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22 Jul 2019 00:13:36
Cavs go for a top seed in the East...
First:

Cavs get Beal, Phillip
Wiz get Clarkson, Nance, Sexton, 2 2022 1sts (Cavs and Bucks)

Then:

Cavs get Paul, 2020 Chicago 2nd
Thunder get Thompson, Knight

The Wizards are going to need to consider moving Beal before he gets antsy. I don't think he'll want to stick around. They get an expiring deal, a young big under a reasonable contract, a high level point prospect, and two firsts. The Cavs aren't guaranteed to do well, so that pick could have value. The bucks pick will convey when Giannis could be potentially gone, so that one could have value.

The Thunder at this point would be thrilled to cut payroll and future money. Paul can still ball, but he doesn't fit this squad at all. Knight and Thompson could be flipped later for teams looking for expiring deals. They don't have to attach valuable assets either which is a big win.

The Cavs take a chance at becoming a possible contender. If they can make the first deal happen, I could see them rolling the dice on Paul to help lead them to the playoffs. With Garland in the fold, I don't see Sexton being as important moving forward. The rest of the guys in my mind are expendable. Their potential lineup:

Paul, Garland,
Beal, Delly, Porter
Osman, Windler, Phillip
Henson, FA
Love, Zizic

ChurchPugh

1.) 22 Jul 2019 07:27:54
why would the wizards do this? beal is a top shooting guard and they can get a lot more for him.


 

 

20 Jul 2019 21:15:34
Pacers get Gallinari
***Make way for Sabonis. He deserves to start. They add shooting and an expiring contract.

Celtics get Turner
***Celtics finally replace Horford. They lose a great defender on the wing and two young guys, but Turner's contract is fantastic. They also have the depth to step in.

Thunder get Smart, Robert Williams, Ojeleye
***Thunder get an Oklahoma state guy who could be flipped later. This cuts salary again by $6.5M. They also pick up two young bigs.

ChurchPugh

1.) 20 Jul 2019 23:24:07
Indy can get more thsn that for Turner.


2.) 21 Jul 2019 03:35:48
Big no from Pacers.


3.) 21 Jul 2019 09:36:02
comme on, Turner is a borderline all star.


4.) 21 Jul 2019 12:44:06
Boston is stealing Myles Turner in this proposed trade.


5.) 22 Jul 2019 15:53:24
Sounds like a smart sound move for the Pacers. Trade their rangy potential defensive player of the year candidate who is on a team friendly contract for an older and worse player on an expiring deal. Good move for a small market team!


 

 

20 Jul 2019 15:28:49
Okc gets Wall, future 1st, rights to Schofield

Washington gets Paul, 2020 Chicago 2nd

A Paul for Wall swap could benefit both sides. Thunder should indeed tank, and tank they shall with Wall on the shelf. If he comes back healthy, great. They can flip him next summer or before the 2021 trade deadline. If he stays hurt, fine. They can afford to wait. They can get their cap savings by buying out Dre. That's $10M in savings. Sign Schofield to a 3 year deal.

For Washington, cutting bait on Wall is a divorce that seems long overdue. A first and Schofield is worth it to get Paul who can still play and has one less year on his deal. They could be a playoff team... might even be able to lure Dre when he clears waivers to reunite with Brooks.

Shai, Schröder
Diallo, Nader, Burton
Ferguson, Schofield
Gallinari, Muscala, Patterson
Adams, Noel
(Bazley in G League)

That's a team that can tank but give meaningful minutes to young players.

ChurchPugh

1.) 20 Jul 2019 17:29:25
Buying someone out does not remove his salary from the salary cap. There is no $10 mil in saving off the cap.

Schofield sign his rookie deal on July 12th. So OKC will be adding his nearly $1 salary to their cap which is already over the luxury tax line. Not very smart.


 

 

19 Jul 2019 15:57:40
I'd like to see Okc grab a scorer to go with SGA in the backcourt. They have the assets for Beal, but why not go for Booker who's under contract for 5 years?

Is there a way to fill out a deal that looks like this?

Okc gets Booker

Washington gets Schröder, Ferguson, Diallo, picks

Phoenix gets Beal

Okc gets a nice fit next to SGA, Washington cashes in a bit on Beal instead of losing him for nothing, and Phoenix guns for a playoff spot with a nice young lineup (Rubio, Beal, Oubre, Saric, Ayton).

