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16 Oct 2017 17:03:02
The Thunder traded J Harden to Houston for Lamb+ Martin+ 1rnd pick (Adams)

Two other teams had a chance

Toronto offered Valaciunas+T Ross, but they thought Valanciunas would have a higher sealing.
Imagine:
C: A Johnson
PF: Bargnani
SF: Derozan
Sg: Harden
PG:Lowry

The other team was Washington, they offered Beal and Singleton


What do you guys think would have been the best trade?

16 Oct 2017 17:13:51
beal might have made a huge difference in kd staying in okc.

16 Oct 2017 18:33:58
If not trading isn't an option, Beal. It's hard to judge in retrospect though. Lamb looked like a potentially solid player with upside and Martin was coming off a huge year.

16 Oct 2017 18:50:54
On the surface i think the Washington offer was best. There is no way to know what impact those offers would have made on future moves though.

20 Oct 2017 13:47:56
It wound up that Beal may have been the big get, but I think Houston was still the best package. When you take health into consideration, I think Adams is the best piece of all of those players. They also got Martin, who at that point was a really good scorer if nothing else, Lamb, who was another interesting kid, the #32 back after it took an interesting tour through half the league where they took Abrines (meh) and a future 1st where they took Mitch McGary.

A scorer, a young talent in Lamb, and three chances at another good player (in the form of #s 12, 21 and 32) for a guy they didn't think they could keep is probably the best of the bunch. I'd really have to know what else was coming with Beal/ Singleton or Val/ Ross to determine what was better, but that's not likely to ever come out.

16 Oct 2017 06:06:57
Mavs should add an stronger SG that can attack the rim and run plays as well by defending good.

Cavs:
-McRoberts

Mavs:
-Shumpert

For now Mavs would improve the backcourt.

Maybe Shumpert plays a great year or he is willing to step out for the next year. If not, Shumpert and Wes are similar Players, Wes may a bit more committed overall but next year he is older as has only 1y 17m left. So if Shumpert works or stays Mavs could trade Wes to a contender / good team that Need some SG/SF to free cap space. (Pelicans, Raptors, Pistons or LAC or OKC)

16 Oct 2017 09:00:35
That would be a good move for both teams.

16 Oct 2017 13:35:06
Shumpert has no value.

16 Oct 2017 14:15:21
Not a fan of it for the Cavs. Atleast until IT is back Shumpert looks to be in the rotation and after trading Jefferson, the Cavs would end up being pretty thin on the wing if someone missed time. Plus, the Cavs have 4 more traditional bigs on the roster and it looks like their plans is to only play them at the 5. I don't think Mcroberts would in the Cavs rotation and the chances he is even reasonably healthy this year are pretty slim.

16 Oct 2017 14:54:02
Supercollider, neither does Mcroberts. What's your point?

17 Oct 2017 04:43:09
Well rkenne, now that Melo's been dealt Super has to find someone new to pile on!

100% agreed rkenne.

07 Oct 2017 16:30:09
trade lopez and Pondexter to thunder Singler and Terrance Ferguson and grant brother of Jerian grant and past bull Horace Grant.

02 Oct 2017 06:51:45
Nuggets trade: Emmanuel Mudiay, Juan Hernangomez, and Darrell Arthur
Nuggets receive: Jeff Teague

The Nuggets have an excellent, balanced offense that's missing one key part: an efficient facilitator at the point guard position. Teague is by no means a great player, but he is a good player who can do a control an offense very, can do a little bit of everything, and doesn't turn the ball over too much. This is exactly what the Nuggets need if they want to make the playoffs during Millsap's tenure with the team. Although Hernangomez and Arthur figure to spell the starters some productive minutes off the bench, they are expendable. Mudiay, following a poor 2015-16 rookie season, regressed even more during the 2016-17 season and is looking more and more like a bust. After Jamal Murray's prolific rookie season, the Nuggets can afford to give up on Mudiay in favor of a veteran point guard.


