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19 Apr 2018 21:41:22
Hawks - Knicks

Hawks gets:
9th pick
37th pick

Knicks gets:
19th pick
30th pick
33rd pick
2019 1st rd pick (Cavs)
2020 2nd rd pick (Trail Blazers)

19 Apr 2018 22:19:31
Knicks pass.

19 Apr 2018 23:26:33
Pretty terrible for the Knicks. The Cavs pick is top 10 protected the next two years and if it doesn't convey in 2020 it's 2 2nd round picks. So If Lebron stays, it's a pick on the 20s and if he leaves, it's likely 2 2nds.

19 Apr 2018 10:16:32
Boston: Leonard+Adebayo+Olynyk

Miami: Hayward

Spurs:Tatum+ Waiters

19 Apr 2018 13:09:23
Tatum's a good start, but Spurs are going to want more than him and an overpaid Waiters in return.

19 Apr 2018 14:43:07
I don't see why Miami would be needed here. The Celtics really don't have much of a need for Olynyk and I don't see Bam as the center that Boston wants for the future. I don't think Waiters has much value.

I also don't think that Miami would be very interested in moving Bam. It looks like Whiteside's days in Miami might be coming to an end. He doesn't seem to want to be there and Miami doesn't seem to want him.

The Spurs would want more than just Tatum.

18 Apr 2018 17:21:27
Miami: G Hayward

Boston; Adebayo+Waiters+Olynyk

boston:
C:Adebayo/Baynes/Olynyk
PF:Horford/Morris
Sf:Tatum/ J Brown
SG: Smart/Waiters
PG:Irving/Rozier

Boston get a defensive centre, they can resign and keep Smart.

Miami
C:Whiteside
PF:Johnson
SF:Winslow/
SG:Hayward
PG:Dragic
Sixth: D Wade/ J Richardson

18 Apr 2018 19:30:32
boston is not trading hayward. that is brad stevens son and he only got to coach him for 3 minutes so far.

18 Apr 2018 19:40:11
That trade is just not even close talent wise. Gordon Hayward is a top 20-25 guy in the league, while the other 3 are rotation players. And you must not have seen a single Celtics game if you think Marcus Smart would start over Jaylen Brown.

18 Apr 2018 20:05:45
Maybe if Ainge started doing hard drugs, but it's hard to see that happening.

19 Apr 2018 10:10:59
Comme on, Boston should trade a wing or let Smart go.
I would keep Brown and Tatum and i believe they can sign Smart on a reasonable contract. So they best trade Hayward.

Boston needs a defensive center so Adebayo is a perfect fit for that team. Horford can play PF, shoot threes an pass the ball. And Adebayo can do the dirty work.
Olynyk already knows the house and Waiters already played with Irving. And both players are on reasonable contracts, so they can trade them after this year for other assets.

19 Apr 2018 15:10:28
Why, do the Celtics need a defensive C? That type of player doesn't work for their system. They are never g oing to make a blockbuster trade to get one. If they happen to draft one, or sign a FA for the back end of the roster, fine.

19 Apr 2018 15:18:33
I've never been a huge fan of Heyward and think he's somewhat overrated, but I don't see this being a good trade for the Celtics. Bam's a nice player, but I think they can get a better young center and they already have a ton of depth and will struggle to find enough roster spots for their picks. They need to be packaging assets to get better players rather than the other way around.

