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28 May 2023 19:05:04
Spurs: #5 pick, Wiseman, Diallo
Pistons: Keldon Johnson
1.) 30 May 2023 00:12:13
Huh? Johnson isn’t worth a first.
19 May 2023 01:13:18
Mavs: Bogdanovic, #31
Pistons: Bertans, #10
1.) 19 May 2023 02:41:22
This is horrible for Dallas. Like, one of the worst trades I've seen here.
2.) 19 May 2023 08:07:53
Overvaluing Bogdanovich.
3.) 20 May 2023 00:30:15
Pistons sure have a ton of haters.
10 May 2023 11:02:43
Pistons get: Jonathan Isaac, 2nd round pick
Magic get: Alec Burks
1.) 10 May 2023 15:58:58
No thank you.
2.) 10 May 2023 16:38:43
Waiting for MD to tell you that Isaac is a gem. ?.
3.) 10 May 2023 18:18:02
Isaac will be released and the Magic will save an additional $17+ million in cap. The Magic realistically won't get even a 2nd Rd pick for him. It's too bad, when healthy he is great, but he just can't stay healthy.
4.) 11 May 2023 07:28:02
Before the Wolves traded for Gobert, I thought Isaac would make the perfect PF next to Towns.
Even if the Wolves trade Towns, Isaac would be a good pickup for them. Isaac and McDaniels could make a great defensive combo at the forward spots.
5.) 11 May 2023 07:31:10
i am just thinking since the Magic are closer to contention than the Pistons, they could use a veteran that is much better than Gary Harris (who i KNOW MD hates) plus you get to unload Isaac and giving away a 2nd round pick as charity for the poor.
6.) 11 May 2023 12:45:40
@iFroth the idea is all well and good, but I have 2 issues with it. #1: Alec Burks isn't very good and most likely would get cut
#2: I don't believe any team wants to pay Isaac the $17 million he would be owed for next season. Better to wait for Orlando to cut him and then give him a minimum prove it deal.
7.) 11 May 2023 16:42:48
Kings ate sitting there waiting for that Minimum prove it deal.
21 Oct 2022 00:06:33
trade deadline
DET/BRK/LAL
Lakers get: Kyrie, Diallo
Nets get: Bogey, Burks, Noel, 1st from Lakers
Pistons get: Westbrook, Cam Thomas, Damian Jones, Troy Brown Jr.
24 Jul 2022 23:20:49
5 team mega trade
NY/UTA/POR/DET/HOU
Utah loses: Donovan Mitchell, Udoka Azubuike, Jordan Clarkson
Utah gets: Julius Randle, Immanuel Quickley, Josh Hart, Cory Joseph, Eric Gordon, Didi Louzada, 3x 2023 1st (NY via WAS, DET and DAL), 1x 2024 1st (NY), 2x 2024 2nd (DET, POR), 1x 2023 2nd (HOU) future pick swaps depending on how the 1sts convey and/or another future 1st via NY
Portland loses: Josh Hart, Didi Louzada, Justice Winslow, 2024 2nd
Portland gets: Jordan Clarkson, Udoka Azubuike
New York loses: Julius Randle, Immanuel Quickley, Derrick Rose, 3x 2023 1st (NY via WAS, DET and DAL), 1x 2024 1st (NY)
New York gets: Donovan Mitchell, Kelly Olynyk
Detroit loses: Kelly Olynyk, Cory Joseph, 2024 2nd
Detroit gets: Cam Reddish
Houston loses: Eric Gordon, 2023 2nd
Houston gets: Derrick Rose, Justice Winslow
most of the vet contracts have 2 or less years left which offers both short and long term financial flexibility for all 5 teams.
fills needs and/or wants for all 5 teams.
Houston, Portland and Detroit steal a little bit of value at first glance but it all works itself out once these contracts are all up (Joseph, Olynyk, Rose, Gordon) and the money works in this deal for everyone. it even keeps Portland below the tax threshold which is surprising difficult to do.
Utah gets a nice haul of quality rotation players, expiring contracts, a couple of prospects and a lot of draft capital
Pistons get a much needed wing that needs development but has upside
Rockets get a couple of vets to help their young core.
also if you object cause you think the Pistons are stealing too much value (nothing knew for a Pistons fan to hear and i expect Disagrees based on that alone) then a solution is to send Reddish to Utah and NAW to DET if that makes you feel better.
oh god this post looks like an MD post. i must be bored af.
