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24 Mar 2017 03:23:19
LAL get Danny Green
SAS get Jordan Clarkson
SAS go for a young combo guard LAL go for some defense
LAL get Andrei Drummond
DET get Luol Deng , #2 pick & Ivica Zubac
24 Mar 2017 05:15:03
SAS says no to 1st. LAL says no to 2nd.
24 Mar 2017 07:11:25
Don't think Spurs would be too willing to do that deal. In connection with the second deal I think it could make some sense for the Lakers. It would put them in contention for a playoff spot next year which could help the attract FA. Lakers would have close to 40M in cap space so they could easily make a run at George or Westbrook, then use Bird rights to resign Randle and Green to create a very solid lineup going forward. If they traded for one of them beforehand (so they got their Bird rights) they could sign both of them and add them to Drummond to create a solid big 3.
I'm still a believer in Drummond who although is having a down year is only 23, and still 2nd in the league in rebounding. I don't know much about Zubac and how good he is but I wouldn't consider #2 and Deng too much for Drummond especially considering that Ball wouldn't really be a natural fit for the Lakers who have more of a need at the center position. Also, Drummond is young enough that even if they didn't land a star in 2018 FA he could develop with their young core.
Pistons like Drummond have seem to stalled this year after showing promise the past few years. They've made some questionable signings recently but I don't think they are that bad off. They were allegedly shopping Jackson and Drummond at the deadline so if SVG is a believer in Ball I could see them doing this type of trade.
24 Mar 2017 14:03:53
LA shouldn't do that second trade.
Drummond would be a good fit in that team, but i think Zubac could become good too. LA should play him another year and let him develop.
24 Mar 2017 15:33:30
jaw. I think the reason why Andre dipped a little this year, as well as everyone else, is because of SVG . He is not a players coach, he tends to bring out the worst in every player. Players are quitting on the court with this guy as coach and president.
23. I think Lakers would do that deal just to get rid of Deng's contract.
25 Mar 2017 15:08:40
While we do get rid of Dengs contract, Zubac has shown some nice potential to become a starting center in this league. Teams were asking for nance or Zubac with deng or mozgov to negate the negative trade value. I would rather have someone like Ball, Fultz, or Jackson over Drummond IMO.
25 Mar 2017 18:44:25
Spurs would consider that deal, if only because Ginobli very well may retire, and Mills may get very expensive. If the Spurs don't perform well in the playoffs, it also signals it's time for a change, and Green is a reasonable sacrifice.
Only concern is Clarkson taking time away from Murray, but with being able to play off the ball (Clarkson), that shouldn't be a big issue.
24 Mar 2017 02:45:33
We land the number two pick and draft ball
With the Rockets pick, we either draft a defensive minded center or point guard
Let young, black, MWP walk
Sign Babbit and resign Robinson
Ball-Russell-Ingram-Randle-Zubac with clarkson and Nance off the bench with some overpaid vets in Mozgov and Deng and let the team develop.
24 Mar 2017 07:18:15
I think Lakers are in a good spot. They can easily just continue with the way things are going and let the young guys develop. Another option for them to consider however is to try and clear cap space and gear up for 2018 summer when George and Westbrook are potentially FA (could trade for them beforehand to get their bird rights and thus more flexibility) . I would love to see this scenario play out and with Magic in charge of things now (A guy Westbrook and George both grew up in Cali watching) and George and Westbrook both having expressed interest in returning to Cali I don't think its too far-fetched. Although Lakers won't be the "contender" George is looking for I think they have the young talent and assets to bring in pieces to put them in the conversation.
24 Mar 2017 14:37:52
I don't see Westbrook coming. As for George, I still won't believe he's interested in us because it happens every year and no star signs in the summer so I can't believe all the reports that come out now.
24 Mar 2017 18:01:25
George only want a 200m dollar contract from the pacers and he would play for a contender if he does leave, so propably the Spurs.
25 Mar 2017 18:49:53
I don't think George gets his $200M, I don't think he'll make an All-NBA first or second team this year or next, so a return to the Pacers is not a guarantee.
