07 Oct 2015 16:55:08
76ers / Twolves
1. Sam Mitchell just named Zach LaVine his starting sg. Wiggins is starting SF.
2. Shabazz Muhammad just switched agents from Duffy( whose clients include Wiggins and LaVine) to Pelinka. This is a bigger deal then most people realize.
3. Don't think Muhammad will be happy being a backup sf to Wiggins. Martin backing up LaVine at sg.
This is the guy Sixers fans. We aren't getting George without giving up a ton, but Muhammad could be our George.
Sixers get: Muhammad
Twolves get: Miami #1, okc #1, Denver #2
07 Oct 2015 17:33:50
way to much for a bench piece on a good team. I'll give them the Okc pick at most.
07 Oct 2015 20:53:08
I completely disagree with TreGib, and would not do the deal from MIN's standpoint for three picks in the 25-35 range.
Shabazz' advanced stats are tremendous, and he's a gym rat who realized what he needs to do, and transformed his body to do it. He can be more than a starter - he has actual star potential, and the players you could get with those picks do not.
That said, while I think Martin is more likely the guy to get traded than Shabazz, I agree with you that he has more value to the Sixers right now than the Wolves, so he's a good guy for you to target. I just think you probably can't convince MIN to trade a guy that's worth a quarter by stacking up nickels.
07 Oct 2015 18:11:47
Tre: only reason he is on the bench is because Wiggins is in front off him. And he's only 22 and was the 13th overall pick. Okc and Miami picks will be in the late teens and late twenties. It's a fair trade
07 Oct 2015 18:35:31
Sixers give up Jerami Grant plus the Miami OR OKC pick for Muhammad. They can have a 2nd too as far as I"m concerned.
Muhammad was the 14th pick. He's not a failure, just trapped in a log jam. So if I'm the Wolves I'd want my something- around 14th pick back.
I know, I know, you can't look backwards. But that's what I'd want. So I'd give them less than their 14th pick back plus a player. I"m falling out of love with Grant. He doesn't know when to stop and pull up for a 10 footer.
07 Oct 2015 18:56:29
What a shock. yet another trade for Shabazz that overvalues him. I almost miss your Lavine infatuation at this point.
07 Oct 2015 19:01:46
You know nothing about Muhammad. Minnesota is not trading him.
07 Oct 2015 19:58:00
MIN will eventually trade Martin I think this year to a contender (ATL, CHA, MEM, NOP) for a protected late 1st rd pick. If Philly wants Shabazz;
MIN: Stauskus & MIA '16 1st
PHI: Shabazz
The 76ers can play Shabazz at SG & Covington at SF. They'd have a logjam with Stauskus, Shabazz, Covington, & Saric and stunt 1 or 2 of these players' growth by not getting enough minutes.
MIN gets a young backup SG with high basketball IQ to develop along with 2 mid to late 1st rd picks (not including their own which should be top 5) all for giving up Martin (who doesn't fit into their long term plans) and Shabazz. This would give the Wolves a very young talented team with great veteran leadership to mentor the young players (Garnett & A Miller) with 3 1st rd picks to better themselves through the draft or use as trade pieces to get it fill any need they may have. The Wolves are doing a great job building a team thanks to the K Love trade.
PG: Rubio/A Miller/T Jones
SG: LaVine/Stauskus
SF: Wiggins/Rudez
PF: Garnett/Dieng/Payne
C: KAT/Pekovic
08 Oct 2015 00:39:13
Muhammad is a nobody people. Why should I bail the wolves out for draft a guy they already had a position for. I'd give them one first rounder top. Muhammad has done nothing in this league on the worst team in basketball the last two seasons. Sorry guys. The wolves were even worse then the Sixers. Sixers pass for that many first rounders for a future bench player for the wolves.
One first is the max is give. The better of the Okc and Miami pick is the max is go for a guy who wants to leave anyway.
08 Oct 2015 14:29:40
Tre - do your homework on Shabazz.
08 Oct 2015 14:32:42
Um Tre, he has been in the league for 2 years. His rookie year, he had a coach who didn't play him. And last year, if you saw him play, you could see real talent. Great low post scorer and offensive rebounder. Hard worker and a great motor. He is versitle enough to play three positions and has a decent three point shot. Plus, has great chemistry with Wiggins.
Yep, nothing to like there.
08 Oct 2015 14:41:24
NewLakerDynasty - Staukas is an interesting idea. His rookie season was a let down, but with Martin gone, the Wolves may be able to use more three point shooting if their current kids don't develop it. Tom Izzo has Flip's ear, and may remind him that Staukas shot 44% from the colleg three. Plus, MIN is down to only one Canadian, and they had gotten use to having a spare.