ChurchPugh

1.) 19 Jul 2019 16:36:53
Washington is getting screwed.


2.) 19 Jul 2019 17:28:56
Short on salary going from OKC to Washington. About $9 mil.

Unless OKC is using their $10 mil trade exception and going $14 mil over the luxury tax for a non-championship contending team. That would be a $30 mil luxury tax bill at the end of the year.

Washington will want the 2 Miami picks plus 2 other 1st. And OKC runs the risk of being competitive enough to loose their 2020 and 2024 picks.

Doesnt seem smart for OKC to do.


3.) 19 Jul 2019 19:38:20
Booker is younger and better than Beal. doesn't make since for phoenix to trade their franchise player.


4.) 19 Jul 2019 20:11:07
Idk about better.


5.) 19 Jul 2019 21:24:35
Not better. Beal 2 All-Stars, Booker 0 All-stars.


6.) 19 Jul 2019 23:22:29
Put Booker in the east and he's an all star the last 3 seasons. West was loaded with guards. Bookers #s were better than walkers, and Walker made nba first team.


7.) 19 Jul 2019 23:48:01
In all fairness, ones in the east, where it’s much easier to be an all star. But still, i'd take Beal slightly over Booker.


8.) 20 Jul 2019 01:12:46
We’ve seen Beal perform on good teams and in the playoffs, he’s a more efficient player, he’d have more allstar appearances if he would have been healthier his first couple years, and he’s a significantly better defender.

Booker is an allstar caliber player and would clearly be an asset to any good team, but it’s hard to tell really how good he is until he gets on a good team. Plus there would be a big learning curve for him in his first year with a good team.

I feel like Beal is the safer of the two and imo the player you’d want if your team is ready to win now. That said, Booker could be a top 10 player in this league in a few years. He’s good and could just continue to get better.


9.) 20 Jul 2019 04:37:42
I’d be comfortable with Beal as 2nd option on a championship team not so much Booker. Just my view.


10.) 20 Jul 2019 12:53:55
Rkenne how is beal more efficient? Booker has a better fg% beal has a slightly better 3% and Booker has a better ft%. Plus Bookers #s are better and he's 3 years younger. Bookers also locked up long term while beal is due for a new contract. To me it's not even close value wise. Bookers biggest knock is he's been on bad team, but anyone who's played any sport know that it's harder to put up #s with no other talent around because you end up double and triple teamed. The fact that he's still more efficient then most should show just how good he will be.


11.) 20 Jul 2019 13:37:33
That 4.1 versus 2.7 turnover rate does not help Booker's efficiency. As for shooting last season, Beal's eFG% is .540 while Booker's is .521. Lastly, Beal has played 82 games the last 2 seasons while Booker has played 54 and 64 games. And I will only say that the defense numbers between these 2 are not even close. IMO, Beal is a tier above Booker.


 

 

18 Jul 2019 15:53:41
If Thunder wait til December/January, what about something like this:

Okc gets Rozier, Wiggins, Minnesota 2020 1st

Minnesota gets Batum, Chicago 2020 2nd via OKc

Charlotte gets Paul, Roberson

ChurchPugh

1.) 18 Jul 2019 16:00:02
Pay Paul $120+ for 3 years or Batum $52 mil for 2 years? I think Charlotte stays with Batum.

Trying to figure out how OKC gets probably the best (young) player AND the best draft pick. Must be a "homer"


2.) 18 Jul 2019 16:08:13
Hornets better hold on to younger Rozier because even with Paul, they are goingnowhere.


 

 

 

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23 Jul 2019 23:31:55
This is thinking a little too far ahead, but AD has done two things to make him a flight risk next summer:

1. Not commit to more time in LA verbally or contractually.
2. Mention how he'd love to play in Chicago.

Chicago would be elated to land a guy of that caliber, but where is the. So space to land him? They'll have little to none. They'd have to chase expiring deals in trades in order to pull off a max slot. Here are some teams I think would be willing to play ball in trades with expiring contracts significant enough:

1. Okc (Gallinari at $22M, Roberson at $10M, Patterson at $5M)
2. Charlotte (Biyombo at $17M, Williams at $15M, MKG at $13M)
3. Atlanta (Parsons at $25M, Turner and Crabbe at $18M each)
4. Toronto (Lowry at $34M, Gasol at $25M, Ibaka at $23M)

There may be others, but I see these as the most likely (in that order) who could give them the cap space they will crave if they think they can legitimately land Davis next summer.