Cavaliers trade: Jae Crowder, Iman Shumpert, Channing Frye, and Brooklyn's 2018 first-round draft pick
Cavaliers receive: Jimmy Butler

The Cavaliers' front office will essentially be in panic mode all season long due to LeBrom James' unwillingness to commit to the franchise beyond this upcoming season. They should be ready to pull out all the stops to assure that he stays. Getting a healthy, 2017 clone of Isaiah Thomas would help wonders in achieving that goal, but acquiring Butler without giving up much short-term relevant assets in return would help even more. 28-years-old and currently smacked dab in the middle of his prime, Butler's presence in Cleveland beyond this year would make it very difficult for James to find a better situation, in terms of a team with a talented roster and enough cap space to sign him, entering free agency in 2018. Losing Crowder would hurt, and maybe even Shumpert and Frye would provide some depth to this Cavaliers' 2017-18 roster, however, acquiring Butler would more than make up for those loses. Not to mention, trimming over $5 million off this year's payroll would be music to Dan Gilbert's ears. Even if the worst were to happen and James were to leave following the conclusion of the upcoming season, rebuilding around Love, Butler, and Thomas, all still in their late 20s, would not be the worst thing in the world.


Bucks trade: Giannis Antetokounmpo and Mirza Teletovic
Bucks receive: Andrew Wiggins, Jae Crowder, Juan Hernangomez, Channing Frye, Brooklyn Nets' 2018 first-round draft pick, and Oklahoma City Thunder's 2018 first-round draft pick

Giving up Antetokounmpo prior to him even hitting his prime years would be probably the most difficult decision the Bucks would have to make since they traded Karrem Abdul-Jabbar in 1975. However, if they were to panic and decide that it's time to trade him when his value is maximized, this would be a very good package to receive in return? Wiggins is expected to be a future perennial all-star and one of the best, if not the best, scorers in the league. The Nets' draft pick should easily land somewhere in the top five in next year's loaded draft, and has a chance to become the top pick in the draft. Crowder is still young, a very solid contributor, and playing on a great contract that team could either use for the foreseeable future or flip to another team for either another younger player or for a draft pick. Hernangomez and the Thunder draft pick would add to the Bucks' solid, young crop of talent while Frye's expiring contract would save the team some money in the future and would allow the team to flip him before this upcoming season's trade deadline, should he build up any trade value over the season.


Timberwolves trade: Jimmy Butler, Andrew Wiggins, Jeff Teague, and Oklahoma City Thunder's 2018 first-round draft pick
Timberwolves receive: Giannis Antetokounmpo, Emmanuel Mudiay, Darrell Arthur, Mirza Teletovic, and Iman Shumpert

The Timberwolves would undoubtedly receive the grand prize of this trade in 22-year-old Antetokounmpo who, along with Karl-Anthony Towns, would form the scariest, most potential-filled duo ever assembled. Both players are true unicorns at their respective positions (both can easily play multiple positions) and have 'future MVP' written all over their foreheads. The Timberwolves would be giving up 60% of their projected starting line-up to receive him, all of whom are either former, current, or future all-stars, which is exactly the type of package it would take to get Antetokounmpo. Mudiay has severely underperformed since being drafted by the Nuggets, but he is only 21-years-old and would be given every opportunity over the remaining two seasons of his rookie-scale contract to prove that he belongs in the league as a starter. The second purpose behind the Timberwolves making this trade would be the flexibility it would allow them to have during the 2019 offseason, when the contracts of Taj Gibson, Cole Aldrich, Jamal Crawford, Nemanja Bjelica, and fellow newcomers Arthur, Teletovic, & Shumpert would come off the team's salary cap payroll. The subtraction of those contracts (plus the possibility of removing Mudiay's and Tyus Jones' qualifying offers if they so desired) would provide the team with roughly over $32.7 million to spend in free agency, taking into account the projected $108,000,000 salary cap for the 2019-20 NBA season. Although players such as Eric Bledsoe, Klay Thompson Butler, Kevin Love, and Marc Gasol with be available during that offseason, the two players the team would really have their eyes on would be Kyrie Irving and Kawhi Leonard, who would be 27-years-old and 28-years-old respectively. Either one of these players would give the Timberwolves undoubtedly the scariest threesome the league has seen since, well, this year's Golden State Warriors.