18 Apr 2018 04:55:11
Noah comeback season starts with a little faith by management. Than loosing 15 lbs to start at center. It seems like long shot from happening but with Porzingis out until 2019 and Kanter considering opting out, no other option. Hopefully ny native Bamba falls to 9th or or knicks get higher pick to land him. Eventually playing Noah will restore some value to trade him at trading deadline

Hardaway Mudiay for Mathews Barea
Lee Thomas for Bayless Korkmaz Anderson Cabarrot

DEADLINE TRADE
Pacers get Felicio
Bulls get Noah Kornet
Knicks get Asik Jefferson

By end of the season
Ntilikina/Burke/Barea
Cabarrot/Korkmaz/Bayless
Dotson/Anderson/Mathews
Porzingis/Wagner-43/Jefferson
Bamba-9th/Metu-37/Asik

2019 summer
Trade Korkmaz for 2 late 2nd
Buy 2nd
Harris get 4yr 100 mil
Walker get 4yr 100 mil
Thompson get 4yr 120 mil
Now Porzingis sign extension 5yr 200mil

Walker/Ntilikina/Ponds-2nd
Thompson/Cabarrot/Mathews-2nd
Williamson-1st/Dotson/Simanic-2nd
Harris/Wagner/Metu
Porzingis/Bamba/Jeter-2nd

18 Apr 2018 14:15:35
How is that Knicks team any better than it is now? Dotson starting at the 3? TLC at the 2?

Also, it ain't going to happen for Noah. The 15 pounds are not the issue, it's that he's past his prime.

18 Apr 2018 15:33:28
Noah is never going to be a starting player in the league again. He just doesn't have it in him physically. What he can do, is become a solid low minute bench player who comes in and wreaks havoc for a few minutes a game. He's going to be insanely overpaid for that role, but he could be a good player for a team that's rebuilding with cheap contracts. What I envision for him is a PJ Brown type of role for the 2008 Celtics. the trouble will be finding a team that's the caliber of that Celtics team with enough space to absorb the contract.

17 Apr 2018 22:17:30
Noah comeback season starts with a little faith by management. Than loosing 15 lbs to start at center. It seems like long shot from happening but with Porzingis out until 2019 and Kanter considering opting out, no other option. Hopefully ny native Bamba falls to 9th or or knicks get higher pick.

Knicks sign T.Young 1 yr 15mil

Hardaway Mudiay for Mathews Barea
Lee Thomas for Bayless Korkmaz Anderson Cabarrot


Ntilikina/Burke
Cabarrott/Korkmaz
Mathews/Anderson
Young/Wagner-37/Porzingis-IR
Noah/Bamba/Bitadze-47

18 Apr 2018 01:49:10
Lose 15lbs? Do you watch basketball?

He’s a smalll center as is. He’s 6’11 230lb. You want him down to 215lb?

Awesome. Well thought out.

18 Apr 2018 13:44:21
Joakim Noah gets shreaded and does not get push around. i'm sure he weighs more than 230 listed. 225 lbs for body frame is solid weight to make one push to restore his career.

17 Apr 2018 21:24:15
Took some time working on possible trades for the hawks tell me if you think their possible or realistic.

Trades involving Plumlee

1)Knicks receive Miles Plumlee
Hawks receive Joakim Noak, Pick 37 2018 draft, and possibly a future 2nd

Pros Knicks receive a center who is willing to play and 6 Mill in cap and about 7 mill the following year
Pros Hawks receive draft picks as well as a defensive minded center who could be a mentor for John Collins

2)Magic receive Miles Plumlee
Hawks receive Bismack Biyombo and pick 41 in 2018 draft.

Pros magic receive 4.5 mill in cap for the next 3 years which could be useful in Aaron Gordons free agency or for another free agent
Pros Hawks receive draft pick and 25 year old who is a little bit more in line with their time line

3) Wizards receive Miles Plumlee
Hawks receive Mahinmi and pick 44 in 2018 draft

Pros Wizards receive around 4.2 mill in cap this year which they could really use what with other bad contracts as well as a younger center
Pros Hawks receive draft pick

4)Rockets receive Miles Plumlee
Hawks receive Ryan Anderson and pick 46 and possibly a future 2nd or 1st

Pros Rockets receive 7.1 mill this year and around 8 and 9 mill for the next two years respectively and for a LBJ pursuit this could be valuable
Pros Hawks receive draft picks as well as a possible shooting mentor for John Collins

