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25 Jul 2023 14:12:59
This is going to be a Boston post:
The Celtics are going into next season with Tatum/Porzingis.
Brown is now going to sign 5/300? No way. But he will get a lot. There are no concievable stars worth targeting for Brown- Luka/Giannis/Embiid are the only three are there is no chance of any deal in those markets.
For these reasons, Boston can go all in right now and set themselves up to win 2-3 championships by trading for a fourth star.
They have as trade bait and filler:
Brogdon (22.5 mil)
Derrick White (18.3 mil)
Robert Williams (11.5 mil)
Horford (10 mil)
Pritchard (4 mil)
Celtics 2024-2031 first, Warriors 2024 first, tons of second rounders
I think Boston, if they choose to go after a third star, will look for one thing: a 2-4 year deal.
Ideas:
Package 1:
Brogdon, Horford, Robert Williams, 4 1RP, 5 2RP
Targets: Kawhi/ Zion/ Zach Lavine (for less picks)
Package 2:
Brogdon, Derrick White, Robert Williams, Payton Pritchard, 4 1RP, 4 2RP
Targets: Trae Young, Anthony Edwards, Dame, Ja Morant
Package 3 (rookie deal targets):
Robert Williams, 2 1RP
Targets: Josh Giddey
Package 4 (4th key piece, keep core but send away all of the picks):
Brogdon, 3 1RP, 3 2RP
Targets: Anfernee Simmons, Lonzo Ball (I'm not joking)
1.) 25 Jul 2023 14:46:23
I don't like Zion or Kawhi
LaVine would be a good fit in boston
I like the 2nd package, J Morant would be awesome, And T Young would be a good alternative. I don't think Minny would trade Edwards without including J Brown.
I don't see why OKC would trade Giddey
L Ball could be cheap and he provides everything Boston needs, he would be great if he can stay healty.
2.) 25 Jul 2023 14:58:51
First error. 2031 picks are not available for trade.
Second error. Lonzo Ball is not tradeable because Chicago received an approved injury exception with him missing the upcoming season.
3.) 25 Jul 2023 15:16:39
Horrible take that Brown is not getting 5/ $300 literally minutes before it is announced that Brown is getting 5/ $300.
4.) 25 Jul 2023 16:47:20
60mil a year is ridiculous for a non superstar.
5.) 25 Jul 2023 17:51:20
It looks like a lot of money, and it is, but before you know it there will be 20 players making more.
6.) 25 Jul 2023 19:28:04
NBA All-2nd-Team is a non-superstar? That is literally one of the top 10 players last season.
7.) 25 Jul 2023 19:28:58
NBA16, many more to come ?.
8.) 25 Jul 2023 20:11:27
Yup. Brown is not a superstar. I agree with NBA16. He is a legit allstar though. But about 5 players not in the 1st and 2nd all NBA is arguably better than him. He is not worth that money in any case but as mentioned above, this will be the norm in the NBA ??♂️.
9.) 25 Jul 2023 20:36:13
I have a hard time claiming a 6yr player with 2 all stars and 1 All-nba a superstar. I’ll give him star label.
18 Jul 2023 16:29:46
Now this is a fantasy but lets play around:
Celtics: Embid, Anfernee Simmons
Sixers: Jaylen Brown, filler from Clippers, 4 Celtics 1sts/ swaps, all of the Clippers picks, first from Portland
Blazers: Robert Williams, Derrick White
Clippers: Harden
1.) 18 Jul 2023 21:05:29
The difference in value between Embiid and Jaylen Brown is not even close to 4 1st Rd picks. Hell, I'd argue that it's probably 1 1st Rd pick at best.
2.) 18 Jul 2023 22:02:48
The value difference between a solid star and an MVP is massive Shaq. This shouldn’t be undersold. Yeah, 4 firsts is the difference at least.
And I hate this for Portland. I’m not sure I’d do it without including a first. Absolutely no chance I’d trade Simons and a first for Williams.
3.) 19 Jul 2023 01:22:28
White has zero fit in Portland. Robert Williams would be a fantastic get for Portland, but no way is worth Simons and a 1st.