02 Oct 2017 08:00:44
This is so confusing. Why in the world would those teams make such deal. Well, i will give you props for your effort but no way this kind of deal could ever happen.

02 Oct 2017 08:01:01
This is so confusing. Why in the world would those teams make such deal. Well, i will give you props for your effort but no way this kind of deal could ever happen.

02 Oct 2017 09:12:26
The Bucks turn that down. Giannis is easily a top ten player and has the potential to become a perennial MVP and dpoy candidate. It would take a stupid offer to pull him away from the Bucks.

I think the Timberwolves would have to take a long loo at it, but that's a lot to give up. In the short term their team gets worse.

It's fairly solid for the Cavs and Nuggets. Although, I'm not sure why the Nuggets really even need to be apart of this.

02 Oct 2017 20:05:13
ok, i get it, the goal here is blockbuster of the century. likelihood of this ever happening aside, its a pretty good deal for everyone but the bucks. swap out wiggins for kat, and the bucks add something else (parker, monroe. ), and this trade is the perfect paradigm shatterer. hell, maybe jokic goes to min and denver gets the additional bucks offering.

02 Oct 2017 21:48:08
update to my above comment: teague stays in min, IT goes to den, cle keeps crowder.

30 Sep 2017 14:28:45
OKC: Trey Lyles, Will Barton

Nuggets: Alex Abrines, Josh Huestis, future first

Thunder solidify their bench for a title run. They get a backup big they sorely need and a bench scorer who can thrive as a sixth man. They love having that bench wing who can fill it up and Barton could be that guy for a year.

Nuggets have so many bigs. They cash in on one netting a first and a shooter to help spread the floor.

Thoughts?

30 Sep 2017 16:35:45
Okc' 2018 1St is going to Minn. Their 2020 1st is going to Orlando. The earliest 1st round pick they can trade is 2022. don't think Denver is enticed by that. Nuggets decline.

30 Sep 2017 04:57:22
OKC-NY

OKC : K.Oquinn

NY : K.Singler + J.Huestis + 1st round pick

30 Sep 2017 05:02:41
Oquinn isn't worth a 1st round pick.

30 Sep 2017 03:50:58
Thunder-Mavericks

Thunder get Seth Curry

Mavericks get Josh Huestis, Semaj Christon & 1st rd pick (top 10 protected)

29 Sep 2017 22:29:57
Cavs - Magic

Cavs gets:
Biyombo
2020 1st Thunder (via Magic) (Top 20 protected)

Magic gets:
Shumpert
Frye
2020 2nd Miami (via Cavs)

Cavs get a defensive center to their bench unit. Biyombo is needed to protect the paint when Thomas and Rose let their man go by them on drives. Cavs have to many players on their roster and either need to cut one, or make a 2 for 1 deal.

Magic move a big contract to save money long term and to get a chance on free agents next summer. Frye is expiring and Shumpert have a player option for next year so the can possibly save 34 million in this deal.

Cavs 2017/18
Thomas/Rose/Calderon
Wade/Smith/Osman
James/Korver/Jefferson
Love/Crowder/Green
Thompson/Biyombo/Zizic

29 Sep 2017 23:33:27
Pretty solid for both teams. I like it. It helps the Cavs now and in case of a rebuild and gives Orlando the capspace they need.