1.) 25 Jul 2022 04:52:41
Utah wants more, especially young all stars. Randle, Quickley, Hart, and a bunch of filler doesn't move the needle.
Portland gives up too much IMO. Hart himself is worth more than Clarkson and Azubuike.
New York doesn't give up enough. Getting the best player by far in the trade, Utah already asked for far more than this from New York and scared New York off.
Detroit doesn't give up enough. 2 bench players on bad teams and a 2nd Rd pick us not enough for the former lottery pick that still has upside.
Houston doesn't give up enough. Rose and Winslow both still have a lot of gas in the tank and Gordon and a 2nd is not enough.
2.) 25 Jul 2022 05:53:29
fair point. it is always difficult to use Portland in trades due to everyone on their roster either making too much/ being too important or on a cheap contract/ important enough to keep around unless an affordable upgrade comes along.
Utah could absorb a few expiring contracts, which are more than just "throw ins" simply for the fact that the Jazz can play these guys and flip them at the deadline for even more young/ draft assets + future financial flexibility, which can be more of an asset than we know if Troy Weaver taught us anything.
everything in the NBA is at an impasse because any KD, Mitchell or Kyrie trade would need at least a 3rd team maybe even a 4th to facilitate. back to the trade machine we go!
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16 Apr 2023 15:29:45
any Pistons fans up in here?
most fanbases that don't know the deal will look at 17 wins as the team being really bad. when you lose 8 regular rotation players (including your franchise guy) and factor in having a coach that is more about developing young players and being a role model for them, it can spell the recipe for a disastrous season.
this offseason is critical to the immediate and long term future. when Troy Weaver inherited that trainwreck in 2020 with Luke Kennard as our best trade chip, it was pretty hopeless. we didn't have "rebuild jumpstarter packs" like Houston (Harden), OKC (Paul George, Westbrook) NO (Davis) or Orlando (Vucevic, Gordon)
Weaver gutted that entire roster and restocked with young talent over the next 3 years. but he hung on to Casey as the coach, albeit Casey was never "his guy" for that position, he took the bullets on the frontline for a young team that was learning the NBA game. he took the L's on his coaching record and that says a ton about the kind of person he is so much so that it landed him a FO position.
the culture is great. plenty of talented, hardworking young men who are establishing a brotherhood on and off the court. very attractive destination for any head coach, but Weaver will bring in the right guy, he is an intelligent GM and he stated "i know exactly what this team needs"
so here we are with stacked with guards and bigs all with different skill sets. we need wings BADLY
with a top 5 pick upcoming in the draft as well as $40-50 mil in cap space, what is the ideal offseason?
Weaver said that he really likes like 7 guys in this draft, so the draft position is something he is not too worried about, with a guaranteed top 5 pick. obviously if you land at 1 you take Wembenyama, a special type of talent that doesn't come around too often you don't see 7'5" players handling the rock like a PG and he is solely focused on basketball, so many great things about this dude.
but we could get screwed by lady luck again, despite having the worst record in the league with the lottery being "controlled" i may be biased a little bit but i feel our fanbase deserves Wemby after everything we have endured for well over a decade, capped off by this past season finishing with the 2nd worst record in franchise history.
back on topic, we don't need Scoot. teams out there need Scoot. if we fall to 2, would you feel comfortable taking Brandon Miller, the best wing in the draft who can make an impact day 1? is there a way we can trade down from 2, get an additional asset AND still get Miller?
the experimental phase is over. we need the best player at a position of need and Miller fits that perfectly. if we do nothing else in the draft but get Miller, that would be perfectly fine!
which leads us to free agency. nothing crazy but i would like to see at least 1 major addition to the wing room. Grant Williams should be the target here. Dillon Brooks second option.
so heading into next season with a new HC and a healthy roster we have a lot to look forward to! what are your thoughts?
1.) 16 Apr 2023 20:18:56
draft Brandon Miller and see how the Cade-Ivey-Miller work together. Has Ivey-Cade played enough games together to know how that tandem works together?