Sorry that was long winded, but with that in mind what kind of deals could you see to land significant cap space next summer for the Windy City?

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12 Jul 2019 03:21:05
It happened.

Paul and picks for Russ

So now, do these two teams stand pat or what moves are coming? Rockets need to trim the roster (I think)... but they look good.

Thunder could/should flip CP3, if they can find a suitor. But who wants that contract??

Any predictions on what happens next for these two squads??

ChurchPugh

1.) 12 Jul 2019 16:47:06
Thunder should keep CP3, other teams would want a pick for his contract. The Thunder have time, Paul hasn't. So CP3 would ask for a buyout himself.


2.) 12 Jul 2019 17:11:22
I think there's a really good chance that Houston absolutely falls on their face. Either be a decent regular season team and get destroyed in the playoffs, or just fail in the regular season and get a 7-10 seed in the west.

OKC is in fire sale mode. They have to hope that the Lakers or Heat take Paul for expiring deals. Then hope Roberson comes back healthy and they can offload him at the trade deadline for assets. Move Gallo at some point for longer deals+assets or expiring deals+lesser assets. Same with Adams.


3.) 15 Jul 2019 17:54:38
I think they work fine like Paul and harden did. Maybe not excellent every night but they will be fun to watch. There going to have russ do the same Paul did but drive instead of shoot. It's worth the risk for Houston.


 

 

12 Jun 2019 21:16:08
If Okc were to hit the reset button and deal Russ and PG, what's the best return they could get?

I was thinking Russ to the Bulls with Okc gaining Markkanen and a pick kind of deal, and George to the Hawks for Crabbe, Bazemore, and picks 8 and 10 kind of deal.

Thoughts? Gives Okc a good place to start a rebuild, gives the Bulls a superstar and an identity, and gives the Hawks a guy who could help open their championship window for the foreseeable future.

ChurchPugh

1.) 12 Jun 2019 23:52:02
Mine as well trade Adams too.


2.) 13 Jun 2019 00:18:09
Not Markannen.


3.) 13 Jun 2019 00:19:22
Russ to Lakers for 4th. Pg to utah.


4.) 13 Jun 2019 01:43:00
PG to Lakers for 4th and Ingram. Westbrook to Heat.


 

 

03 Nov 2018 20:46:31
Is there a way that okc adds griffin to their core of Russ, PG, and Adams by sending Schroder to a pg needy team like the suns and picks to the Pistons?

ChurchPugh

1.) 03 Nov 2018 21:08:22
With the casey hiring and the seeming interest in making the playoffs in DET, I'd have to say you couldn't get Griffin without talent and picks.


2.) 03 Nov 2018 21:17:23
Not the way griffin is playing. He’s been great. They’d want some real assets, not just a late first or two with a bad contract.


3.) 04 Nov 2018 14:30:45
I’m not sure Griffin is a good fit next to Westbrook. He likes the ball in his hands, he’s not much of a shooter, and he clogs the lane up. A potential starting line up that has Westbrook, Roberson, Griffin, and Adams is an offensive disaster in today’s NBA.


4.) 04 Nov 2018 17:34:46
Griffin shoots from all over the court and at a decent clip for a big man. Not sure why you say he only shoots from in the paint. He shot over 300 threes last year and currently shooting like 45% from deep. He doesn’t need the ball in his hands. He’s one of the best passing bigs in the league.

What are you basing that evaluation on?


5.) 05 Nov 2018 02:37:06
I suppose he’s a little better shooter than I was thinking, but he’s a career 33 percent shooter. It’s solid if you have other shooters, but he can’t be the 2nd best shooter in your starting lineup. Also, for him to make those passes he needs the ball. Having the ball in your hands doesn’t just mean that you are shooting. His usage rate is currently right between Lebron and Curry’s. Last year he was right inbetween DerozN and Wall. He’s at his best when the iffense runs through him and he can create for himself and others. Taking the ball out of his hands diminishes how effective he can be. He isn’t a spot up shooter. Plus, if you put him in the pick and role with Russ for large chunks of the game everyone, but the guy guarding George can basically collapse on them because Roberson and Adams can’t shoot. So in the starting lineup you’re basically going to use him as a spot up shooter? He’s also a below average defender. Why trade multiple picks/ players to pay a guy 35 Million that doesn’t fit in with your already expensive and thin team?