5)Lakers receive Miles Plumlee
Hawks recieve Loul Deng pick 47 and future 2nd

Pros Lakers gain 4.7 in cap this year and around 5 mill in the next two years and with a club going after cap its a win
Pros Hawks gain draft picks and mentor

6)Memphis Receive Miles Plumlee
Hawks receive Chandler Parsons Ivan Rabb and pick 32

Pros Memphis gains 11.5 mill in cap which could help sign a decent free agent
Pros Hawks get a pick and a young player

7) Pelicans receive Miles Plumlee
Hawks receive Solomon Hill and ether Etwaun Moore or Alexis Ajinca and pick 51 and possibly a future heavy protected first

Pros Pels receive between 4.5 and 8.2 in cap depending on which second player is put in giving them much needed cap space for boogie or another free agent
Pros Hawks receive draft picks

8) Suns receive Miles Plumlee
Hawks receive Brandon Knight and Jared Dudley with pick 16 or pick 51 and a future 1st round pick

Pros suns receive 11 mill in cap and get rid of an older player out of their time line
Pros hawks receive draft picks a okay pg who if schroder gets traded could replace as the starter and a menter in dudley for Prince

9) Nets receive Miles Plumlee
Hawks receive Timofey Mozgov and pick 45

Pros Nets receive a younger center and gain 2.8 in cap this year and around 3-3.8 mill the next two years
Pros Hawks gain draft pick.

17 Apr 2018 22:13:48
I Like the magic trade.

17 Apr 2018 22:28:48
I don't agree with a few of the scenarios but i definitely respect the depth of thought involved

In the scenario with the Pels it just would not work out when Boogie re-signs. It would leave Darius Miller as your only true SF and would not give them the cap room to sign a decent SF in FA. Pels have to continue growth or risk losing AD

Of all the scenarios i see Houston as most likely maybe Memphis second most.

17 Apr 2018 22:54:08
Maybe Minnesota for Dieng?

18 Apr 2018 00:22:09
10) Minnesota receives Miles Plumlee
Hawks receive Grogui Deng and Pick 48 and future second due to his contract being one year longer than plumlees

Pros Wolves gain 2-5 mill over the next four years
Pros Hawks gain draft picks.

17 Apr 2018 21:19:06
Took some time working on possible trades for the hawks tell me if you think their possible or realistic.

1)Knicks receive Miles Plumlee
Hawks receive Joakim Noah and pick 37 in 2018 nba draft

Pros knicks receive about 5.3 in cap this year and around 6-7 mill for the following two years as well as a center who is willing to play
Pros Hawks receive draft pick and a defensive minded center who could be a mentor for John Collins who needs help on the defensive side

17 Apr 2018 21:28:44
Im not sure ATL would bite so early. This could be a potential deal at trading deadline. Idiot ny management must learn to change their mentality about how to treat players they don't want. Start playing them more to increase their trade value. With Porzingis likely out until next January and kanter considering opting out. Noah should see more playing time. So this trade could happen in 2019. But not before that.

17 Apr 2018 02:25:55
MIA/PHX/ATL

MIA get Tyson Chandler & TJ Warren
- Chandler will serve as Adebayo's mentor and they get a young talented wing in Warren

Pg Dragic/Johnson
Sg Richardson/Wade/Waiters
Sf Warren/Babbitt
Pf Johnson/Olynyk
Ce Adebayo/Chandler

PHX get Hassan Whiteside, Dennis Shroeder & 4th pick
- get their CE & PG to move 3 spots in a deep draft
- draft Marvin Bagley or Justin Jackson

Pg Shroeder/Ulis
Sg Booker/Daniels
Sf Jackson/Dudley
Pf Bagley/Chriss
Ce Whiteside/Bender/Len

ATL get 1st pick & Brandon Knight
- draft Ayton

17 Apr 2018 05:00:02
I don't think the heat give up Whiteside for Warren and Chandler. Also Atlanta doesn't get #1 Just for throwing in Schroeder. Knight contract I expiring so pic is better of either packaging it for a star or keeping him.

