Miami Heat Rumours

17 Aug 2017 15:19:38
What if??
Kyrie goes to Spurs in 3 team deal involving aldridge (send back to Portland)

Melo goes to Rockets with Paul and Harden

Davis goes to Celtics with Thomas

Westbrook, George and Love(via trade) to Lakers with Lonzo Ball and Ingram

LeBron, Wade and Rose teaming up with Whiteside, Dragic and Winslow in Miami

DAndre Jordan to Bucks with Giannis, Brogdon and Middleton

Cousins to Wizards, reuniting with Wall

Nba top East teams would be Heat, Celtics, Wizards, Bucks, Raptors and Sixers

Nba top West teams would be Warriors, Spurs, Rockets, Lakers, Wolves and Blazers

17 Aug 2017 15:51:54
Ok, how about proposing an actual trade.

17 Aug 2017 16:12:39
I see. And the other teams are just going to hand over their Superstars because we need 12 teams to have all the talent. try posting a trade idea instead of a "what if"

17 Aug 2017 16:34:23
The Spurs really don't have much of value to offer the Cavs and I don't see Portland being willing to give up much for Aldridge.

Melo to Houston still could happen, but at this point it seems like a long shot. Unless either Ny or Houston drastically change their stances it doesn't even seem close.

The Celtics would have to offer NO something ridiculous to even make it a conversation. From the Pelicans stand point, why trade Davis right now?

Outside of Ingram and Ball, what would the Lakers have that the Cavs would be interested in? They would have to let Randle walk to sign the first two and would almost certainly have to include Deng in any trade for Love. It's not happening.

Riley screwed over Wade 2 years ago. I don't see him or Lebron being willing to go back.

I' don't see Jordan being a player that Milwaukee really needs. They're already a long team that's solid on defense. They need more shooting.

The Wizards are capped out for the next few years and don't have many valuable assets out side of Wall and Beal, I'm not sure how they would end up with Cousins.

16 Aug 2017 23:45:49
NY: LBJ+ Bledsoe+ 1rnd pick Miami 2018

Phoe: K Love+Irving

Cleveland:Porzingis+ Ntilikina+ J Jackson+Bender+ t Chandler+ J Noah+ C Lee

17 Aug 2017 01:19:47
Hmm different.

17 Aug 2017 01:27:39
LeBron for 1 yr is better Porzingis for 10 more. CP3 Wade will find their way.

CP3/ Session/ Baker
Wade/ Dotson/ Randle
Melo/ Kuzminkas/ Beasley
LeBron/ Beasley/ Kornet
O'Quinn/ Bosh/ Plumlee

😀.

16 Aug 2017 05:08:47
Cavs-Suns


Cavs get Eric Bledsoe, Josh Jackson, Tyson Chandler, and Miami's 2018 1st

Suns get Kyrie Irving, Iman Shumpert, and Channing Frye.

16 Aug 2017 06:28:26
How many times does phoenix have to turn this down before people get the pic. Their not giving up Jackson. They turned it down on draft night, and over the summer.

16 Aug 2017 07:00:46
Shump and Frye are not selling the Suns on giving up Jackson, period.

15 Aug 2017 14:35:05
MIA-CLE-NYK-DET trade

Miami gets- Kyrie Irving

Cleveland gets- Carmelo Anthony, Goran Dragic, Justice Winslow, Luke Kennard, Bam Adebayo

New York gets- Tobias Harris

Detroit gets- Kevin Love

Whats your thoughts?

15 Aug 2017 15:35:33
Moving Love for Melo still doesn't make sense for the Cavs. It makes less sense now than before. The Cavs need some continuity and Love can't walk at the end of the year. So theoretically, if Lebron walks, the Cavs can still use Love to add to whatever young talent they get out of Irving.

I also don't think that deal for Irving is as good as the Phoenix deal.