I agree that it doesn't mean he becomes a Laker, and I'm not sure about the Spurs either. The PG13 at PF experiment didn't go well, and Aldridge doesn't want to play the 5. Spurs will also need to make the backcourt a priority as Ginobli'ms either gone this offseason or at the latest next, and Parker's game has aged considerably this year.
22 Mar 2017 17:21:17
Knicks trade - Porzingis and Noah
76ers trade - 2017 1st, Okafor, Saric and future 2nd
Knicks draft Dennis Smith and Isaac
Sign Dwayne Wade
76ers draft Monk (if lakers pick falls)
22 Mar 2017 21:52:27
I think its foolish for Knicks to deal Porzingis especially to get mostly young talent in return. He is probably the second best young prospect to KAT. Knicks will have a solid pick this year and should be equally as bad next year to add talent to their team. Signing Wade I don't think would be a smart move either, they'd be better suited to just move Melo.
For the 76ers it would be a wise move consolidating talent for a proven guy in Porzingis who can space the floor, protect the rim and appears destined to be a star.
23 Mar 2017 13:54:26
Porzingis is not going anywhere, it would take a kings ransom do get Zinger. Jackson is banking on a large return for Melo this summer to fill gaps, boy, will he be surprised when he gets offered less than what he was offered at the deadline.
24 Mar 2017 02:01:00
Jaw, 3rd best big prospect, behind Giannis then KAT... unless you consider Giannis no longer a prospect which would be silly considering they are all within a year of each other
24 Mar 2017 15:26:52
Or "bucks" he, like the rest of the world, considers "big man" as a player that routinely plays the 5, or at least can. Giannis is a SF, a wing man, a non bigman.
Is Butler a Big man? Leonard? Hayward? George? . nope.
Calm down. No one is doubting Giannis. Lemme guess, if someone said best pg prospect, youd also have to throw in that Giannis is a top pg prospect also?
22 Mar 2017 15:21:07
Porter 5yr 100 mil
Melo roots from Baltimore wizards go for it and challenge Cavs next yr. Knicks get 23 yr old who won't be a superstar like Melo. But has all better around than Melo.
Noah 6th 58th for Lin Lopez
22 Mar 2017 16:25:33
Why the hell would the knicks give up melo. for a longer, similar valued contract in porter?
Porter is in his 4th year and having his best year by FAR. at 14 pts, 6 boards.
Why would the knicks possibly want to pay porter like a franchise building block? Especially for 5 years. far better off just sitting back with melo for a couple more years.
With the exception of this year, injuries and ever changing lineup, melo has consistantly made his teams much better overall year in and year out. Is he still elite superstar? no.
But sure as hell rather have him for another 2 years than 5 years of porter at about the same cost.
Not to mention, there is a decent chance melo opts out after next year to get a final, big contract.
Shizzee, you are really really a bad knicks fan. You want to get rid of a very high pick in an incredible draft, for a team that struggles to make the playoffs for a couple years at least. Why not just hold onto it, and build like a smart team?
22 Mar 2017 17:53:50
I think the Wizards would be the one to say no. Porter is a good player, and the big issue there is that he's on the upside while Melo is on the downswing. You need to find a young stud to grow with KP and the other kids the Knicks have on the team. There's a bunch of really good players in this draft, but it's still a crapshoot. I'm not sure if I would make that second move, as I'm not completely sold on Lopez, but you need to ask if getting rid of Noah's contract and picking up Lopez as a #3 guy is worth it. Lopez is young enough to work with that core you're putting together. I think I'd wait to see who's on the board and do it as a draft night deal.
22 Mar 2017 18:43:37
The Knicks would do this so fast it's not even funny. No way WAS does this.
22 Mar 2017 21:57:39
Hate the second trade for the Knicks. In the first one I don't see them being able to get better value for Melo elsewhere (Porter will get a big contract but he is relatively young, versatile, is one of the top 3pt shooters in the league) . Pairing Porzingis with a guy closer to his age is the smart move since history has proven Melo isn't taking this team anywhere.
Melo does very little for them at this point so I think they should deal him for best value they can get. Due to his no-trade clause there aren't very many teams they could trade him to so I don't think they'd be able to beat this offer. Not wanting to pay Porter is only a valid argument if you could tell me who they would give the money to otherwise.
