02 Nov 2015 11:13:13
Sixers/Hornets
Sixers get Mkg
Hornets get Covington and Landry.
02 Nov 2015 14:47:05
In the Hinkie era, I don't believe there's a single example of him trading a player that's actually pretty good for another player that's pretty good in order to fill a need. So I don't see Covington for MKG unless the Sixers come out with draft picks some how also.
02 Nov 2015 20:26:06
This trade probably should happen. Mkg needs a Chang elf scenerio. Coving tons solid and laundry isn't a bad bench piece when healthy.
02 Nov 2015 20:51:54
MKG is considerably better than Covington. You want picks too? Wow.
02 Nov 2015 22:42:35
Ben: please reread my comment.
What I wrote was a reflection on Sam Hinkie, not the trade. I think maybe only once he's traded player for player. I don't think he's ever traded a starting player for a starter. So, no, I (phillyrich) am not demanding a pick too. But it would be more Hinkie's style if he made a trade and wound up with a pick. See the difference?
As for MKG, I never really looked at him before. Does he have any 3 point shooting stats at all? Looks like he's only taken 18 3 pointers in his career. Is that right?
03 Nov 2015 21:39:12
I noticed nobody answered.
I know as per the above that MKG is much, much better than Covington. After all MKG was the 2nd pick in the draft and Covington was not. And I know Covington stinks because he's on the Sixers and well, that's enough said about that.
But MKG has ZERO, ZERO outside the arc game. NONE. Covington scored more per game, his effective FG% is higher.
So yeah, Ben Miller, MKG should be referenced as "considerably better" than Covington and maybe the Sixers should trade for the SF without a 3pt game and give up their best spot up shooter and maybe throw in a case of beer and the Lakers pick too.
03 Nov 2015 23:44:22
Philly, you need to take a breath man. You sound ridiculous. Besides you, no one will dare say Covington is at MKG's level. Just like besides you, no one will say Noel and Covington for Winslow and Smart is a bad return for the sixers. You really are just sounding desperate with your irrational rants. Might need a day or two break big guy ;)
04 Nov 2015 01:10:06
MKG is also a freak athlete, an elite defender, and an improving offensive player. He doesn't have an outside shooting game, but he's great at getting to the basket and finishing. Oh yeah, and he's an elite defender.
04 Nov 2015 01:11:01
I didn't comment because arguing with 76ers fans on this site is pointless, you guys are pretty crazy.
04 Nov 2015 01:54:52
Funny, Pizza. Nobody answered the question. Why trade for a SF that doesn't shoot the 3? Ever. He never shoots the three. 18 3pt shots in 3 years.
Just look at the stats. Do your homework. Did you even know that? Did you know Covington is a more efficient scorer than MKG? That he averaged more ppg? I didn't. I just took everyone's word on it until I looked for myself. I was surprised when I saw that. Did you look or are you in love with MKG being a very high 1st rounder?
What would you say if I told you MKG stats do not compare overly favorably to Evan Turner? And Evan Turner is widely considered a bust at the #2 pick. Take a look. Do some homework.
Do some research and just don't comment with the appearance of total knowledge. At what level is MKG? For the first time in his 3 year career he achieved 10ppg? That he's returned to form as a 70% FT shooter? He's a solid rebounder, yes. Am I missing something? What am I missing? Tell me. What am I missing?
You want to say he's better than Covington. Sure. That's your opinion. But we're not talking about a perennial all-star for the 12th man on an expansion team. MKG might be a good player. But you better take a closer look at his "accomplishments" before throwing the snark around.
And the trade was not Winslow/Smart for Noel/Covington. Sixers alleviated other teams' salary problems by taking on a bunch of salary crap in that deal too. I"ve been very consistent for a very long time- you don't trade bigs for smalls in this league, especially when you have a bunch of 1st rounders lined up where you can go get your smalls. You might see balance in that trade. If you want Noel, you better overwhelm the Sixers. He's a pretty good player at a position of need for other teams.
04 Nov 2015 12:17:42
Um, I believe everyone is aware that being the lead scorer on an awful team means nothing. Especially when it's numbers like that. Not all players have to chuck 3s. Covington shoots 2s at or below league average. Shoots 3s at or below league average. It's astounding you would grade a player strictly on how many points he scores and if when you multiply his low 3fg percentage by 1.5 if it is higher than mkg solid fg percentage.