15 Aug 2017 17:15:09
So now your hopes are to build around Kevin love? Worked well for the wolves.

15 Aug 2017 17:44:08
No, I don't think they should build around Love. I think they should keep him this year and if Lebron walks trade him for picks and/ or young players.

13 Aug 2017 13:17:20
Who wins/ loses in trade? Who accepts/ doesn't?

Cavs Phx LAC Det

Phx receives
Irving
Rivers

Phoenix obviously does this to get what they want in Kyrie with the package of Bledsoe Chandler and Bender plus the picks. Knight value dropped big time since the injury and is a chance to get rid of his contract. Plus Rivers comes in as a similar style back up and can play now.

Det receives
Love
T. Chandler

Detroit gives up Drummond and Smith but gets Love who offensively we know helps the Pistons big time along with Harris and Chandler replaces Drummonds big body and rebounding and defensive role.

LAC receives
Thompson
Shumpert
Bender
Ish Smith
2018 first round from Phoenix
2021 first round from Phoenix(Miami pick)

^^^ Clippers lose Jordan and Rivers and gain Thompson who does a lot of what Jordan did at a reduced price. Shumpert and Smith are both solid rotational players. Bender still has potential and the two first round picks addition sets the course for the future while the whole package adds depth.

Cavs receive
Jordan
Drummond
Bledsoe
Knight

^^^ Yes I believe the Cavs would want to do this because of the value they receive. Plus a starting line up of Bledsoe, Rose, James, Drummond, Jordan would defensively help stop GS. I understand the 4th quarter problem though. Still believe with the lack of value they seem to be receiving for Irving, this maximizes the most of what the Cavs can get talent wise.

13 Aug 2017 17:42:07
No sense for the Cavs. Jordan and Drummond can't play on the court at the same time. Neither can shoot, or defend the pick and roll. Both would just clog up the offensive lane, limiting what slashers like Bron, Rose and Bledsoe do well. And then there's the whole foul shot thing. Two starters who shoot around 40% from the line is a disaster.

14 Aug 2017 23:33:48
Terrible trade for cavs to get jordan and drummond. that's the opposite of what you want vs golden state. Bledsoe rose and lebron all like to drive and the lane would be way to clogged thus limiting all their game. You also need shooters in todays nba to win. And defensive rose isn't good and neither of drummond and deandre would be able to guard small ball 4's.

09 Aug 2017 22:59:47
Cavs get Conley gasol Winslow
Grizzlies get smith dragic Jefferson adebayo white
Heat get Irving frye felder Baldwin Tavares

Sign Ellis bogut Allen mirotic lee

Conley rose Calderon
Winslow shumpert Ellis
James korver Allen
Love mirotic lee
Gasol Thompson bogut

10 Aug 2017 03:54:22
Grizzlies fan Matt lmao.

09 Aug 2017 16:52:54
CLEVELAND trade kyrie Irving to the Miami heat for goran dragic, justice winslow two protected first round picks

09 Aug 2017 18:10:19
The Heat can't trade a pick for something like the next 4 years.

09 Aug 2017 22:32:13
You're correct rkenne, but it's actually five.

2018 to Phoenix
2019 and 2020 is there's, but they can't move either that 2020 or 2022 as 2021 is gone to Phoenix as well

It's 2023 before they can deal it, which is not exactly an attractive piece coming back for Irving.

08 Aug 2017 10:47:07
Heat-Cavs-Bulls

Heat acquire K.Irving , R.Lopez , P.Zipser & 2nd round pick from Bulls

Irving-Johnson
Waiters-Richardson-Ellington
Zipser-McGruder
Johnson-Olynyk-Haslem
Lopez-Adebayo

Cavs acquire G.Dragic , H.Whiteside & 1st round pick from Bulls

Dragic-Rose-Calderon
Shumpert-Smith
James-Korver-Jefferson
Love-Green
Whiteside-Frye-Tavares

Bulls acquire J.Winslow & T.Thompson

Dunn-Payne
Wade-LaVine
Winslow-Valentine
Portis-Mirotic
Thompson-Felicio

08 Aug 2017 18:06:10
Lmao we not giving up dragic whiteside and winslow for kyrie. The most we will give is dragic and winslow and a pick.

