total 71 million this season. They'll finally have the financial flexibility they've been lacking for years. They'd also want to move Rivers and that stupid 11 million contract.


1.) 17 May 2017 14:56:41
I have the celtics signing hayward and trading that pick along with assets for jimmy butler and robin lopez. Giving them a lineup of:

Pg. I. Thomas
Sg. J. Butler
Sf. G. Hayward
Pf. A. Horford
C. R. Lopez.

2.) 17 May 2017 16:29:04
How does Boston pay all these guys and field a respectable bench? They have to resign Thomas at this point right? He's going to get 200 mil.

Are both crowder and Bradley gone at the end of thier contracts? What about smart? All thrse guys will be offered more money elsewhere. right?

3.) 17 May 2017 16:42:55
I tend to like junkies trade. It would put the C's right up there on the luxury threshold for 1 year though. But if your in it to win then it would be worth it. Providing you win. Also If they could swing this without giving up next years Net pick it's makes it more realistic.

No matter how one looks at it Boston will have a completely different team next year outside of IT and Horford.

4.) 17 May 2017 17:52:59
IT is not getting 200 million!

5.) 17 May 2017 19:26:41
IT will be getting the max from somewhere.179 million is the actual amount if we're being a stickler.

My point is moreso that Ainge is going to have to be very creative, and that major parts of thier current team aren't going to be there going forward if they sign/ trade for another max guy.

6.) 17 May 2017 22:21:21
Don't think that is enough to get Jordan but Celtics could really use an upgrade at the center position with some rebounding (Jordan is one of leading rebounders in NBA) .

As many alluded to the issue becomes salary. IT has been the life blood of the team so I find it tough to get rid of him but he is an aging 5ft9 guard and Fultz could potentially step into his role if they did acquire a Hayward/ Butler type that could pickup the primary scorer role. I'm not sure what his value is like but I think Horford would be a natural option to shop. Although extremely skilled he has a large contract, getting up there in age and is a bit of a tweener at this point in his career. If they added another star to IT I think he becomes an expensive 3rd option. Bradley I think also sadly has to go since they simply won't be able to afford him if they add another big name.




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15 May 2019 14:43:51
The Pelicans getting that top pick throws a whole wrench in the offseason.
Does New Orleans try to Keep Davis with Zion? I'm sure they'd like to, but it doesn't sound like that's enough to keep Davis around.
Does New Orleans move Davis to get additional young pieces and start over? Probably, and that's great if Williams pans out.
The one interesting thought I had is what if they traded that pick away for an asset that makes Davis want to stay? Everyone has talked about a Kyrie/Davis team up in Boston, but would he be willing to do it in New Orleans? I think that they would probably rather have the guarantee of Davis than the probably of Zion.

This would obviously have to be a sign and trade type situation which couldn't happen until after the draft, but Boston could move Kyrie and one of their picked players for Zion and bad contracts like Hill or something along those lines.

New Orleans would then have a really good big three of Kyrie/Holiday/Davis, a group Kyrie would likely fit with a lot better than the group in Boston.

Boston would have a young core of Tatum/Brown/Zion, who could be a scary big three of their own in the not too distant future, along with Smart, Horford and Hayward right now.

It's something that's not likely to happen, but it does add another little wrinkle to the Davis conversation.


1.) 15 May 2019 15:23:21
Kyrie isn’t getting you Zion. He’s a malcontent with huge injury concerns. It’s more realist that they could sign and trade him for Holiday.

2.) 15 May 2019 20:08:39
No one is trading the #1 pick in a S&T. Just no.

3.) 16 May 2019 13:59:10
I would usually agree that the #1 wouldn't be traded in that manner, but the Davis situation makes this one unique. You wouldn't be trading it just for Kyrie, you'd essentially be trading it for him and Davis. Now, that's not really the whole deal, it would really be the two of them for the #1 and whatever assets you now wouldn't be getting back in a Davis trade, but it's a very unique situation. It's also not something that would be unique to the Celtics. Just about any team that has a star that should really think about rebuilding would be in the same boat as well.



14 May 2018 16:50:12
I just wanted to revisit this potential trade I've seen a few times on here and see what side of the fence people are falling on.

What I've seen is Tatum, Brown, Rozier and usually a pick from Boston for the Spurs' Leonard.

I've personally been against it, as I think Brown and Tatum can each be as good a player as Leonard, and I think people are finally starting to see that potential. To be clear, this is not me thinking Leonard isn't great, he's a very good player. I just think Brown and Tatum have the chance to be really special as well, and I'm already drooling over a potential Irving/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Horford death lineup.

Most folks seem to have been pretty solidly on the "do that trade for Leonard" side, but I have to think that the last few weeks have to have swung that back to at least even...thoughts?


1.) 14 May 2018 17:32:16
There is no way that deal goes down. Absolutely none. In fact, the Celtics might not do Tatum for Leonard even up.
No one knows what's going on in Leonard's mind, and if he has no problem screwing over the Spurs, he might do the same to Boston. Plus, he'll demand a max deal -- which would make it impossible to re-sign Kyrie Irving.
Maybe the Spurs could get Irving or Brown for Leonard. Or Rozier and a pick. But three starters and a pick? Not even close.