30 Sep 2017 00:39:16
Don't mind it for either team.

30 Sep 2017 13:53:48
This is fairly even I quite like this Biyombo is a good rim protector so they can load up on shooters in smaller line ups and adding a future first is another asset the Cavs can use maybe flip that pick and the Nets pick for a young star later on.
Shumpert and Frye could give them the cap flexibility to let Weltman improve Hennigans mess sooner rather then later and could be used at the trade deadline too and they still get 2nd rounder to help with their build.
Overall it does help both teams with the positions their already in.

26 Sep 2017 19:10:03
thunder : chandler
nuggets : singler, huestis, 2nd round pick
sign larry sanders

westbrook/felton/caanan
roberson/abrines/ferguson/christon
pg13/chandler/grant
melo/patterson/collisom
adams/sanders

26 Sep 2017 19:27:05
That's a terrible offer for Chandler, the numbers don't look like they work, and it makes no sense for the Nuggets.

28 Sep 2017 04:06:45
That's not even the chandler they need. Try putting together a respectable and doable Tyson chandler deal. He'd be a fantastic backup 5.

25 Sep 2017 22:19:18
OKC-CHI

Thunder get: Jerian Grant, Diamond Stone.

Bulls get: Kyle Singler, 2021 OKC 2nd, TPE (Kanter), Raymond Felton.

Westbrook/Grant/Christon
Roberson/Abrines/Hamilton
George/Grant/Ferguson
Anthony/Patterson/Huestis
Adams/Collison/Stone

OKC-SAC

Thunder get: 2019 SAC 2nd, cash considerations.

Kings get: Josh Huestis, TPE (McDermott)

Westbrook/Grant/Christon
Roberson/Abrines/Hamilton
George/Grant/Ferguson
Anthony/Patterson/
Adams/Collison/Stone

25 Sep 2017 13:55:08
Its a nice idea, wade going to okc.. starting lineup: westbrook-wade-george-anthony-adams

#Big4vsBig4

25 Sep 2017 04:05:06
OKC/SAC

OKC get Kosta Koufos

SAC get Kyle Singler , Jerami Grant & 2nd round pick

OKC

Pg Westbrook/Felton/Christon
Sg Roberson/Ferguson
Sf George/Abrines
Pf Anthony/Patterson
Ce Adams/Koufos

25 Sep 2017 20:12:15
Love it! For once in a while, someone actuall posts a realistic trade!

24 Sep 2017 21:49:34
Bulls - Thunder

Bulls gets:
Singler
2018 2nd Thunder
2018 2nd Celtics (31-55 Protected)

Thunder gets:
2020 2nd Bulls (31-55 Protected)

Bulls have 7 million in cap space left now when Mirotic have signed his deal. They got a 2nd round pick when they took on Pondexters contract and now they get another one for taking on Singlers.

Thunder get a roster spot open and save 4,666,500 $ + luxury tax money when they move Singler. Now they can sign a new backup center (Hibbert?) and focus on winning a championship.

25 Sep 2017 20:14:01
🔥🔥🔥A realistic trade! 🔥🔥🔥.

24 Sep 2017 21:35:29
Knicks - Wolves

Knicks gets:
Aldrich
Bjelica
2018 1st Thunder (via Wolves)
2019 2nd Miami (via Wolves)

Wolves gets:
Lee
O'Quinn

Minnesota gets rid of Aldrich contract and receives some veterans to strengthen their bench.

Knicks take on bad players but receives 2 picks for it. The Thunder pick should be in the 26-30 range and therefore they get a future 2nd as well.

24 Sep 2017 23:06:56
I think twolves say yes. Great trade for them. Add shooting and interior toughness. Not sure if ny goes for it though.

25 Sep 2017 20:14:57
Magnus your the realistic trade god.

26 Sep 2017 04:14:38
Knicks could always use more centers. should consider the deal to play keep away or monkey in middle with 7 centers.

24 Sep 2017 14:35:51
Now that okc has melo they need to get a back up 5.
First off that happens is okc agree to deal with wade once he is bought it out.
Then u trade
jermi grant semj Christon and another in guaranteed salary and possibly a couple of second round picks if u need
Then sign a 3 string pg to
Pg:Westbrook/ Felton/ min
Sg:Roberson/ abrines/
Sf:George/ wade/ huestis
Pf: Anthony/ patterson.