17 Apr 2018 06:55:41
USA, You said it yourself that this was a deep draft. So why would the hawks trade away their best player (a 24 year old locked down on a very friendly $15.5 mil contract for the next 3 years) and absorb Knights awful contract (in terms of player value) for the next two years if they can get a solid prospect with the 4th pick? Suns need to be giving up more.

17 Apr 2018 07:32:46
how about i add Ulis to Hawks?

17 Apr 2018 19:10:13
@jdp knight’s contract is thru 19-20.

16 Apr 2018 21:12:45
Cavs off-season if Lebron leaves

Trade

The Cavs get Anderson, Noah, Ferguson, Burk, the 9th pick via NY, 2 future Houston 1sts and 2 2nds from the Thunder

The Knicks get Hill, Gordon, and Singler

The Thunder get Courtney Lee

Houston gets Lebron and Patterson

2nd trade

The Cavs get Brooks, Parsons, the 2nd overall pick, the 12th overall pick and the 2021 Memphis pick lottery protected

The Clippers get the 8th pick and Clarkson

The Grizzlies get Love, Lou Williams, and the 13 overall pick

3rd trade

Lakers get Smith (buyout, and Korver(buyout)

The Cavs get Deng and the Lakers 2020 1st lottery protected

4th trade

The Cavs get Dieng, Tyus Jones, and a 2nd

The Timberwolves get Ryan Anderson

Draft Doncic, Young and Knox

Let Hood walk

Pg Young/Jones/Burks
Sg Doncic/ Ferguson
SF Osman/Brooks/Deng
PF Knox/Dieng/Parsons
C Nance/Zizic/Noah

The roster would be at around 106 million, so it would be below the luxury tax and Deng, Parsons, and Noah can all be bought out after. Next season.

The Cavs would have 4 extra future 1sts

17 Apr 2018 00:49:22
Why let Hood walk? Just curious.

17 Apr 2018 21:17:17
I just don't see the Cavs being willing to pay luxury tax to keep him, if they're rebuilding.

16 Apr 2018 06:13:29
Spurs/ Sixers:

To PHI - Leonard

To SAS - Covington, Saric, 2018 LAL 1st, 2018 PHI 1st, 2018 Knicks 2nd, 2020 PHI 1st

Should the Sixers not feel like they can land LBJ, going after Kawhi would make sense for them. KL, Joel, Simmons and Fultz could terrorize the L for years.

Spurs land a underrated Covington who is on a very reasonable contract (AAV of $11M for 4 more seasons), there starting PF for the future, and a cache of picks. I know some people have suggested Fultz be a target, but I think Covington is the way to go. Also, I do believe the Spurs already have their PG of the future in Dejonte, who does not have Fultz upside, but I would rather him and Covington vs. him and Fultz, and then trying to fill the SF hole without cap space. With three firsts this year, there is an opportunity to get two quality players and stash a good prospect with the Philly pick.

16 Apr 2018 06:40:15
I like this for both teams as long as KL agrees to sign after the season.

16 Apr 2018 14:55:58
That's the key, Wiz. If he re-signs. That is why S. A. may have trouble getting full worth for Leonard. If he doesn't want to sign an extension, teams are nor giving up top dollar for him.

16 Apr 2018 19:20:10
Covington saric and 1 decent first? I think since leonard only has 1 year and is coming off a injury. This might be the best they can get. the other 1st are garbage if Leonard end up playing and sticking around with the sixers.

17 Apr 2018 14:53:02
I like your post triangle o

If your post done this off-season

Spurs moves supposed to be like this

Draft Kevin Knox ( 2018 76ers pick via Lakers)
Draft Zhaire Smith ( 2018 Spurs own pick)
Draft Keita Bates Diop ( Knicks 2nd pk )

Resign Parker 2 yr/ min vet
Resign Anderson 3 yr/ $$$
Resign bertans 2 yr / $$$

Spurs depth
Pg Murray, Mills, Parker, white
Sg green, ginobili, smith
Sf anderson, Knox, diop
Pf aldrigde, saric, gay
C Gasol, Bertans, lauvernge.

