03 Nov 2015 19:22:19
76ers / Twolves
Shabazz Muhammad is getting 17 min per game. He is being wasted on the Twolves bench behind Wiggins. His agent can't be too happy either. Time to register the shabazz to Philly possibilities
Sixers get: Muhammad
Twolves get: better of okc or Miami #1 and Richaun Holmes or jerami Grant
Sixers could give shabazz the minutes he needs to develop. Twolves get a mid to late #1 and a young power forward with energy off the bench.
Sixers:
Pg: Marshall, wroten, McConnell
Sg: stauskas, Covington, Thompson
Sf: shabazz, covington,
Pf: Noel, wood, Holmes
C: okafor, Noel
Saric and embiid on there way, Lakers and own top picks next year. Future could be bright with a little luck.
03 Nov 2015 21:26:22
Like the concept. And you're right. He's about 10th on that team in minutes per game, getting less run than Tayshawn Prince. His minutes can easily be re-distributed among Prince, Martin, Wiggins and Lavine.
This is the kind of trade I like for the Sixers. They don't give up a core player and utilize later 1st rounders while adding what could be a core player. This is the kind of trade the Sixers would make.
If I had a choice, I'd rather give up Grant. He's regressed this year. For some reason he resists developing a mid-range game and tries to plow his way to the basket on every drive instead of pulling up for a 10 footer.
03 Nov 2015 23:01:53
And Minnesota does this why?
03 Nov 2015 23:11:40
And your still insist on playing the "Muhammad is playing of the bench and therefor must be unhappy. Philadelphia can get him for a late 1st and scraps" card. Minnesota has zero reason to trade him.
Again, provide one story. One link that says Muhammad is unhappy. Otherwise, go bother other fans with you made up crap and bad trades.
04 Nov 2015 00:49:58
Don't count out the lakers keeping the pick. Still early in the year but things aren't looking good.
04 Nov 2015 01:32:58
He got a new agent over the summer. That's a clue. But there's no smoke as far as him wanting to get traded or that the Wolves are looking to trade him.
04 Nov 2015 02:00:57
Just throwing out an idea on a player I would like to see on my team. Simmer down Carl006. Never sought you out to bother you. To quote a USF football coach " Have a good day if you want to" .
04 Nov 2015 03:11:49
Carl, you ignore that it doesn't matter what the wolves want. Philly and Heinke say so, so it is ;)
04 Nov 2015 12:00:06
Pizza, as long as you continue to make this personal I'll continue to blast the crap out of you. Keep your comments focused on the trade, not the commenters.
Maybe, just for once, you could use your 3 brain cells and show the rest of us your NBA acumen and propose an actual, viable trade? Just once? Yes? No? Can you?
Give it a shot, Mr. Chuckles.
04 Nov 2015 12:01:48
King, I was thinking the same thing.
04 Nov 2015 12:08:40
Oh, and to pizza, I was agreeing above. There is no evidence that that wolves would do this. When asked to find any inclination the wolves would trade Muhammad, I did some homework and agreed with Carl.
So once again, your personal commentary puts your jackassery on full display. Good one.
04 Nov 2015 14:03:20
Phillyrich1
He is not displaying jackassery, he is displaying smarassery for Philly fans continuing to post stupid trades where only Philadelphia gains from a trade. This exact trade was posted by the same person a few weeks ago. It was bad then. It is bad now.
04 Nov 2015 14:59:32
Fine. Comment on the trade. I see no compelling reason why I caught a raft of crap. I agreed with you. There is no hint from the player or the Minnesota side that Shabazz is available or wants out.
You asked for evidence. I looked. I agreed with you. That all makes for interesting dialogue. Anything after that is clear jackassery. For example: "Carl, you ignore that it doesn't matter what the wolves want. Philly and Heinke say so, so it is ;) "
As for stupid trades, maybe the jackass himself could jump up and down a few times until he comes up with a single trade idea before being critical of others. I don't think he's ever done that. Ever.
04 Nov 2015 16:08:06
Philly,
The reason you are getting crap is because you think giving up a late 1st and a player you said is regressing for a guy who could be a core player. Your words. Yes, that is the type of trade Philly would make. But so would every other team in the NBA.
04 Nov 2015 17:03:00
I don't think it's unreasonable trade offer, but I'd agree with the majority that the Wolves wouldn't do it.