23 Mar 2017 12:05:50
Don't see porter as a franchise cornerstone. No reason to think he will be. Good starter. No superstar. No chance I'd give him 5yrs at melo money when the Knicks could be out of Melos contract in 1 year. 2 years max.
Point is I wouldn't want to sign porter to that regardless of trading for melo. It's an over pay for a player that will likely be the third or fourth option for a team. Will not work out well in the future.
23 Mar 2017 14:21:47
Honestly, I don't see Melo getting a final BIG contract, he definitely won't get a max so he may just as well stay where he is for the final year (28m) . I will be shocked if he gets a 3 yr. guaranteed contract.
23 Mar 2017 15:33:30
Bill, I agree. But I've seen crazier things. Point is though it's only 2 years left max. And he is producing at this point and realistically the next two years far better than porter. So why make that move?
23 Mar 2017 16:28:06
Porter is no 20m/ yr. player so unless its 4 or 5 years at much less money I just don't see it happening, unless Melo pushed for it, he would have to waive that NT clause. Wizards should have done this at the trade deadline to try and get deeper in the playoffs, who knows, maybe they did. When the season ends anything is possible. If KD comes back like he was when he left GS should win. And this drives LBJ crazy, Cav's didn't make a big splash because the owner took away LBJs trading power.
Don't think Knicks would do this. But one thing for sure is Jackson will do his best to get rid of Melo. We can all agree on that.
23 Mar 2017 16:43:48
Third options will get paid 20 million in the current salary cap of the NBA. 20 million for a young guy like porter isn't crazy, it's the market.
23 Mar 2017 18:33:49
OK burger 2nd trade valid points, I agree. You can't ignore what has happened with salary cap and salary. Porter is worthy 5 yr deal 100 mil. Guys like Oladipo Parsons getting more. It's only going to get worse next yr. Porter numbers jump each yr. Better all around player than Melo right now. Wizards are win team now.
Knicks get Biyombo
Magic get Noah rights to swap 2018
Ball-2nd/ Mason-58th/ Randle
Lee/ Thornwell-47/ Baker
Porter/ Thomas/ Kuzminskas O'Quinn/ Biyombo/ Inglis
Porzingis/ Hernangomez/ Plumlee.
23 Mar 2017 19:03:15
Bmiller. absolutely false. Simple math proves differently.
This is exactly why NO will have issues.
If 20 mill is the 3rd option, reasonably 25 and 30 mill would be number 1 and 2.
That means those 3 players alone account for 75 million. And that's the issue. You can't fill out a solid deep roster with that little of money.
He simply isn't worth that amount.
24 Mar 2017 00:10:33
Good players are getting paid like great players, and that means since the cap has gone up the past 2 seasons money is being thrown about recklessly, without any thinking of past 2018. This will hurt some teams. Portland, for one, and if Cleveland doesn't win this year they're going to have to start selling pieces because they are in cap trouble for 2 more seasons and then they still can't sign a max player .
NO is in a position where I think, depending of where they're at in the standings next deadline, they could trade Boogie for much more than what they stole him for. Good move by Pels.
24 Mar 2017 02:34:31
Porter has improved his game this season. He's upped his field goal and free throw percentage and shooting 45% from three, upped his scoring, is a decent rebounder, and will get you steals and a block, he's a good defender, and he's like what 23, 24? Teams would easily give him 5 years 100 million and a team like the nets would give him a max to see if he could be a star stepping out of the stars shadows from wall and beal like the Mavericks did with Barnes (I personally think Porter is better) .
24 Mar 2017 03:32:03
Porter will be Allen Crabbe. After the big contract, his game will fall.
24 Mar 2017 15:34:49
EXACTLY what I was thinking USA. The king. a drastic diviation from your career norms in a contract year is NOT a reason to throw money at a player. Porter shows all indications of a good, not great, player. If you really think you can devote 20% of your team cap to a third, fourth or fifth option, go for it. But that's the mentality to screw yourself.
Especially when someone goes, well, Parsons got more. So what. So the knicks should make a terrible contract because another team did a similar terrible contract?