07 Aug 2017 15:38:47
Knick/cavs/suns/rockets

Knicks get Thompson, Knight and shumpert and first round pick from the rockets

Cavs get bledsoe chandler. Blender and Miami pick.

Suns get kyrie and Anderson,and Ariza

Rockets get Melo and Tj Warren.

07 Aug 2017 15:53:57
If the Cavs cans already get all of that, except Chandler for Irving straight up why do this? Also, I'm not sure how the Suns end up giving up Warren just to get back a bad contract and a player that doesn't fit their time frame.
Houston isn't really giving up much of value here. Even if the Suns were willing to part with Warren, there is no way Houston should be getting him.

07 Aug 2017 21:35:07
Knicks again clearly say no.

04 Aug 2017 17:34:38
Phoenix Suns moves


-Renounce rights to Alex Len

-Sign Nerlens Noel 3yr 55m (player option)

•Trade Eric Bledsoe, Dragan Bender, Elijah Millsap, Derrick Jones jr, and Miami's 2018 1st to Cleveland for Kyrie Irving and Channing Frye

•Suns-Twolves-Kings trade
SUNS get Garrett Temple
TWOLVES get Jared Dudley
KINGS get Cole Aldrich and a 2nd rd pick (via Twolves)

-Sign Greivis Vasquez 1yr minimum

Lineup:
PG: Irving, Ulis, Knight (hurt)
SG: Booker, Temple, Vasquez
SF: Jackson, Warren, Reed
PF: Chriss, Williams, Peters
C: Noel, Chandler, Frye.

04 Aug 2017 22:14:29
I like the trade for Irving (although not sure Millsap and Jones are necessary since Cavs don't really have roster spots for them and just waiving them is expensive with them deep in luxury tax) . Moving Dudley for Temple isn't a bad move and they could also try to send him to Cavs for Shumpert.

I'm not crazy about the Noel signing. It isn't awful but Suns aren't going to be a playoff team with or without him so I think they'd be better off being patient and maybe targeting a more impactful player next offseason as well as improve their pick by having slightly worse record. If they make the move for Irving I think the Suns will have to explore more aggressive moves including their remaining picks, young players and salary space if they want a real shot at keeping him for more than 2 years when NY will likely be more attractive than it is now (can't get worse) .

05 Aug 2017 03:27:12
No point to sign Noel. Dallas will match it.

05 Aug 2017 21:35:43
Cavs say no . Bledsoe, warren and
M. chriss gets it done .

04 Aug 2017 14:11:14
Cavs want Beldsoe, Booker and Jackson
Suns doesn't want to trade Booker and Jackson

Why not trade Bledsoe plus 3 1st rd picks..

But the Knicks got me intruiging Melo wants to go to Rockets or Cavs but after Kyrie told that he wants to go to Spurs, Heat, Wolves or Knicks he suddenly backouts and wanted to be traded to Rockets only..

Think Melo think!! The odds on getting you to finals is 90%..

04 Aug 2017 15:26:09
Getting to the Finals is not a priority for Anthony.

04 Aug 2017 23:04:33
There is no need for Suns to include Booker or Jackson. Even without them Suns are likely still the best trade partner the Cavs have especially with Twolves likely out of it with their attempts to resign Wiggins. Unless another team steps up Cavs don't have much leverage especially since they likely want to deal Irving before the start of the season and Suns aren't confined to any sort of timeline.

I'm not that concerned about the Melo saga. I don't think he'll win a ring with Rockets or Cavs so he might as well just do whatever makes him happy (celebrating just getting to the finals in a weak eastern conference in a team that has done it consistently the past few years isn't much of an accomplishment for Melo)

03 Aug 2017 08:18:23
Cavs-Suns


Cavs get Eric Bledsoe, Dragan Bender, Elijah Millsap (non-guaranteed, Cavs waive him) and Miami 2018 1st

Suns get Kyrie Irving and Channing Frye.