15 Apr 2018 15:32:28
Draft night trade

Knicks - Spurs

Knicks gets:
Leonard

Spurs gets:
Mudiay
Lee
9th pick (Knicks)
2019 1st rd pick (Top 3 protected)
2021 1st rd pick (Top 10 protected)

Knicks go all-in on Kawhi and create a defensive monster lineup with Ntilinka, Leonard and Porzingis for years to come.

Spurs gets 3 1st rd picks for an expiring contract and can either move the picks for other assets or keep them for the future.


Knicks can trade the 2019 1st rd pick when the selection of the player in the 2018 NBA draft is made.

15 Apr 2018 18:54:42
Yeah, the Spurs want a garbage PG, a solid role player and three picks, the worst of which will most likely be #9 this year. The picks are fine, those two players along with them gets you nowhere close to getting KL.

15 Apr 2018 19:54:20
triangle o leonard is on an expiring contract, plus no one knows when he's going to return. I'll admit when healthy he's a top 5 player, but his value is as low as it's ever been right now. This is prob. The max I'd give up unless he agreed to a long term deal.

16 Apr 2018 02:48:14
The return package is not enough. Maybe replace Mudiay with Trey Burke and throw in 1 of 2 2018 seconds as well. That would leave the Knicks with a great defensive lineup and the option to still resign Beasley provide offense off the bench.

15 Apr 2018 13:11:29
Trade:
76ers trade Fultz, TLC, Korkmaz, 10th pick 2018 (Lakers), 1st round pick 2019 (Kings), 38th pick 2018 (Nets)
Spurs trade Leonard

It's like 4x 1st rounder (Fultz + Lakers pick 2018 + Kings pick 2019 + 2x young talents including the 38th pick 2018)


76ers:
Simmons/McConnell
Redick/Belinelli/Anderson
Leonard/Covington
Saric/Ilyasova
Embiid/Holmes/A.Johnson
- resign: Redick, Belinelli, Ilyasova, A.Johnson
- still own 3 x 2nd round pick 2018 (Rockets', Knicks' and own)

Spurs:
Murray/Mills/White
Fultz/Korkmaz
Anderson/TLC
LA/Bertans
Gasol/
+ add 10th, 18th, 38th and 49th pick
- let Parker, Lauvergne, Forbes walk. Manu retires due to rebuild, so Gay and Green will not pick up their player's option, let them also walk
- resign Anderson, Bertans
- Spurs and coach Pop are the best in develop european talents like TLC and Korkmaz
+ main reason: Fultz and Lakers' (2018) and Kings' pick (2019)

15 Apr 2018 13:51:36
Sixers don't have the kings 2019 pick, it was traded to Boston.

15 Apr 2018 18:56:29
They either get the Lakers pick OR the Kings pick, not both.

Korkmaz out, Saric in and you may get closer but still not have it happen.

15 Apr 2018 05:09:44
Knicks offseason

Knicks get Howard Batum Zeller
Hornets get Kanter Hardaway Noah

Knicks get Leonard
Spurs get Porzingis Lee

O'Quinn opts in signs ext. Beasley get MLE

Ntilikina/Burke/Mudiay
Batum/Dotson/Baker
Leonard/Beasley/T.Williams
O'Quinn/Zellers/Metu-37
Howard/Bamba-9th/Blitadze-39

14 Apr 2018 22:59:16
Hawks - Knicks

Hawks gets:
9th pick (Knicks)
2020 2nd rd pick (Hornets)
Noah

Knicks gets:
19th (Timberwolves)
30th (Rockets)
2019 1st rd pick (Cavs)

Hawks gets another lottery pick and take on Noah's final two year salary.