Right now, Porter is 5th on his team in scoring. Bela, Wall, Bojan, Morris, and Gortat is just behind him. HE IS THE FIFTH OPTION ON HIS TEAM. Prior to this year, his best year is 36% from 3, and it wasnt because of a lack of opportunity. This year is good, not great. And by no means an indication that you should spend that kind of money on the guy. It just simply makes no sense.
24 Mar 2017 18:01:23
I wish they would change all sports contracts to a minimum with bonuses to make more if you play good. You play like a star you'll get paid as such. You play like a slacker you get paid as one. Stop paying for what they did in the past, start paying for what they did that year. Of course that will never happen.
25 Mar 2017 18:55:53
Hamburger, I'm also a Knicks fan, and I'm going to have to disagree with you on Melo vs. Porter.
Yes, Melo is the better player today, but Washington's two best players are still young, so they can wait out the Cavs before making a serious challenge for the title. By time they have a real shot at coming out of the East, Porter will be more valuable than Melo.
I believe the best chance to move Melo is to either a desperate under performing team like the Clips, or a win now team like the Cavs.
22 Mar 2017 13:08:51
blazers : green, payton
magic : ezeli, layman (waive), vonleh,
22 Mar 2017 15:29:46
Green is an upcoming FA and Ezeli has a team option that Blazers will probably decline with Nurkic doing well and their already high salary. Thus its essentially a Vonleh for Payton swap.
Payton is better imo and Magic have Gordon, Vucevic and Biyombo already so not sure how keen they would be to make this deal.
22 Mar 2017 17:35:57
I would actually rather keep Vonleh if I'm Portland. He's had good chemistry with Nurkic, and has played a lot better on both ends of the court with Nurkic.
Also Portland really doesn't need another small combo guard.
22 Mar 2017 08:13:08
DET - OKC
Pistons receive V. Oladipo / D. McDermott
Thunder receive KCP(re-signed) / S. Jhonson
22 Mar 2017 09:09:47
Why would the Thunder do this?
22 Mar 2017 15:35:01
Oladipo and KCP are fairly similar players; both 24 yr old sg, good defenders, recently signed big extensions although KCP is a little longer/ taller with better shooting while Oladipo is more athletic. Not sure why teams would bother trading one for the other.
McDermott and Stanley Johnson are more different. I could understand Pistons wanting a better perimeter shooter with McDermott and Thunder would only probably want Johnson if Roberson becomes too expensive to keep.
22 Mar 2017 04:16:12
bulls : mccollum, crabbe, leonard, 1st round pick
blazers : butler, mirotic, 2nd round pick
22 Mar 2017 04:57:56
I like the idea of this trade a lot but could use some tweaking. Blazers are clearing a ridiculous amount of cap space (35 mill - whatever it takes to resign Mirotic in a sign and trade) while adding Butler who I think would compliment Lillard very well. Depending on how much Mirotic demands in restricted FA if I'm Blazers I may just let him walk since although he is a "stretch 4" he is playing quite poorly this year shooting around 30% from 3.
Trade could make sense for Bulls who would be smart to rebuild. McCollum is a solid center piece at only 25, a prolific scorer who has playmaking ability to play pg (Wade will likely pick up player option) . Although Crabbe and Leonard have very large contracts both are relatively young (25) and a rebuilding Bulls team doesn't project to attract any big FA. That 1st rounder would have to be the Blazers pick (#12) and not Grizzly (#20) or Cavs (#27) for Bulls to even consider imo. Blazers may even have to tack on one or two of the other picks to make it worth it to the Bulls.
If I'm Blazers I'd be very interested since it not only helps them avoid the dreaded luxury tax penalties they are otherwise destined to pay for the next 3 years but they add one of the best two way players in the league in Butler. The Bulls would likely need more convincing but McCollum a guy avg 23 ppg as a 2nd option and a lottery pick aren't a bad start for Bulls and even the bad contracts give them young piece they could use in their rebuild.
22 Mar 2017 10:12:54
I like this trade for both teams.
This would make Portland a contender and I think Mccollum would become a better player without Lillard, playing pointguard.
Portland should give an extra pick, maybe two picks to make it happen.
22 Mar 2017 11:55:09
ok so add another 1st round pick and this trade is set.