As for the cap space/ FA, I would probable wait on that. Maybe sign some vets to 1-year deals. I doubt Grant Williams or Dillon Brooks are "reasonable" targets that Detroit can get.
2.) 17 Apr 2023 01:37:54
so waiting on a FA, who are targets next offseason that are "reasonable" targets?
3.) 17 Apr 2023 02:42:22
FA wise I really think it depends what the team wants to do. Do they think Cade/ Ivey/ Bogi/ Duren and their top pick can make playoffs? Or contend if they splash in FA?
I think they need to get another PG & wing. I believe max they can have is $26mil
Target a combo of like
PG: Schroder, Jackson, Vincent
Wing: Levert, Divincenzo, Nowell, Oubre.
4.) 17 Apr 2023 23:03:30
their cap space can hit around $47 mil if they let go of the cap holds of Joseph, Diallo and McGruder and allow them to become free agents (probably re-signing McGruder for his experience and guidance for the youth)
we still have another year of Ded cap paying Dedmon and that is close to $2 mil.
Grant Williams can be a very real signing for the Pistons if he wants to get some $$$ and be a part of a young core about to be on the rise.
i would love to see a starting lineup like this
Cunningham
Ivey
Williams
Miller
Duren.
27 Jun 2022 23:56:20
Lakers should hold on to Westbrook until the trade deadline, he will have much more value then. they might actually GET assets back instead of having to GIVE assets just to trade him now. especially if he has a better season.
Lakers are closing on a rebuild. maximize the assets (Westbrook COULD be an asset, yes) and start thinking about the future.
1.) 28 Jun 2022 04:09:10
You are presumming that someone WANTS Westbrook. Not sure that is exactly true anymore.
2.) 28 Jun 2022 14:44:00
I realize that people have short memories and it’s a “what have you done for me lately” league. But are people going to forget who Westbrook is in a few months.
They could probably trade him without giving up assets at the deadline, so long as they take back an equally bad contract. But I can’t see them getting anything positive.
27 Jun 2022 13:36:11
question for MD
what is Jonathan Isaac value right now?
if the Pistons were to inquire, what would be a reasonable asking price?
1.) 27 Jun 2022 14:53:47
I absolutely love Issac but he's one of the biggest question marks in the league.
2.) 27 Jun 2022 15:11:40
Cheapest Detroit coud get him would probably be Olynyk + Top 4 protected first rounder that begins 2 years after Detroit conveys the first that they currently owe the Knicks.
3.) 27 Jun 2022 21:45:54
Pistons doesn’t have anything Magic would be interested to have only Hornets they offer Hayward & McDaniel plus Nuggets first round pick in 2023 if they lose Bridges.
25 Jun 2022 06:00:30
it is looking more likely that Ayton will end up with the Spurs. its a good fit but i am confused why they are shopping DeJounte Murray?
1.) 25 Jun 2022 13:00:46
this is beginning to look like the league wide rush chasing Kawhi when he demanded a trade. i almost expect to be surprised whichever team ends up with him.
2.) 25 Jun 2022 13:54:38
Murray would be a great add for the Pels.
24 Jun 2022 01:50:38
hey MD
that haul from Portland for Grant just got Detroit Jalen Duren. and also Jaden Ivey fell to 5.
i am really enjoying this.
21 Jun 2023 21:43:13
Pacers get robbed.
19 Jun 2023 23:18:28
not adding a guy who can't stay healthy while risking both the short and long term future of the team.
19 Jun 2023 22:58:01
LOL is this a joke?
15 Jun 2023 23:13:49
i don't think the Pistons are actively trying to trade Beef Stew and if so, it would not be in a deal like this.
15 Jun 2023 00:38:50
trades like this should get you IP banned.
17 Apr 2023 23:03:30
their cap space can hit around $47 mil if they let go of the cap holds of Joseph, Diallo and McGruder and allow them to become free agents (probably re-signing McGruder for his experience and guidance for the youth)
we still have another year of Ded cap paying Dedmon and that is close to $2 mil.
Grant Williams can be a very real signing for the Pistons if he wants to get some $$$ and be a part of a young core about to be on the rise.
i would love to see a starting lineup like this
Cunningham
Ivey
Williams
Miller
Duren.
17 Apr 2023 01:37:54
so waiting on a FA, who are targets next offseason that are "reasonable" targets?