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24 Jul 2022 23:20:49
5 team mega trade

NY/UTA/POR/DET/HOU

Utah loses: Donovan Mitchell, Udoka Azubuike, Jordan Clarkson

Utah gets: Julius Randle, Immanuel Quickley, Josh Hart, Cory Joseph, Eric Gordon, Didi Louzada, 3x 2023 1st (NY via WAS, DET and DAL), 1x 2024 1st (NY), 2x 2024 2nd (DET, POR), 1x 2023 2nd (HOU) future pick swaps depending on how the 1sts convey and/or another future 1st via NY

Portland loses: Josh Hart, Didi Louzada, Justice Winslow, 2024 2nd

Portland gets: Jordan Clarkson, Udoka Azubuike

New York loses: Julius Randle, Immanuel Quickley, Derrick Rose, 3x 2023 1st (NY via WAS, DET and DAL), 1x 2024 1st (NY)

New York gets: Donovan Mitchell, Kelly Olynyk

Detroit loses: Kelly Olynyk, Cory Joseph, 2024 2nd

Detroit gets: Cam Reddish

Houston loses: Eric Gordon, 2023 2nd

Houston gets: Derrick Rose, Justice Winslow


most of the vet contracts have 2 or less years left which offers both short and long term financial flexibility for all 5 teams.

fills needs and/or wants for all 5 teams.

Houston, Portland and Detroit steal a little bit of value at first glance but it all works itself out once these contracts are all up (Joseph, Olynyk, Rose, Gordon) and the money works in this deal for everyone. it even keeps Portland below the tax threshold which is surprising difficult to do.

Utah gets a nice haul of quality rotation players, expiring contracts, a couple of prospects and a lot of draft capital

Pistons get a much needed wing that needs development but has upside

Rockets get a couple of vets to help their young core.

also if you object cause you think the Pistons are stealing too much value (nothing knew for a Pistons fan to hear and i expect Disagrees based on that alone) then a solution is to send Reddish to Utah and NAW to DET if that makes you feel better.

oh god this post looks like an MD post. i must be bored af.

iFroth

1.) 25 Jul 2022 04:52:41
Utah wants more, especially young all stars. Randle, Quickley, Hart, and a bunch of filler doesn't move the needle.

Portland gives up too much IMO. Hart himself is worth more than Clarkson and Azubuike.

New York doesn't give up enough. Getting the best player by far in the trade, Utah already asked for far more than this from New York and scared New York off.

Detroit doesn't give up enough. 2 bench players on bad teams and a 2nd Rd pick us not enough for the former lottery pick that still has upside.

Houston doesn't give up enough. Rose and Winslow both still have a lot of gas in the tank and Gordon and a 2nd is not enough.


2.) 25 Jul 2022 05:53:29
fair point. it is always difficult to use Portland in trades due to everyone on their roster either making too much/ being too important or on a cheap contract/ important enough to keep around unless an affordable upgrade comes along.

Utah could absorb a few expiring contracts, which are more than just "throw ins" simply for the fact that the Jazz can play these guys and flip them at the deadline for even more young/ draft assets + future financial flexibility, which can be more of an asset than we know if Troy Weaver taught us anything.

everything in the NBA is at an impasse because any KD, Mitchell or Kyrie trade would need at least a 3rd team maybe even a 4th to facilitate. back to the trade machine we go!


 

 

11 Jul 2022 01:56:05
DET/MIL small trade

MIL gets Braxton Key

DET gets Jordan Nwora

iFroth

1.) 11 Jul 2022 04:15:47
Jordan Nwora is a bench wing that I too have had my eye on.


 

 

29 Jun 2022 18:21:00
the Celtics really like Alec Burks.

Celts: Burks

Pistons: 2023 2nd rounder, a future 2nd rounder

Pistons could sign Gary Harris for the MLE

iFroth

1.) 29 Jun 2022 20:52:51
Boston already turned down a deal for Burks.


 

 

29 Jun 2022 03:41:33
Alec Burks, Nerlens Noel and 2 future 2nds are going to the Pistons.

eating more Knicks salary, getting draft assets AND getting 2 veterans that would have cost more in free agency. just wow. its a big W for both teams

Knicks still hunting after Murray and Brunson

iFroth

1.) 29 Jun 2022 04:01:33
the Pistons will end up having even MORE cap space next offseason and potentially draft another blue chip prospect or two in 2023.

i REALLY hope New York gets their guy. they helped the Pistons more than they realize just for freeing up $30 mil in cap.

i feel better right now as a Detroit fan than i did in 2004 when the Pistons won the chip.


2.) 29 Jun 2022 05:13:16
Kinda surprised NY got off those two so cheaply. Thought for sure it would have cost then the Dallas first rounder to salary dump them.


3.) 29 Jun 2022 05:29:40
they both are entering the final year of their contracts and Detroit kinda needed a C to bring Duren along slowly and a 3 and D veteran wing off the bench.

the Pistons literally had nothing last season so its crazy how they are stacking up with depth and the Knicks are a natural trade partner so they can free up 30 mil.


 

 

28 Jun 2022 06:22:18
3 team s&t NY/PHX/SA

SA: Ayton, Toppin, 2 future 1sts (via DAL and DET) maybe a 3rd pick if needed

PHX: Poeltl, Quickley, Fournier

NY: Murray

Spurs have a lot of young guards and lack in the front court.

Suns get some value for losing Ayton

Knicks get their coveted PG

iFroth

1.) 28 Jun 2022 12:56:47
The Suns should give Ayton his contract
But i like this for all teams.

the Knicks would improve a lot with Murray
The suns get a cheap replacement
And the rebuilding spurs get great assets.