While Wiggins can play both SF and SG, I think the Wolves coaching staff this year are committed to developing him at SG, where he has more of an advantage. He needs work there, especially with his handles, but they seem so invested in this plan that they are making LaVine get his minutes as a back up PG, and find minutes for Kevin Martin -- both are almost certainly SG's.
Anyway, while I don't expect Martin to be here much longer, if the Wolves are committed to Wiggins at SG, this means there will be minutes at SF. Tayshaun Prince won't be there much longer, so I think that means they will be putting Shabazz in the starting line up soon. Playing with Rubio instead of LaVine to set him up will radically improve Shabazz's performance, and I think that will keep the Wolves from trading him.
04 Nov 2015 18:12:14
Shrink,
When Minnesota eventually trades Martin, I think LaVine would start at SG (he can't play PG) with Wiggins at SF and Muhammad as the 6th man. Wiggins would play SG when on the floor with Muhammad and SF when on the floor with LaVine.
Of course, I could be wrong, and Muhammad could start like you said, with Wiggins shifting to SF when playing along side LaVine.
04 Nov 2015 19:35:29
Ah. Now I see. There's missing context. In a previous trade I noted that such a deal didn't fit hinkie's mo and I caught a raft of crap.
This particular deal does fit hinkie's mo, so I think the sixers would do it (as compared to the other) . Hinkie likes to find guys being under utilized.
I think there's just missing context here.
04 Nov 2015 22:18:49
Philly,
You have yet to explain why Minnesota would do such a trade. The thing is, you can't. Because Minnesota would never do such a trade.
04 Nov 2015 23:57:30
Simple. He significantly over values late 1sts and Dee bench players for the sixers. The belief is record doesn't matter, 17 pts per game for the bottom team is comparable to 17 pts for a playoff team. Don't try Carl. It's an I winnable fight.
05 Nov 2015 04:01:33
And philly. I'll make this clear. People jump on your stuff because you explain how philly will actually give the player who has seriously declined because that's what sixers want so it'll happen.
The trade doesn't work for the wolves. Good try but makes little sense. He isn't underutilized. Switching agents doesn't mean he's unhappy with the team, it means he's unhappy with the agent. You have zero knowledge of him demanding a trade or even wanting one. The wolves are competing very well so far as they are. They don't need advice from sixers fans. Especially ones who claim wroten Covington are stars and Marshall is the answer. Numerous teams drop these players. Sixers are horrendous this year.
05 Nov 2015 12:48:13
Let's try this one more time, . And I'll type very slowly so you can understand.
1. There's nothing wrong with expressing the perspective of one side of the trade.
2. The trade doesn't work for the Wolves. Ok, fine. I think we got to this point relatively quickly and could have been done with this long ago.
3. When asked to show what evidence the Wolves would do this or that the player wanted out of Minnesota, I agreed that there was no evidence, therefore putting me on your side of the argument. You get that, right? Carl asked a question, I looked online and agreed with him. ("But there's no smoke as far as him wanting to get traded or that the Wolves are looking to trade him. ") That means I agree with Carl. Slower this time: That. means. I. agree. with. Carl.
4. I happen to like the Wolves and have Wolve-fan friends in Minnesota.
5. You grossly, GROSSLY, immaturely and intentionally exaggerate my position on Wroten, Covington and Marshall. Wroten I believe is best suited as a 6th man (he can score but he's not very efficient), Covington is a good spot up 3 point shooter, Marshall can hopefully reach his full potential as Eric Snow. I did surmise that the Sixers would sign him months before they did. I've held all of these positions consistently. Never, NEVER have I claimed Wroten and Covington are All Stars or that Marshall is the answer. But I'd be interested to see what Marshall can actually do.
6. Sixers are not good. Their bench and lack of depth is awful. They're playing several guys that are just not NBA players. Its aggravating because it doesn't have to be this way. However, Noel and Okafor together are good. Okafor is better than I thought and wants to improve parts of his game that are soft such as defensive rebounding. His FT shooting improvement thus far is remarkable. Noel compliments what Okafor lacks and vice versa.
That's it. Now stop. You only embarrass yourself with your insistence on continually exaggerating my positions and putting into print things that are obviously false. Once again, in conclusion, I agree with Carl and have agreed with Carl that there is no evidence that he wants out or that the Wolves want him out. He asked a question, I did some reading and then agreed with his premise. Everything after that is nonsensical claptrap.