24 Mar 2017 18:18:31
Not good for the Bulls, puts them over the cap threshold and if they can't win a title it's not worth it. Good for Portland as they do shed salary.
22 Mar 2017 01:35:06
LAL get Andre Drummond , Ricky Rubio & Reggie Bullock
* sign Blake Griffin max contract
* sign Jonathon Simmons 2yr/10mil
* get a new lob city in LA bring in some excitement and try and get Westbrook or George next summer
Pg Rubio/Ennis/27th pick
Pf Griffin/Nance Jr
DET get Jordan Clarkson , Nikola Pekovic (retire) , Ivica Zubac , Timofey Mozgov & Shabbaz Muhammad + LAL 1st round pick 2017 (#2 pick)
* get 4 young guys to build. Mozgov and Pekovic contract to even up
* draft Lonzo Ball
* send Boban Marjanovic & their own 1st to BKN for Sean Kilpatrick & 2nd to shed some salary
MIN get Julius Randle , Reggie Jackson & Luol Deng
* get a veteran , a young PF who could pair with KAT and a PG that could fit
22 Mar 2017 04:00:28
I'd be ok with a deal for Drummond depending on the price but I don't think Lakers should try and sign Griffin or take back a decent sized contract like Rubio since these moves will severely limit their ability to get George or Westbrook. I think getting one (ideally both) either via trade (if the discount is large enough with them in last year of deal) or in FA summer 2018 is Lakers fastest way to be a contender and should be their primary focus between now and then. If they keep their pick this year it may be good to begin building a roster that could sneak into the playoffs and show George and Westbrook they are heading in the right direction (also try to clear Clarkson, Mozgov and Deng's contracts for expiring deals) . I think Randle could be a good chip to help bring in George or Westbrook since he will be a restricted FA w/ bird rights that summer so Lakers could move him in a sign and trade if they don't have enough cap space to get either.
Pistons are in a weird place as they are a fairly young team but seemed to have stalled this year after looking promising last year as 8 seed. Generally not a fan of moving a guy that is under 23, signed long term and proven to be very good already to "rebuild" especially when its predicated on a top pick like Ball who looks legit but who knows if his success will come with him to the league. Unless Pistons front office is completely in love with him I wouldn't do this deal for the risk that Ball doesn't turn out as good as Drummond is already (which is pretty darn good and he is only 23).
If I'm the Twolves I'd probably pull the trigger on this deal. I don't view Jackson a big drop from Rubio if a drop at all (although I think ideally they move Jackson for another position and give Dunn and Jones more minutes to see what they have) . Randle has proven to be a very promising and versatile pf with his triple doubles and I believe would compliment KAT decently. The big negative of this trade for them is that they are adding considerable amount of salary with Jackson and Deng and Randle is due an extension next summer. Since their core is all on rookie deals and they'll have their Bird rights it won't jeopardize their current roster but it will decrease their flexibility considerably in FA and they may jump into luxury tax (as a small market team not sure if management would be ok with this) .
22 Mar 2017 15:26:39
Minnesota passes. And when does this trade take place? Muhammad is a free agent. And I think KCP is as well. And Pekovic retiring and having his salary not count for next year only works for Minnesota.
Rubio is better than Jackson and Minnesota takes on too much salary. Randle adds nothing to Minnesota, as they have Dieng who is equal or better than Randle. Minnesota needs a stretch 4 to compliment Dieng and Towns. And Deng is basically dead weight and would add basically nothing to Minnesota.
22 Mar 2017 16:52:29
Detroit shouldn't have to take on pek and mosgov.
The lakers get the best playe, rubio, and dump three contracts? . sounds like a dream.
21 Mar 2017 09:17:47
SUNS summer splash
PHX get Jimmy Butler & Andre Drummond
DET get Eric Bledsoe , Robin Lopez & CHI 1st round pick 2017
Sg KCP/Johnson/Kennard (draft)
Sf Harris/Bridges (draft)
CHI get Reggie Jackson , TJ Warren , Alex Len & 3rd pick from PHX
Sf Josh Jackson (3rd)/Warren
21 Mar 2017 12:07:28
That's a pretty awful return for Detroit. Bledsoe isn't that much of an upgrade over Jackson to warrant Drummond being traded for Lopez and a fringe lottery pick. Drummond although coming off a down year is still only 23 and among the top centers in the league with his rebounding ability and athleticism.