18 Jul 2023 16:16:18
This is a pretty crazy idea here but let's play around with it:
Celtics: Ja Morant, Ben Simmons
Nets: Brogdon, Horford
Grizzlies: Derrick White, Robert Williams, Pritchard, Clowney, Jaylen Wilson Celtics 2024 first, Warriors 2024 first, Celtics 2025 swap, 2025 Suns pick (Via Nets), Celtics 2026 Pick
Celtics Roster:
Morant, Brown, Tatum, Simmons, Porzingis (win the trade here)
Memphis gets a lot in return for JA, including pairing JJJ with Rob Williams
Brooklyn loses some good young players to move Simmons contract and get a solid Brogdon in return
1.) 18 Jul 2023 22:42:34
Grizz already don’t have enough roster spots to take on all these players. And I wouldn’t trade Ja for depth pieces.
18 Jul 2023 16:04:45
Celtics sign Brown.
Celtics get Trae Young, Patty Mills
Hawks get Brogdon, White, Robert Williams, Pritchard, Celtics 2024 1st, Warriors 2024 First, Celtics 2025 swap, Celtics 2026 1st, Celtics 2027 swap
Roster:
Young
Brown
Tatum
Porzingis
Horford
1.) 20 Jul 2023 21:11:29
The Hawks won't give Trae up . Jalen Brown wants to come to the A . to play with him.
11 Jul 2023 17:00:33
Brad Stevens has been stockpiling picks to shove all in. With Brown's looming extension, the timeline fits right now for a trade. (I guess the deadline could work but easiest to get it done before Brown inks)
Celtics untouchables:
Tatum/Porzingis
The only player JB will realistically be traded for is Luka Doncic. I don't see Luka happening because Mavs are actually pretty deep right now.
I would flirt with a potential Steph Curry option if I was Boston where the Celtics give the Warriors Brown/Rob Williams and all of their picks, but this doesn't make any sense for Golden State. Kawhi two years ago would make sense but no longer. The Lakers won't move Anthony Davis, but he is an option I think the Boston would not entertain a Brown/Rob Williams for Davis swap. If Boston relocated to the West they could call about Embid but let's not get ahead of ourselves.
As of now, the Celtics are absolutely contenders with:
White/Brogdon
Brown
Tatum
Porzingis/ Horford
Rob Williams
To me, further blowing up depth only make sense if the Celtics can land a third superstar, that can take the ball up or in a Jokic-unicorn way, take pressure off Brown/Tatum's perimeter smothering. I would say Porzingis brings some of this but who knows.
Without including Brown, the Celtics can include the following assets for a trade in the coming days: Brogdon, White and Rob Williams+ all of their picks and an extra first and a ton of seconds to involve a third/ fourth team.
Trade targets with package including Brogdon/ White/ Williams and 4+ firsts: Dame/ Ja Morant/ Zion/ Trae Young/ Lamelo Ball
Everyone on here talks about Dame so I won't even get into it, but I do think a Dame/Brown/Tatum/ Porzingis core would be lethal. It doesn't seem like Dame agrees though!
Ja would be the dream and would make both Tatum and Brown better (to me more so than Dame). Celtics should do everything they possibly can to get Ja, deal with his antics and establish unequivocally the best starting 5 in the NBA for the foreseeable future (Ja/Brown/Tatum/ Porzingis+ it could even be me (a 6 foot on paper Jewish guy at center!).
Zion doesn't fit or improve the Brown/ Tatum/ Porzingis pairing. If Brad is sold on Zion being the next Lebron, a Brown/Zion swap could make sense but otherwise this is a pass. For the record, I am absolutely not sold on Zion so let's just write this off for the sake of moving along.
Trae Young is interesting. This is a second-tier option to JA. I don't really know why the Hawks would bite but if it can get done, the Celtics would be set nicely for the future.
I'm joking about Lamelo. Calm down. Just keep reading.
Trade targets for package not including Rob Williams: (Brogdon/ White/ couple firsts):
Zach Lavine/ CJ McCollum/ KAT/ Siakam/ Derozan/ Paul George
Porzingis and KAT don't make sense. Lavine won't take the ball up. Derozan and PG shouldn't even be on this list.
CJ McCollum is interesting. Is he a major improvement over White? Yes, I actually think he is. Is he an absolute true point guard? No. Does Brogdon and a couple of picks down the road make up the difference? I'm not sure but neither is Brad Stevens so it's probably a pass.