03 Aug 2017 21:37:13
I think that is a very reasonable trade. If I were Cavs however, I think I may prefer Chriss over Bender since Chriss is more seasoned (started 75 games last year) and I think would be more able to contribute now and is a lot less of a risk while still having decent upside. Obviously Cavs should try to get more (maybe the other 2021 Miami pick or another future pick, include Warren or Dudley/ Chandler for Shumpert) but if I were them I'd feel alright about this return.

This trade would be tremendous for the Suns since they get Irving and keep Booker, Jackson and their pick for next year (which should fall in top 10 even with addition of Irving) . I'm not sure if I were Suns if I'd prefer to keep Chriss or Bender (Bender has more upside but Chriss less risk which is probably what they should lean toward since they don't need a star next to Irving, Booker and Jackson just a solid player) . Suns still have plenty of assets to make moves and try to clear salary to make a run at a major FA next summer to build a team with an interesting mix of youth and talent.

I think Suns really should go for Irving. Its rare a player this good and this young is available so he'd present the perfect opportunity for them to consolidate their assets (and get a great return on Bledsoe who probably isn't part of their big picture) without sacrificing a significant part of their future since he is still young. I know Suns wanted a guarantee that Irving would stay but Suns need to have some faith in themselves that they can build a team around Irving that will be good and he'll be the focal point of which is what he really wants. Even if he does leave I think its worth the risk and Suns would still be in a very good spot with Booker and Jackson 2 years older and likely capable and more than willing to step into larger roles.

02 Aug 2017 18:01:27
3 way trade between Cavs, Celtics, Suns

Cavs trade: Kyrie Irving
Cavs receive: Eric Bledsoe, JoshJackson, Heat pick

Suns Trade: Eric Bledsoe, Josh Jackson, Dragen Bender, and
Heat pick
Suns get: Kyrie Irving and Jaylen Brown

Celtics trade: Jaylen Brown
Celtics get: Dragen Bender.

02 Aug 2017 19:19:35
Suns don't want to give up Josh Jackson.

02 Aug 2017 19:32:38
If the Celtics wanted Dragen Bender they would have drafted him last year. He has not done anything that has changed their minds that he is better then Brown.

02 Aug 2017 19:36:26
That's why I had them getting Jaylen Brown.

02 Aug 2017 20:19:43
They were interested in Bender during the draft but went with Jaylen Brown because they had a needed more wings and Bender was a bit of a unknown and Brown has high upside but Celtics now have Hayward and Tatum.

03 Aug 2017 03:35:15
If Irving won't commit long term it will greatly diminish the return. Cavs aren't getting that package.

02 Aug 2017 17:05:37
Cavs-Knicks-Suns


•Cavs get Eric Bledsoe, Carmelo Anthony, Kyle O'Quinn, Lance Thomas, and a 2nd rd pick (via Suns)
Give: Irving, Smith, Shumpert, Frye
-Trade Lance Thomas and rights to Dom' Pointer to Charlotte for Jeremy Lamb
Lineup:
PG: Bledsoe, Rose, Felder
SG: James, Lamb, Calderon
SF: Anthony, Korver, Osman
PF: Love, Green, Jefferson
C: Thompson, O'Quinn, Tavares

•Knicks get Kyrie Irving, Tyson Chandler, JR Smith, Dragan Bender, TJ Warren, and 2018 Miami 1st rd pick (via Suns)
Give: Anthony, Porzingis, O'Quinn, Ntilikina, Thomas, Noah
Lineup:
PG: Irving, Sessions, Randle
SG: Hardaway, Lee, Baker
SF: Warren, Smith, Dotson
PF: Bender, Kuzminskas
C: Hernangomez, Chandler

•Suns get Kristaps Porzingis, Frank Ntilikina, Joakim Noah, Iman Shumpert, Channing Frye
Give: Bledsoe, Chandler, Warren, Bender, Miami 1st rd pick, 2nd rd pick
Lineup:
PG: Ntilikina, Ulis, Knight
SG: Booker, Shumpert, Reed
SF: Jackson, Dudley, Jones
PF: Chriss, Williams, Peters
C: Porzingis, Noah, Frye.