2.) 14 May 2018 17:59:44
Agree with collider, salary alone makes this deal unreasonable given the performance of the celts. Maybe Hayward straight up. I would wait and see how good Hayward is first though. Celts are really good.

3.) 15 May 2018 02:52:56
no way brown and tatum, toughest part is c’s matching kawhi salary, hayward horford irving have to be off the table, and those are their only 3 salaries over 10 mil. i think tatum+morris+rozier gets you to the 75%, i'd take that for kawhi if a better offer doesn't come thru.

4.) 15 May 2018 05:07:00
Hayward and a pick. I say sorry Stevens we getting Leonard.

5.) 15 May 2018 10:23:15
Boston should keep Tatum and Brown, they could trade Hayward for Leonard.

6.) 16 May 2018 22:19:59
Hayward Irving for Leonard Mills.



22 Jun 2017 16:49:39
Not a trade, but I just wanted to gauge how happy people would be if the dominoes all fell correctly and Ball wound up not getting picked by the Lakers, falling to Orlando or Minny later on. He's already been recruiting LeBron to a team he's not even on.


1.) 22 Jun 2017 17:02:42
Anything that gets Lavar to shut his mouth makes the world a better place.




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26 Jul 2019 20:03:00
Other than the fact they can't shoot threes, I don't see a ton of similarity in DeRozan and Turner. DeRozan is a scorer. He does it slashing and in the mid-range. Turner is best as a distributor. He also does his damage inside the arc, but where DeRozan is looking to score, Turner is taking advantage of whatever comes to him. He's more of a backup PG type player whereas DeRozan really is a SG.




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26 Jul 2019 19:53:52
I don't think I would put him that high yet. He's definitely a talented kid, but 25 is a little crazy at this point.




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11 Jul 2019 19:29:13
That's a hell no from Boston. They're thinking Edwards will fill that bench scoring PG role that Rozier was filling.




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10 Jun 2019 23:43:23
I don't know why the Wolves would do this other than selling tickets. LeBron is not the guy who can drag a team through the playoffs anymore. He wasn't even able to get a relatively talented but young team TO the playoffs this year. He would do even worse with the group the Wolves have around Towns. Then they give up the 11th pick in addition to that? Unless they're willing to give up their immediate future just to force LeBron to retire, this makes no sense.




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08 Jun 2019 14:35:55
If that was going to get #6 for the Spurs, I've got Rozier and the 22nd on standby. I'll even throw in a bridge or two.





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16 May 2019 13:59:10
I would usually agree that the #1 wouldn't be traded in that manner, but the Davis situation makes this one unique. You wouldn't be trading it just for Kyrie, you'd essentially be trading it for him and Davis. Now, that's not really the whole deal, it would really be the two of them for the #1 and whatever assets you now wouldn't be getting back in a Davis trade, but it's a very unique situation. It's also not something that would be unique to the Celtics. Just about any team that has a star that should really think about rebuilding would be in the same boat as well.




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04 Feb 2019 18:03:50
This is a move I could see KD doing actually, depending on how Denver does this postseason. He's not going to go to a "ready made" team like he did with the Warriors, and I don't see him going to a terrible team. The Knicks and Nets are definitely a possibility (or should be) based on the market and situation, but there really aren't any other teams I can see him getting both big market and success without looking like he's hopping on another train like he did with the Warriors. If Denver doesn't make some serious noise without him, he could be the guy that comes in and really puts them over the top. He would immediately become the biggest star they've ever had (with apologies to Alex English, Early Melo, Later Iverson or I guess. Fat Lever? ) and could lead them to a championship with that roster. I think it could be a fantastic move for him both from a basketball sense and a PR sense.




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30 Jan 2019 16:22:51
It will be more wide open, but you're definitely still going to be left with the Haves and Have-Nots. You shouldn't be stuck with the same teams in the Finals every year, but (unless they all team up again in different cities) you'll probably look more like the East across the board. 5 or so teams that are in the hunt, and then everyone else who's just kind of there, with a few who are terrible.




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26 Jan 2019 17:02:14
That's a great trade for the Kings. which means I as a Celtics fan don't want it to happen haha. They can turn into a smart/ good team next year after that pick transfers.

I actually don't like it a ton for the Wizards. Bringing in DSJ and a few of those Kings players is great, although I think they can get much more for Beal, but if I'm them I want NOTHING to do with Wiggins. He's got GOBS of talent, but he just looks lazy out there. He reminds me of Jeff Green. a guy with all the ability in the world who never becomes better than an OK starter, except even more talented, and so even more frustrating. If they're going to work out of their current issues, I would try to move Wall somewhere else.




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10 Jan 2019 13:31:39
He's not a terrible backup plan, but I think this move is more for organizational shooting depth. I think Terry will only be moved if it's for a big time piece coming back, or if he's not planning on returning (and Boston wouldn't want to match money) .