24 Sep 2017 13:22:10
So let me get this right: OKC got PG13 AND Melo for Sabonis, Oladipo, McDermott, Kanter, and a second round pick???? Am I missing something? I'm just trying to make sense of this...Is Lebron next? Looking at the going rate, L.A could put together a nice package. Ingram, Clarkson, Deng, and a 1st rounder.

24 Sep 2017 14:07:40
Thunder got George because it's probably a one-year rental.
OKC paid fair market value for Anthony given his age, declining skills, lack of defensive effort and ridiculous contract.

24 Sep 2017 14:39:24
The George to LA stuff really drove down the offers for him, I think. The Pacers also messed up by not wanting to take an offer from the East even though they'll be tanking for the next 3 years.

There just wasn't much interest in Melo and he could limit the teams that were even in the running. He's 34, his salary is hard to match, he has ever growing huge holes in his game, and you have to worry about how he'll respond to being a third option.

Plus, there is the risk that all 3 could walk at the end of the year if things don't mesh well. If that happens OKC is in for 5 years of rebuilding.

24 Sep 2017 15:07:51
Also, I don't see the Cavs trading Lebron, I don't see Lebron accepting a trade, and with the underwhelming roster the Lakers have right now, I don't see why Lebron would be interested in playing there this season.

24 Sep 2017 19:48:21
I still don't get the Pacers trade.
Why couldn't we get a draft pick PG13

I think NY panicked.
They should have told C Anthony that there was nog good offer for him, so he would go to Portland.

24 Sep 2017 20:19:38
I can see Lebron going there. Lebron has nothing to prove at this put of his career is the reason I can see him leaving. Media has always driven the debate of whose the GOAT that pushed the greats to achieve the accolades, but what does that really accomplish?

I think with the politics that are being pushed into sports, I think a lot of the superstars that are on their last hoorah are going to play with who they want and where. Magic in L.A is a good selling point to Lebron as far as life after basketball. Not to mention the cap space to bring in others. He's also a student of the game. All that history behind the Purple and Gold is a lot to pass up at this stage of his career.

25 Sep 2017 01:16:19
i could see lebron taking his po next summer and doing a s+t to the lakers for a package like that (similar to the cp3 situation) . assuming other pieces align in LA obvs. a 1 year commitment is preferential to a long term deal right away if u are lebron.

25 Sep 2017 16:30:11
I'm not sure how Presti is making this work. I have to imagine, even with the handicap of LA and Melo's demands, that there were better offers on the table for both of them. My understanding is that Boston would have had a better package for George if Indy had been willing to wait a few more days for the Hayward decision, and I'm sure there were at least a couple of others.

With Melo. I'm not a huge Melo fan, and I'm not a Knicks fan, and I still think they got fleeced. I can't imagine the Rockets offers were worse, and I would assume that Portland would have been a better offer, with Melo eventually OKing a trade there. I'm wondering what Cleveland was actually throwing into the wind. There's not a whole lot that they have to offer, so anything other than Frye and Shumpert and nothing else would have been better as well.

Presti is already GM of the year. That should be a REALLY fun starting 5, with three dynamic scorers, a rebounding/ defending center who is capable on the offensive side and a top wing stopper. This is probably the most well rounded starting 5 the Thunder have had since they moved to OKC.

23 Sep 2017 21:02:31
I think OKC are the biggest winners of the offseason now

Remaining moves:

•Trade Kyle Singler, Boston's 2018 2nd, and own 2019 2nd to Chicago for Jerian Grant

-Sign David Lee

Lineup:
PG: Westbrook, Felton, Grant
SG: Roberson, Abrines, Ferguson
SF: George, Grant, Huestis
PF: Anthony, Patterson, Collison
C: Adams, Lee, Johnson

2 way contracts: Daniel Hamilton and Semaj Christon.