I don't know if he's really a piece that would tip the scales with the late picks to trade Shabazz, but I think he might be an interesting piece if someone wants to include PHI in a Martin three way. I agree with your point - if Martin is gone, MIN may like Staukas behind Their three wings, Wiggins, LaVine and Shabazz.
08 Oct 2015 15:15:22
Yeah, sure he's a nobody who scored 13.5 ppg on 48% shooting and 39% 3pt shooting while bringing down 4 boards a game. And was trending up before he had to have surgery on his finger and was out for the year.
Tregib, this isn't the same situation as Evan Turner on the sixers in his last year. Muhammad is producing, but he also has the percentages to back up his stats, it's not just volume. And you know the Wolves were only that bad because of injuries right? The sixers are definitely the worse overall team
08 Oct 2015 16:52:44
lol @ the Shabazz fans. Time will tell who is the laughing stock out of you people.
08 Oct 2015 16:52:59
I've seen enough of him to see if rather start sac lavine over him. I know he has attitude problems that have followed him since high school. That why he dropped so far int eh draft to begin with. The wolves have a bench piece but an unhappy one for sure givin his changing of agents. Why should Sixers trade a ton for a guy who sounds like he might be requesting a trade any day now.
08 Oct 2015 17:59:32
Tre, provide one link, one actual report that Muhammad is unhappy in Minnesota. Otherwise, it is just crap you made up.
08 Oct 2015 21:15:04
@Shrink
I liked Stauskus. If he can build up his confidence, his game lends itself nicely to the current NBA. He's big at 6'-6", a smart player who can shoot from outside and can shoot off the dribble and get his own shot as well. If he gets around 25+ minutes per game this year with PHI, I think he'll be a nice surprise for that team and can average 12-15 ppg. Especially with Okafor being a good passer out of the post and double teams. He should find Nik a lot this year open on the 3 point line.
08 Oct 2015 22:33:21
Why is Stauskus any different than Shabazz? Both had coaches the first year that didn't play them. Shabazz did well last year. Give Stauskus the same opportunity.
Also, if Shabazz is a low post player, why do the Sixers want that? The post is clogged as it is with Noel and OK4.
08 Oct 2015 22:51:35
I don't see ANY issues from Shabazz attitude-wise in the NBA. Changing agents is NOT that big of a deal. It is possible for players to just not like their agents.
Talent-wise, Shabazz seems like he has potential to be a good player in this league. I wouldn't start calling him a star, but absolutely has the potential to be very good. The only reason I wouldn't think the sixers would make a move, especially for that amount, is because of the injuries. I know his injuries aren't of the type that would be chronic injuries.
HOWEVER, I also realize the sixers have dealt with enough injury ridden talent to have some reservations against a very talented, yet injury prone player. His injuries, whether the finger, an oblique strain, a knee issue. it just causes one to reasonably believe he will be dealing with little injuries throughout his career.
There are players that just seem to often times get unrelated injuries. I really fear that Shabazz may be an unfortunate case of a player with talent that doesn't get fully recognized because of this. Hope it's not true, but in order to really get full value, he will have to prove he can stay on the floor for over half of a season.
08 Oct 2015 23:15:39
TreGib, again, you really need to do your homework in Shabazz, buddy. And if you still refuse to, you should stop embarrassing yourself with supposition.
There are a lot of people out there, including in this thread, that aren't MIN fans and recognize that Shabazz has the potential to be a star player. I think last season he was at the top of the NBA in points/possession, and in PPP in the paint. He's a freakin' monster athlete, and the kid finally figured out the effort needed to be a star. I invite you to take a look at his before and after pictures of how he transformed his body in one off-season. He's very good right now, but he also has plenty of room to grow, specifically with his handles (so he can really only be a SF right now). At his current level, his game reminds me of Corey Maggette driving to the rim on anyone, except Shabazz' three pointer is already better. Many people think Shabazz > LaVine.
Finally, MIN is not looking to be "bailed out" and forced to trade Shabazz. Kevin Martin is not part of the Wolves future, so Even if everyone was 100% healthy every game, there are 96 swingman minutes for Wiggins, LaVine and Shabazz - more than enough to keep anyone happy. If you recall, Flip traded away a higher lottery pick to get Shabazz (and Dieng), and so he's attached - keeping him around reminds everyone how well he's done in the draft. I won't say it's impossible that Shabazz would be traded, but Kevin Martin going out has to be ten times more likely. MIN rode through a rough rookie year to see him make a big leap last season, and I imagine they want to see him emerge.
08 Oct 2015 23:20:13
NLD - I really liked how PHI acquired Staukis, and I agree with your assessment of him as a prospect. He had a rough rookie year, but I think the potential is there for him to be much better. Sixers were smart to "buy-low" on the guy, IMO.