05 Nov 2015 14:14:40
Im not embarrassed. Embarrassed to who? A guy who makes constant online "threats", whines about jackassery and claims you are really about to "give it to me". Philly. You can write what you want now. But like you said, there's online print to just about everything. If you would be so kind, refer to the posts you ranted up and down about 5 prior to this. Literally everyone disagreed with you. Literally everyone agreed with me. Literally everyone agreed with Carl. The fact that you now go, oh, that doesn't count, doesn't make it so.
I kept saying, simmer down. It's a message board. Yet you kept going in one breath "I'm a man, you are a kid, I am mature! " and then immediately followed it up with, "oh boy, I'm going to lay the crap down on you now" Grow up. Threats on an anonymous message board are so 2005 poor attempts at cyber bullying. It's sad. Really. No one else on this entire site consistently goes, "You better watch what you say or else. " Get the hint when EVERYONE disagrees with you and when throughout all the tirades on here, the one common link to all of them, is Phillyrich claiming to take the high road, be the man, and immediately follow it up with a gradeschool level insult which puts into question your actual age.
I won't be responding to you. Thought you had finally realized the limits to these posts seeing as you were on quasi-good behavior the past few weeks. alas, NBA season starts up, sixers as always show zero promise, and you get bitter and snip at everyone to boost your self esteem. Write some response attempting to be witty, attempting to say ignore all prior statements which are less than a page below this one, and write about how you are being a man, and you have man integrity, and anyone who disagrees isn't a man because you say so. You aren't fun on these things. You just ruin it for others. Kudos, bye.
05 Nov 2015 15:25:19
To be clear, when people take personal shots, I shoot back. That's it. King used to do that and he thankfully stopped. Thank you king. The only commenter that makes things personal is you. I only respond. My "good behavior" has been a reflection of the focus of how others post.
As for this particular situation, I agree with Carl. He raised an excellent point asking why the Wolves would do this trade and where it could be documented that the player wanted out. I took up his challenge, couldn't find any evidence, and changed my focus from the Sixers' perspective to the Wolves' perspective and agreed with him. All I found was that the player signed on with a new agent. This is probably the third time I've said that. From the point that I first agreed with Carl, he blasted me at least twice and you blasted me at least 3 times. Makes no sense.
Once again, I AGREED WITH CARL. I"m not the one that threw gasoline on the situation. I AGREED WITH CARL. I'm the one that kept saying to stop make things personal.
You're very difficult to have a civil dialogue with. I tried. Very hard. Nobody else makes things personal. I have no idea what Carl's beef is with me on this one since I AGREED WITH HIM. He raised a point, I researched, I AGREED WITH HIM.
And thank you once again King for keeping things on topic and not personal. And if you would stop making things personal, then I would gladly comment on how the Knicks are better than I thought they'd be and although Zinger physically reminds me of Shawn Bradley he's already much better than I expected.
So please knock off the personal stuff, stay focused on the topic at hand, and stop misrepresenting my opinions. If you don't think I'm fun on these things its only a reflection of how you post. Once again, please stop making things personal and I won't push back. Its a fairly simple dynamic. I don't want the personal stuff. I've been very clear on that. So please stop.
You see. No personal shots. Just a plea for civility. Any future breach of civility at this point falls on you. Please do not misrepresent my positions, please do not exaggerate my positions. Thank you.
05 Nov 2015 17:52:00
I never made things personal it's usually other people. I never like to make it personal unless other people do it to me so you are wrong and prove me wrong on when I made it personal to start.
05 Nov 2015 18:06:36
Maybe I'm wrong on that King. If so, my bad. I'll take you at your word. Let's move on. Agreed?
05 Nov 2015 23:26:17
Yeah let's move on I agree. Let's just be happy and move on.
05 Nov 2015 23:16:44
Just stop it philly. We get it, you HAVE to respond because you need the final word. You need to go its not personal, its not your fault, yet you drag others into it. How in the world did you manage to just bring theking in it? He wasnt involved in any of this. How did you manage to get into an argument with carl? and then try and say oh no, you were agreeing the whole time. The only person involved in ALL of these arguments is you. You are the common thread. I guess its all us, not you, right?
I guess, because you initiate it, he responds, then you go ok, move on. its over. Again, we know, you will respond, because you just HAVE to get the last word in, you just HAVE to make it personal and you just HAVE to express after all your ranting and raving and belittling and threatening and telling everyone you are a big man and others are little kids, that you have now determined you are going to take the high road and end it because you realize, you really have done nothing productive. You want to end it? don't RESPOND. for once. please.