The value here is too good for PHX to pass up in my opinion. They would be fairly thin at pg although Ulis has played well recently and they'd still have the ability to make some moves especially if they used future picks to move some of the larger contracts like Chandler to clear cap space to get someone in FA. Butler is signed for two more seasons so I think that gives PHX enough time to try and build something around him especially with the organic growth of Booker and Drummond to compliment him well and form a big 3. They are getting both Drummond and Butler at immense discounts so why not role the dice and see what happens (they still keep 3 of their past lottery picks including Booker who looks like a future star) .
I personally think Chicago should try and move Butler to rebuild so I'm not against this type of move for them but I'd hope they could find a better return from Boston, Nuggets, Twolves or somebody else. 3rd pick is a good start and Warren has proven to be a solid complimentary wing scorer but Len although still young isn't that attractive to me after plateauing a bit and being due a large extension this summer. Jackson as well is an expensive guy who is in his prime so not sure he is the type of player I'd want on a rebuilding squad. Factoring that Bulls are also giving up their current 1st which is a lottery pick (More valuable than Warren or Len imo) and Lopez (a solid starting center who should have some trade value) I'd say this is too little for Bulls.
21 Mar 2017 12:09:08
Hahaha so oft injured Bledsoe. One pick. A role player. And a restricted free agent. For that you get a top 5 YOUNG big man and a top 15 player?
21 Mar 2017 14:09:07
DET would actually consider this. Drummond is becoming one of the most overrated assets in the league. People see the athleticism and potential but that was there 2 years ago too, he has actually got worse.
DET is 10.5 points better per 100 when he's OFF than on. He gives up the 3rd highest fg% in the paint in the nba. He is so inefficient in the post that he's actually more efficient from the free throw line. There's a reason they tried to move him at the deadline.
Upgrading pg, getting a Center who in some ways is an upgrade with a much smaller contract and a pick is not bad.
21 Mar 2017 20:51:09
Drummond isn't as good a rim protector as you'd expect but I wouldn't let a few stats paint him as a bad player. Stats never tell the full story. He is the Pistons most talented and valuable player. Pistons may very well be a better team without him but I don't think that changes the fact that he is only 23, an elite rebounder and has more trade value (value to another team) than this.
21 Mar 2017 21:46:00
Best rebounder in the NBA. 13th in be NBA in FG% (sooooo inefficient! ) . PER of 22. And he's only 23 years old. He might not be a superstar like AD, but he's a beast, and will only get better.
22 Mar 2017 05:37:49
Everyone bringing up only 23. Normally this would be true but he's actually gotten worse. Not only that but now you are dealing with a monster contract for a guy whose only value is rebounding. Then there's the fact that the game has changed so much, big men aren't worth it anymore, elite teams don't even have Centers really. You're better off just paying $8mm to a guy who will rebound and protect the rim (which Andre doesn't do) because that's all they are needed for today.
22 Mar 2017 13:41:36
23. You're wrong. Simple as that.
22 Mar 2017 16:55:45
Your hate for drummond is soon real 23.
Phx isn't giving up enough. I don't think that's really debatable.
Chicago also shouldn't need to give up thier first.
21 Mar 2017 00:53:20
ATL get Robin Lopez & MKG
CHI get Dwight Howard & Kent Bazemore
CHA get Dwayne Wade & ATL 2nd round pick
21 Mar 2017 07:05:06
Incremental changes at best. Doesn't make much sense for ATL to move Howard and Bazemore for Lopez and MKG unless they are trying to clear some cap space but with Millsap an upcoming FA they won't have any for long.
I think Chicago should go the rebuild direction but the value for them here is solid. Sure Howard isn't what he used to be but even with a decent amount of cap space (if Dwade opts out which looks unlikely after injury) there is no guarantee they could get someone of his caliber in FA. Bazemore is another solid piece although a bit pricey.
Don't like this trade for Hornets since Wade isn't the missing piece at this point in his career so they'd be better off keeping MKG who although he may never develop a real offensive game can still influence games the way Tony Allen used to through grit and hard defense.
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