03 Aug 2017 02:53:45
Wow I hope u use ky gelly if going to screw the Knicks homer sun's fan.

03 Aug 2017 03:54:00
Knicks can't say no fast enough.

01 Aug 2017 23:07:57
Cleveland Cavaliers - Phoenix Suns

Cleveland trades: Kyrie Irving, Richard Jefferson, Kay Felder.

Phoenix trades: Eric Bledsoe, Dragan Bender, T. J. Warren and two first round picks ('18 and '21 via Miami) .

Cleveland gets a nice haul for Kyrie. Meanwhile, Phoenix gets their star and keep their young stud in Josh Jackson.

02 Aug 2017 04:07:35
I guess this in a wrinkle that Suns could add to try and keep their 1st (add both Miami picks and add Warren) . It's probably a wise move with the Suns likely to still be in lottery and Heat to likely to make playoffs in a weakened east especially with the top of next year's draft having several strong center prospects which would be the Suns only weak starting spot after this trade (Irving, Booker, Jackson, Chriss) . If their pick lands close to top they could potentially land Bamba or Ayton but even if its a late lottery pick Nick Richards or Mitchell Robinson or they could opt for a more of a tweener type like Jaren Jackson, Robert Williams or even Miles Bridges especially if they dealt Chriss instead of Bender. They also could always trade the pick and/ or move some combo of Chandler, Knight and Dudley to free up the cap space to offer up to the max to a FA next summer.

After playing through these scenarios I think Suns should without a doubt go aggressively after Kyrie. They have a ton of young assets at their disposal and they'd be wise to cash some in for a proven superstar who would also help put them in the discussion for top FA while still having young guys who can develop and turn them into a serious team in a few years.

02 Aug 2017 07:57:59
Jaw457 you say they should go all in for Irving, then you say they can be a serious team in a few years. The problem with that is Irving only under contract for 2 years, and phoenix isn't going to be a playoff team either of those years so why would he stay? From what I'm hearing from suns reporters is that they really aren't that serious about Irving, but because they have all these assets they keep getting brought up in rumors. I just don't see the point in trading away a bunch of potential along with Bledsoe who only averaged 4 points less a game last year and had better stats in other categories for a guy who would most likely cripple the growth of booker.

02 Aug 2017 14:34:58
Skills, I'm not sure how adding an allstar level player is going to cripple Bookers growth. I feel like playing on a team that's tanking probably hurts players more than playing beside talent. Even with Irving, I agree that in a stacked West they probably don't make the playoffs, but they set themselves up to make a run at another star next offseason and become a really good team. They would still have all of their picks and the players they're really trying to build around.

02 Aug 2017 15:39:14
IMO, the need for PHX right now . is a "real" PG. not a stat stuffer like Bledsoe. who also holds the ball too long. nor is it a dynamic scorer who evidently doesn't feel the need to pass much. or play defense. like Kyrie Irving. I think the Suns should faciliate this deal. with Cleveland and whoever else. and get that facilitating type, young PG. Only one I can think of that comes close to that (who could be made available) . is Frank Ntilikina in NY. A young core to grow together and be good to compete in 2-3 years.