Bottom line: Robert Williams is certainty a fit with Tatum/Brown/Porzingis at center. Health comes into question but let's ignore that for now.
Unfortunately, Brogdon and White sharing the point with Pritchard may just not be enough to take pressure of the Jays and actually help them improve.
Essentially, the Celtics could put themselves in an even better position if they could pull of a trade for Ja, Dame or Trae. Brown/Tatum/Porzingis+ a third star (may I say fourth?) at guard gets makes the Celtics overwhelming title favorites and cements them as the best NBA roster for the foreseeable future.
1.) 11 Jul 2023 20:01:53
If I were the Celtics I would trade Jalen Brown to Blazers for Scoot Henderson + Simons + Nurkic
Dame can stay with Portland. Celtics avoid the break the bank extension for Brown. Scoot looks like he could be ready to help this year if not next year. They would be set for several years.
2.) 11 Jul 2023 20:29:40
You can add as many late first as you want, but you're not getting another star without getting rid of brown teams aren't stupid.
3.) 12 Jul 2023 10:34:28
What if. The Celtics and Brown reach an agreement. They can now trade him after a year.
It's been floated that the Celtics could offer Brown and Porzingis ( and whatever else) to Milwaukee for Giannis, who's a FA, after next season?
I know he wants to play in LA. But who knows, a lot can happen in a year.
4.) 12 Jul 2023 20:38:37
Once they offer the max extension to Brown, the Celtics are stuck with him for better or worse. I hope it works out, but I fear that his contract will eventually be labeled as the worst contract in the league. taking the place of Ben Simmons.
5.) 12 Jul 2023 21:14:28
Is Portland stuck with Dame? No, they're not. He's going to be traded. Max and Supermax deals are now the norm. Those deals will be as tradable as they always were.
I think signing a supermax deal, makes him more tradable not less. If they traded Brown now, they would obviously get less, because Brown would be a rental. If he's signed, they can't trade him for a year, but since his salary is set, teams would trade for him and the C's would get much more value.
6.) 13 Jul 2023 00:44:01
Brogdon and picks for Terry Rozier. That’s it.
7.) 13 Jul 2023 03:29:13
How would Brown’s contract come anywhere close to the worst in the league (minus a mental or physical breakdown)? He’s 26. He’s averaged 23+, 6+, 3+ on borderline elite efficiency the last 3 years. He’s a good defender. He plays an important position and can play multiple positions.
I just don’t see it.
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25 Jul 2023 19:42:20
Can I get a little credit for my earlier post predicting JB not getting 5/304 minutes before he did.
Celtics are toast unless he learns to dribble!
1.) 25 Jul 2023 20:40:27
Could look like a Beal type contract later on.
25 Jul 2023 13:52:53
I just don't love it for NOP. BI is 25 and could be their a piece of a big 2/ 3 if Zion can recover a little. Giddey doesn't fit so well into the OKC mold so I could see them moving him rather than paying him but BI is pretty untouchable right now.
18 Jul 2023 15:57:16
This could be the worst trade I have seen on here in a while.
Portland gives up Scoot and Simmons for Kawhi. but the Wolves are involved? Why? KAT has no trade value- about the same almost as a Porzingis maybe a little more.
Further, I imagine you mean the Wolves are sending Portland swap options: if they sell on KAT, I guess Edwards/ Gobert/ Scott may keep them competitive but not really. Why would the Wolves move picks entering a rebuild?
18 Jul 2023 15:47:37
I honestly think the Rockets lose this trade. How do they convince Mitchell to stay?
18 Jul 2023 15:46:30
Beal has negative value.
11 Jul 2023 15:59:47
I don't get it.
I love it for Boston. Morant and Tatum would be a dream together and giving up JB is worth it (Ja is crazy but would likely be more relaxed as the number 2)
Works for the Hawks because JB fits better with Murray and then will stay competitive for a while like the old Derozan/ Lowry Raptors.
Why would the Grizzlies do this? Ja is their star and Trae doesn't give them anything different or make them contenders. The late first doesn't mean anything. Memphis wants to win now and Young/ Bane/ JJJ doesn't get that done.
26 Jul 2023 15:56:17
France? Who else?