2.) 28 Jun 2022 14:07:53
base year compensation rule kills this deal. suns can only take back about half of Ayton's new salary.


3.) 28 Jun 2022 17:09:40
replace Fournier with Reddish?


 

 

 

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27 Jun 2022 23:56:20
Lakers should hold on to Westbrook until the trade deadline, he will have much more value then. they might actually GET assets back instead of having to GIVE assets just to trade him now. especially if he has a better season.

Lakers are closing on a rebuild. maximize the assets (Westbrook COULD be an asset, yes) and start thinking about the future.

iFroth

1.) 28 Jun 2022 04:09:10
You are presumming that someone WANTS Westbrook. Not sure that is exactly true anymore.


2.) 28 Jun 2022 14:44:00
I realize that people have short memories and it’s a “what have you done for me lately” league. But are people going to forget who Westbrook is in a few months.

They could probably trade him without giving up assets at the deadline, so long as they take back an equally bad contract. But I can’t see them getting anything positive.


 

 

27 Jun 2022 13:36:11
question for MD

what is Jonathan Isaac value right now?

if the Pistons were to inquire, what would be a reasonable asking price?

iFroth

1.) 27 Jun 2022 14:53:47
I absolutely love Issac but he's one of the biggest question marks in the league.


2.) 27 Jun 2022 15:11:40
Cheapest Detroit coud get him would probably be Olynyk + Top 4 protected first rounder that begins 2 years after Detroit conveys the first that they currently owe the Knicks.


3.) 27 Jun 2022 21:45:54
Pistons doesn’t have anything Magic would be interested to have only Hornets they offer Hayward & McDaniel plus Nuggets first round pick in 2023 if they lose Bridges.


 

 

25 Jun 2022 06:00:30
it is looking more likely that Ayton will end up with the Spurs. its a good fit but i am confused why they are shopping DeJounte Murray?

iFroth

1.) 25 Jun 2022 13:00:46
this is beginning to look like the league wide rush chasing Kawhi when he demanded a trade. i almost expect to be surprised whichever team ends up with him.


2.) 25 Jun 2022 13:54:38
Murray would be a great add for the Pels.


 

 

24 Jun 2022 01:50:38
hey MD

that haul from Portland for Grant just got Detroit Jalen Duren. and also Jaden Ivey fell to 5.

i am really enjoying this.

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23 Jun 2022 00:04:02
the reason the Pistons did the deal with Portland is simple. every other team wanted us to take money back. with this trade, its all draft capital.

puts Detroit at $43 mil. i can see Joseph and Olynyk getting moved, declining CO on Diallo and Jackson.

#5 and #36 picks + enough money to add at least 1 impact player in FA plus a couple of others.

i think the approach is you are on a rookie scale contract and if you prove to deserve an extension, you get one. if not, best wishes.

iFroth

1.) 23 Jun 2022 01:17:57
I feel like this is a sure sign they're going to go hard after a guy like Ayton.

I don't think it was a bad deal if the goal was to clear cap and roster space for free agency and the draft. If they get the guys they want, then it's a win for them. No one can say they got fleeced if it lines up with their plans for the summer. It's all relative to what any given team is looking for out of a deal.


2.) 23 Jun 2022 01:18:52
This is true; what they got for Grant is not just the draft picks, but rather the draft picks plus whoever they sign using his departed money.


3.) 23 Jun 2022 05:34:05
Not buying it. Detroit could have easily sent Grant to Phoenixin the S&T for Ayton.


4.) 23 Jun 2022 15:06:48
Phoenix would have wanted to take Grant back.


 

 

 

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25 Sep 2022 23:36:57
Troy Weaver likes Noel for C depth and maybe to mentor Duren. with all these young guys Olynyk was the only veteran big man now its Noel. Diallo could be moved but the Pistons want to see if he has improved enough with his perimeter shot and off ball defense to be a true asset moving forward. Troy is NOT trading a single morsel of draft capital. Joseph can be waived or gifted to a team i don't care i'd rather see Kemba Walker as the 3rd PG and let CoJo walk.

McDermott would be a great bench shooter to pair with Alec Burks so i would do Diallo + Joseph for McDermott which is a move that sounds like a Troy Weaver move. trade for useful vets, play them but keep them healthy then trade them at the deadline.

Bogdanovic, Burks, Noel, Kemba Walker, Diallo could all be flipped at the deadline for 1 or 2 first round picks and maybe a young prospect.

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24 Sep 2022 00:18:21
looks like you overvalued Bojan Bogdanovic in the proposal. Utah sent him to Detroit for Kelly Olynyk and Saben Lee.

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20 Sep 2022 23:54:25
only way Isaac gets his value up is by playing and staying healthy in an Orlando uniform. then the GM will have one of those good types of decisions. do we keep this guy long term or trade him for a 1st and maybe a young player attached.

things take time and the first step is Isaac needs to play and show he can still play at a high level and not re-injure himself. if he plays around 60 games and performs well then you are in good shape.

there is also the chance he never bounces back and just ends up retiring early due to medical problems. its happened before and its sad but its how life goes. that's worst case scenario though.

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20 Sep 2022 23:51:06
Isaac needs to play a full healthy season before anyone wastes a 1st round pick on him. GMs are smarter than that.

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19 Sep 2022 23:49:48
Hayward has 2 years left. not sure about Rozier but i would rather have him on my team than deal him away cause with Bridges situation, LaMelo is gonna need help and Rozier was crucial to their success last season.

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