01 Aug 2017 04:55:08
Kyrie Irving trade idea:


CLE give: Irving

CLE get: Bledsoe, Seth Curry, DAL 2018 1st, MIA 2018 1st or PHX 2019 1st

PHX give: Bledsoe, Bender, MIA 2018 1st or PHX 2019 1st

PHX get: Irving

DAL give: Seth Curry, 2018 1st

DAL get: Bender

figuring out how the picks will be spread amongst teams is the hard part this this could work for all teams.
Cleveland get bledsoe and a backup guard that showed that season he can in fact play whilst getting some future picks that could be half decent like they have been rumoured to be going after
Phoenix get their point guard in Kyrie and have a sex backcourt for the future with himself and Book whom are both quite young so they can fit past the timeline ones the warriors are gone. they have to give up a young piece in Bender but at this stage he is really a question mark and would be a solid player to give up to get a sure thing in Irving.
You can't tell me you wouldn't want to see what Bender can do with a little mentorship and training with Dirk. Whether he turns out to be a good player or not it's a solid risk attempt for the Mavs who aren't giving up much to get him. they would then have there very solid young core of Smith/Bender/Noel/Barnes

01 Aug 2017 05:28:20
Why is Dallas needed in this trade?

TRW.

30 Jul 2017 17:05:28
Cle: Middleton + Bledsoe + Dellavedova 1rnd pick Miami 2018+ 1rnd pick Bucks 2018+ 1rnd pick Phoe (top 5 protected)

Bucks: K Irving + JR Smith


Phoe: J Parker + M Brogdon

Clev:
C Thompson
PF: K Love
SF: LBJ
SG:Middleton
PG:Bledsoe
Cleveland lose a star, but they become better in offense an defense

Bucks
C:Henson
PF: T Maker
SF: Giannis
SG:Vaugn
PG: Irving
Milwaukee receives a second star

Phoe:
C: Len
PF: Chriss
SF: Parker
SG: Booker
PG: Brogdon
That backcourt could become great. Brogdon is younger than Bledsoe and Phoenix medical staff can keep Parker healty

30 Jul 2017 17:17:01
I'd be ecstatic if the Cavs ended up with that return, but I think it's an overpay by both teams.

30 Jul 2017 19:57:56
Cavs would throw a party with all of that and getting rid of Jrs contract! Irving trade request would be a blessing in disguise for all that!

30 Jul 2017 20:35:44
Y would the bucks do this.

30 Jul 2017 21:27:37
Amazing if Cleveland can pull this off! Terrible for the suns. Giving up 2 first rounders Bledsoe in return for an injury prone Parker and a nice rookie in Brogdon. Phoenix says no.

29 Jul 2017 01:59:49
Heat trade Whiteside and dragic

For Irving and shumpert

29 Jul 2017 16:44:00
Lol not happening.

28 Jul 2017 21:59:54
Cle - Mia - Dal

Cle - Whiteside, Winslow, Richardson, & Dragic

Mia - Irving & Thompson

Dragic - Rose
Smith - Richardson
James - Shumpert
Love - Winslow
Whiteside - Frye

Irving - Johnson
Waiters - Ellington
Johnson - Babbit
Olynk - White
Thompson - Bam

28 Jul 2017 19:37:41
Offers I think are realistic for Irving

The Knicks

Anthony, Ntilikina, and lightly 2 protected firsts or an unprotected first and either Oquinn or Hernangomez

The Nuggets

Wilson Chandler

And then one of Harris, Murray or Mudiay

Then one of (or 2 If its Mudiay) a 1st, Hernangomez, Barton, or Nelson

Phoenix

Bledsoe

Both Dudley and Chandler if the Cavs want them

Then either Jackson, Warren, or a 1st and Bender

The Heat

Dragic, one of their young wings, and a 1st or 2

Milwaukee

2 of Middleton, Maker, Parker, and Brogdon

1 of Snell, Henson Monroe, Teltovic, And a 1st

Minnesota
Wiggins

And if it plays out long enough

One of Teague and Dieng

Plus possibly a lesser asset like Tyus Jones or a heavily protected pick.

29 Jul 2017 03:05:52
Too much from mil.