Mkg is an elite athlete and defender. He has a developing game. I know, no three pointer which immediately makes him worthless. But again, you would apparently consider Kyle korver better than lebron James seeing as his all important effective shooting position and 3pt shots is better.
It's always funny, once the season starts and all the sixers dreams of this year, things will finally improve, and they don't. Philly turns into a raging complainer. Just stop. Take a breath. And realize it isn't all personal attacks on an anonymous message board.
04 Nov 2015 12:37:25
Also, again. even though you obviously will disagree with no consideration otherwise. I wouldn't list Noel in the top 10 of big men.
Jefferson, Gasol, Drummond, Jordan, Noah, Cousins, Monroe, Bosh, Horford, Gobert, Howard. that's just to name 11 I would consider better. AKA, if then need to, they can get one at or above Noel's level. Even though you think it is simple to get a small in the draft (a claim that no one understands your rationale, yet again), it isn't. i'm glad you have your firm limits as the Philly gm, but others are allowed to give their opinion if it disagrees with you. You don't need to whine and blab about how you will put them in their place, and show them up as a result. grow up.
04 Nov 2015 13:15:48
Feel free to disagree. That makes for a healthy debate. Personal attacks do not.
1. "It's astounding you would grade a player strictly on how many points he scores and if when you multiply his low 3fg percentage by 1.5 if it is higher than mkg solid fg percentage. " The term you're looking for is "effective field goal percentage. " As per basketball-reference. com, Covington's is 50.3% and MKG's is 46.5%. Do some homework and stop guessing.
2. "Not all players have to chuck 3's. " I'd say in the league as it is now, you need some 3 pt shooting from your small players. It spreads the floor for the rest of the team. MKG has none, zero 3pt shooting. He doesn't even appear to be working on it since his attempts are non-existent. That's a red flag to me. He should be working to improve his game.
3. I do not consider Kyle Korver better than Lebron James. That comment just makes you look foolish and petty and is another attempted personal attack. Stay on topic.
4. "Philly turns into a raging complainer. " Ah, no. Just another personal attack that makes you look foolish and petty. Try to focus, man.
5. You listed 10 big men that you feel are better than Noel. I'm ok with that. Good for you. Really. But try to realize, none of them are on the Sixers or Celtics. Which is pretty much the point of the trade, to transfer Noel to the Celtics.
6. I"ve never said it was "simple" to get smalls in the draft. Once again a moronic exaggeration by you. But it is significantly easier. That's the Celtics problem. They've drafted too high to get their big but have accumulated smalls with their mid-1st round picks.
7. Feel free to disagree. Be respectful. It is you that is disrespectful and puts most every comment on a personal level. You comment about the commenters consistently. Don't be a bitch when someone puts you in your place. This is on you. I NEVER make comments personal unless you or someone else does so first. If you don't like it, that's your own problem.
8. Let this be the end of it. You know the parameters. You make it personal, you get hit back.
04 Nov 2015 15:11:56
Ben: the Sixers are doing something very odd in their approach to rebuild. Its frustrating, aggravating and we're stuck with it. So the Sixers' fan general approach here is to work within the philosophy of what's going on. It doesn't always make outward sense since what Hinkie is doing is in well, untraditional.
I think I have a good understanding of what he's doing. That's how I predicted months ago that Kendall Marshall would be a Sixer. What I see from the team on the court thus far is that Noel and Okafor are very good together. Stauskas has more game than I thought. Covington is banged up but seems to be a decent spot up shooter. When Noel and/or Okafor come to the bench, there's no NBA talent replacing them on the floor and the game swings dramatically.
There's no reason why the Sixers couldn't have had a few competent players on the bench. That's my frustration with the team. Last year should have been the last awful year. It appears as though this year could be equally terrible.
04 Nov 2015 16:50:30
Philly, are you 12? I wrote out what eFg is because you are claiming Covington is better than MKG because of that. Or because he scores more points for a TERRIBLE team. Korver has a significantly better eFg than lebron, and seeing as your evaluation is limited to 2 meaningless stats while entirely ignoring all of Covingtons flaws and MKGs positives. So following your train of thought, you would say lebron is worse than korver.
Its amazing, you keep calling people petty or trying to insult others. specifically because everyone else is petty or not smart like you. But somehow, the common thread in these spats is philly. Wake up, relax and realize no one really cares besides you. And you clearly are caring WAY too much. It's an anonymous message board. Get worked up about something that matters.