18 May 2022 03:22:03
Knicks/Pistons/Blazers
Knicks get Olynyk 5 pick
Pistons get Randle & Brown III 11 pick 2023 first round pick(Top 10 protected).via Mavericks from Knicks 2025 first round pick(Top 4 protected).via Bucks swap with Pelicans from Blazers
Blazers get Grant
18 May 2022 04:44:35
bro hell no. the Pistons are now going after DeAndre Ayton full force.
Grant to Portland for #7 is probably more likely.
only way Detroit trades 5 is to move UP, not down, and definitely not to 2023 and no 2025 crap.
hope that Jaden Ivey drops to 5, draft Mathurin or Griffin with 7 and sign Ayton.
Cunningham
Ivey
Mathurin or Griffin
Bey
Ayton.
18 May 2022 04:44:35
bro hell no. the Pistons are now going after DeAndre Ayton full force.
Grant to Portland for #7 is probably more likely.
only way Detroit trades 5 is to move UP, not down, and definitely not to 2023 and no 2025 crap.
hope that Jaden Ivey drops to 5, draft Mathurin or Griffin with 7 and sign Ayton.
Cunningham
Ivey
Mathurin or Griffin
Bey
Ayton.
18 May 2022 05:08:35
Blazers ain’t trading their lottery pick for one year rental bro be realistic.
18 May 2022 05:59:42
Jerami Grant is eligible for a 4 yr 112 mil contract extension after the '22-'23 season, which is good value for what he brings. Jerami will probably sign that deal as soon as he lands in Portland to play with his best friend Dame for the next 4 years.
if Portland had a top 3 pick in this draft then they say no way. but in this particular draft, the talent drops off quite a bit after the top 3. so at 7 Portland would NOT get Grant production at least not right away.
the Pistons kinda got screwed in the lottery but they need young talent plain and simple. building around Cunningham is the main goal and taking a chance on 2 young guys is almost as good as getting a sure thing. Grant is a valuable trade asset. the Pistons could compensate not landing top 3 by having 5 and 7, which in this draft class seems like almost identical value.
Pistons can then possibly have Ivey fall to 5 best case scenario, then take a SF like Griffin or Mathurin at 7.
they are expected to heavily pursue DeAndre Ayton this offseason and Vegas has the Pistons as the top landing spot for him. it seems as the sour end to Phoenix's season combined with Detroit missing out on Chet or Paolo that perhaps the basketball gods are saying Detroit and Ayton are meant to happen.
the Pistons can offer 29 mil 1st year with a 5 mil increase per year over a 5 year span. Ayton took a backseat as a scorer in Phoenix and i think that he knows and Detroit knows that if he is a #1 scoring option then the rest of his potential can be tapped that made him a #1 overall pick. the pick and roll game with Cade/ Ayton would be nasty!
18 May 2022 11:58:47
Agree that Detroit offers max to Ayton
Agree that Grant is not getting the #7 pick in draft.
Curious to see if Portland trades down with Charlotte (for Duren), drafts a big @ #13 (Williams? ), and then trades #15 to Detroit or Grant.
18 May 2022 13:33:47
Absolutely, positively, no circumstance that I’d give up 7 for Grant. Just no.
The best Portland should do is Keon Johnson and the 2025 Bucks pick. And I doubt Detroit could do better than that.
As for Ayton, you’d probably have to give Phoenix pick 5 to convince them to not match.
18 May 2022 14:23:14
Also, strong possibility someone trades up to #4 for Ivey. New Orleans? New York? Washington?
18 May 2022 17:19:21
Keon Johnson and a 2025 scrap pick? you are actually saying this with a straight face?
18 May 2022 17:28:57
That’s Grant’s value. If Portland offers that as a maximum, where else are you looking for a lottery pick or high end asset for Grant? Where is it coming from?
Yeah, a future first and a decent young player is the best I see Detroit getting.
I think Detroit fans might overvalue Grant a whooooole bunch of 7 is a minimum they’d take.
18 May 2022 17:36:14
I don’t think I would give a top 10 pick for someone who’s never been an all-star or someone I don’t seeing being a top 3 option on a championship team (maybe at best he’s a low end 3rd option)
Maybe Hornets would package something around Hayward and 13 for Grant?
Cavs with Markannen and 14?
18 May 2022 17:58:57
the chatter is Bledsoe, Keon Johnson AND #7 for Grant. you must view Jerami as a bonafide piece of garbage if you place his value THAT low. you are implying that his trade value is lower than players like Buddy Hield or even an "as is" Jonathan Isaac.