23 Sep 2017 21:09:00
It's time for league to force Dolan to sell the team.

23 Sep 2017 18:41:47
Okc/knicks

Melo for kanter, mcbuckets, and a second rounder next year. Wow. Bad trade for knicks. Horrible return.

23 Sep 2017 19:19:04
I figured they would atleast get a protected first. They should have bought out Melo. Kanter's contract is terrible and McDermott and are fairly irrelevant. I guess Supercollider was overestimating Melo's value this whole time.

23 Sep 2017 20:28:21
Two marginal players and a second. About right for Anthony. Thunder on the hook for $56 million over next two years. Not much left over for anyone else if Westbrook signs supermax deal.

24 Sep 2017 02:00:17
they do have pg’s bird rights. but yeah, no money for role players.

23 Sep 2017 14:38:37
NYK - OKC - DET

NYK get: Reggie Jackson, Enes Kanter, Alex Albrines, and Doug McDermott

Pg. Jackson
Sg. THJ
Sf. McDermott
Pf. Porzingis
C. Hernangomez

OKC get: Carmelo Anthony, Andre Drummond, and Joakim Noah

Pg. Westbrook
Sg. Roberson
Sf. George
Pf. Anthony
C. Drummond

DET get: Steven Adams, Courtney Lee, Kyle Singler, and Josh Huestis

Pg. Bradley
Sg. Lee
Sf. Johnson
Pf. Harris
C. Adams

23 Sep 2017 14:54:11
Lmao, I I wish u change your name already poser Knicks fan.

23 Sep 2017 15:04:57
The Knicks would be better off buying out Melo than taking on two bad contracts and getting little of value back.

I don't like it for Detroit either. The downgrade at center and nothing else there seems all that valuable.

23 Sep 2017 15:21:24
adding drummond and noah’s huge contracts would give the thunder no flexibility to improve their roster next year (and huge luxury tax), especially if they resign PG and russ.

23 Sep 2017 07:16:34
Ranking the Melo trade options in order
Deadline: 9/25/17
1 . Trade Melo to the Cavaliers for Shumpert, three expirings (Frye, Jefferson, Felder) & 2018 Nets 1st.
PG Thomas / Rose
SG Smith / Korver
SF James / Crowder
PF Love / Anthony
C Thompson / Zizic

2 . Trade Melo to the Blazers for Harkless, three expirings (Davis, Vonleah, Napier) and a future 1st.
PG Lillard - Turner
SG McCollum - Connuaghton
SF Aminu - Layman
PF Anthony - Leonard
C Nurkic - Collins

3 . Houston gives Anderson and a 2nd to Pacers; non-guaranteed contracts/1st to Knicks. Pacers send short-term deals (Jefferson/Stephenson) to Knicks. Knicks trade Melo to Rockets.
PG Paul / Brown
SG Harden / Gordon
SF Ariza / Tucker
PF Anthony / Mbah A Moute
C Capela / Nene

4 . Thunder gives Kanter and a 2nd to Mavericks; Doug McDermott (expiring) to the Knicks. Mavericks Barea, two expirings (McRoberts, Harris) to the Knicks. Knicks trade Melo to Thunder.
PG Westbrook / Felton
SG Roberson / Abrines
SF George / Grant
PF Anthony / Patterson
C Adams / Collison

23 Sep 2017 07:31:37
The Cavs aren't giving up the Nets pick for Melo and it would take more to get the Pacers to take on Andersons contract. A 2nd isn't even almost worth it.

23 Sep 2017 16:51:42
Yeah, no way Cleveland includes the nets pick unless porzingis is included as well (which obviously won't happen) .

23 Sep 2017 18:00:20
Maybe the cavs pick but no way are they trading the Brooklyn pickf for melo.

23 Sep 2017 18:35:52
Indy would want a first

Portland would be a good fit for him.

 
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