6.) 05 Nov 2018 18:12:34
Right. Point being, he actually has the ability to spread the offense, not condense it. That 33% is misleading, as it was when he was taking 1 or 2 3s a game. its likely more around 36ish, which is league average and great for a big man.

As to the usage rate, that really isn't a good statistic to look at in a vacuum. The team has no real pg. He scores a lot and passes very well. he's going to have the ball often. That statistic merely shows he is heavily involved. AKA, passing a lot and scoring efficiently.


7.) 05 Nov 2018 19:47:29
He was 31st last year among qualifying pfs in 3 point shooting percentage. He’s not putting great in anyone from 3 point range. He’s not worth the money or assets for the Thunder unless the rest of the roster is heavily overhauled.


8.) 05 Nov 2018 23:11:06
No one said he was elite at 3. You specifically said he has no range. Which you then admitted was incorrect to say. A pf that is averaging 25/ 11/ 5. You don’t think that’s of value?

The premise was they keep the core. So what, he isn’t a major major upgrade over grant?

Just stop it. Griffin is a top 30 player in the league and one could contend so far top 15. That team would be solid. Simply need to add a shooter or two, which there always available ones.


9.) 06 Nov 2018 16:54:14
I just don’t see Griffin as the missing link to make OKC a legitimate top 3 or 4 team in the league or make them a threat to upset the Warriors. If you’re going to give up the last few assets you have and lock in those kind of luxury payments that’s what he needs to be. He doesn’t complement the rest of the roster and he would be hard to maximize. I’m not arguing that adding Blake Griffin would make their team worse. If they could add him without giving players up for the minimum then sure great addition, but to get rid of a couple rotation players and more future picks doesn’t make sense. Using those some of those assets and money to go get guys like Ariza, Bazemore, and/ or Korver would make more sense, be cheaper, and imo make a bigger impact.


 

 

16 Jun 2017 02:17:35
OKC needs a shot blocker, stretch 4, versatility, size on the wing, etc...

If they get lucky, they find a team to take Kanter without getting much else back. Stretch Singler. Renounce Roberson.

Two guys who make a lot of sense on the current roster (don't laugh): Serge Ibaka and Jeff Green.

Sure, Ibaka wanted out and wanted a bigger role. Well. He can have it now, AND go back to the team that drafted/developed him.

Next you have Green. He showed promise for the Thunder but was never a four despite being stuck there for OKC. He can come back and slide into a more natural position at the 3. He'll be way less expensive after disappearing a bit in Orlando but still has some talent.

Resign Taj and convince him being the big off the bench in Kanter's role is the right move for him. Cut Christon and Cole and hope you get a solid point in FA and draft one at 21.

Russ-FA-Rookie
Oladipo-Abrines
Green-Grant
Ibaka-Sabonis
Adams-Gibson

Thoughts?

ChurchPugh

1.) 17 Jun 2017 06:24:49
Not bad but I don't think OKC has cap for this and where's McDermott?


 

 

 

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18 Jul 2019 14:57:21
Swap the 1st for the 2020 Chicago 2nd, and OKC says yes. Duck the luxury, plus I like Crowder more than Dre at this point. Nice fit in okc.

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17 Jul 2019 19:38:30
Very interesting idea. But I have a hard time seeing PKc moving SGA. I bet they hang on to him. However, I could see them targeting DLo and giving the Warriors depth and picks in December.

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16 Jul 2019 00:32:23
Fredman, dual point guard lineup. Paul at the 1 and Rozier at the 2. They could stagger minutes and share the backcourt.

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15 Jul 2019 13:24:45
Only way that happens is if Okc gets 3 1st round picks unprotected or something crazy like that.

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14 Jul 2019 16:33:40
Okc turns a disgruntled Russ who’d be crippling to the cap in a few years into Hayward, three 1sts, 2 swaps. Wow!

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