Bmiller i know you hate Detroit but come on ripping them off is not nice they already got screwed over enough. i am being realistic.
Lillard WANTS Grant. if Portland does not get him, Lillard COULD ask to be traded.
right now Jerami Grant is the ONE guy in the NBA that could stand between contending in the west and a full blown rebuild in Portland. i think Detroit holds all the chips in this trade and if they want Keon and 7, Portland will have to decide if keeping Keon and #7 is worth losing their superstar PG and initiating reboot sequence.
this story has a lot more to it than people think. its not that Portland wants/ needs a PF. its that they specifically want Grant. he is NOT a rental, he WOULD sign there, he would contribute and improve Portland's team. sure they could trade with Charlotte for 15. but then Detroit could say "if you try to give us 15 we will just keep Grant to ourselves" and Lillard would end up furious at the front office that keeping a 7th pick in a "no sure thing after top 3" draft is worth more to them than bringing in a guy that HE ASKED FOR SPECIFICALLY its not like we are forcing Grant on Portland.
Blazer fans may or may not understand that when you have a superstar and you are trying to keep him happy and not have him publicly request a trade, sacrificing a throw in (Keon) a salary dump (Bledsoe) and #7 is more than reasonable from a business standpoint.
if Portland wants to keep 7 THAT badly then they could S/ T Simons for Grant that is the only other option.
also Portland could get Olynyk if they want him since he is available.
the Phoenix asking for #5 is funny. Detroit can just offer him a contract that Phoenix will not want to match, especially given the circumstances of their season and the way it ended. they are NOT using Ayton to his fullest potential which leads most to believe they don't view him as a long term piece for the amount of money he will command. Detroit has the most cap space and if they trade Grant/ Olynyk it opens it up even more. money talks in sports much louder than any person can
unless your intention is to blatantly rip off and disrespect Detroit (which is getting old btw)
18 May 2022 18:32:39
The thing about Grant is how much does he actually improve Portland? Unless Portland makes another big move in FA I think it’s a waste to use the 7th pick for Grant. At best a lineup around Lillard, Simons, and Grant and a 6-8 seed in the west and definitely not a contender, which puts them right back where they always use to be.
Now I think something around Hart (pick up option) Johnson and a future 1st is pretty good for both sides imo. That still gives the Pistons a very solid young wing, a high end defensive prospect and another 1st to make a move in the future.
That also gives Portland to make another big move using Bledsoe‘s salary filling contact and 7 to go get a big.
18 May 2022 18:49:06
It's kinda funny that Grant for #10 was a thing when Portland had two lottery picks. Now, iFroth now believes that Grant's "value" has increased to #7. The homerism is strong in that one.
18 May 2022 19:12:26
Simons for Grant is worse. i'd want Detroit's pick for that swap. Because Simons has way more value than Grant.
The chatter around Detroit might be that. Not in Portland. Heck, I think it’s 50/ 50 if theyd even give up Keon and the Bucks pick for him.
Grant is NOT standing between anything and contending. He’s a nice player. He’s not an all star caliber player.
And I don’t hate Detroit. I have no feelings at all for Detroit, positive or negative. They just exist. They’re like the Pacers or Kings or Hornets (or probably Blazers to most of the fans of other teams) . They’re not a hated franchise or loved. They just are.
And yeah, Phoenix can’t let Ayton walk. They just can’t. Why not match and then flip him as soon as he can be? It would be infinitely better than letting him walk.
18 May 2022 20:58:46
Is it me or it just makes more sense long term for Portland to draft some like Duren at #7 and then sign Grant after next year when he is a free agent?
18 May 2022 22:40:49
I really wasn’t sure about the NO pick for Grant, but I figured if they kept their pick, it wasn’t a bad move.
Portland just can’t give the best pick they’ve had in almost a decade for a non all star.
18 May 2022 23:04:19
Detroit can just sign Grant to a 4 year extension and say forget any trades involving him.
if Damian Lillard demands a trade if the Blazers miss the playoffs next season, don't get mad at him for it.
19 May 2022 01:21:06
Sure, keep him. It seemed like Detroit was set on letting him go, and I don’t think he really wants to stay there. But yeah, keep him, extend him.
If Dame leaves, he leaves. Making a bad trade to appease him for 1 year is just a terrible long term idea.