Knicks move back in the draft, get another first this year and get more cap space this summer.

15 Apr 2018 01:10:14
Take the future 1st out and swap the 30th for a 2nd and it's not bad.

15 Apr 2018 01:48:40
Hawks giving up too much value to take back Noahs guaranteed $38 million. Not even close.

15 Apr 2018 04:11:19
Y would knicks do this unless the swap noah for their center.

14 Apr 2018 13:22:48
kawhi leonard trade offer

suns receives: kawhi leonard, patty mills

spurs receives: Josh Jackson, Dragan Bender, Tyler Ulis #15 and #17 pick (via miami and via bucks)

or

timberwolves receives: kawhi leonard, patty mills

spurs receives: tyus jones, justin patton, andrew wiggins and #23 (via thunder)

or

knicks receive: kawhi leonard

spurs receives: courtney lee, lance thomas, frank ntilikina #9 #37 (from knicks) and knicks 2019 1st rd pk lottery protected

what team leonard landed if not to celtics lakers and 76ers what to knicks, wolves and suns

14 Apr 2018 15:17:28
knicks trade can't happen. if the knicks trade the #9 pick this year, they can't trade their #1 next year, lottery protected or not. can't be without a #1 pick in consecutive years according to the rules.

14 Apr 2018 16:07:15
The 1st one is decent if the Suns want to roll the dice on an expiring Kawhi.

The 2nd isn't enough for the Spurs. I don't see the Spurs valuing Wiggins. Especially, now that he's going to be making north of 25 million. The pick and Jones are decent assets, but not enough to get Kawhi

I don't think the third is enough either. I think they would want more than 2 good assets, a future late pick and some savings.

It's funny that on a Kawhi trade I made yesterday giving up 2 Lottery picks, 3 propsects that are only like half a step down from Ntilikina, more savings for the Spurs plus 2 future 1sts, a high 2nd and 2 potetial pick swaps, you said that wasn't enough for Leonard, but then you offer up these trades. The only trade that you could even argue gives more is the Phoenix trade and that's only if you're really high on Jackson.

14 Apr 2018 16:31:42
The pick belongs to the Bucks because it fell into the protection slot for the Bucks.

14 Apr 2018 16:45:24
PHX doesn't have the Bucks pick. It was protected, and stays with the Bucks this season.

14 Apr 2018 19:38:43
What team does Kawhi want to go to because he is just a rental otherwise can’t see him staying in Phoenix.

14 Apr 2018 20:29:50
Chriss, ulis, Miami first, + either bucks future first, or Miami future first.

14 Apr 2018 05:56:15
Knicks offseason

Trade noah,nilikina,lee and 18 1st to clippers for harris and Jordan

Let kanter walk

Sign rondo 2yr 16 mill

Rondo/burks
Hardaway/Dotson
Harris/thomas
Porzingis/beasley
Jordan/o quinn

14 Apr 2018 13:19:28
Kanter will not "walk". The only reason he is talking about possibly opting out is if the Knicks agree to a long term extension with him. He loves NY. He will either sign his $16million PLAYER option with the Knicks or opt to sign out in order to sign long term with the knicks. Please get this idea of "Let Kanter walk" out of your head. It isn't happening.

14 Apr 2018 16:26:50
It's almost 19mil. All the more reason Kanter will exercise his option. It's his last big pay day. End up in a deadline trade maybe.

14 Apr 2018 16:43:38
Kanter is owed 19 million for his option. Not turning that down.

14 Apr 2018 18:36:25
His last big pay day? Seriously what are you saying? He’s 25.

15 Apr 2018 21:52:06
jorgawood Kanter is expected to decline his option. His agent has even approached the media and said so. Hamburger is right. he is just entering his prime and became an elite double double guy on the Knicks. that will get him 18 million+ now due to the revenue increase.

13 Apr 2018 18:41:32
NYK - CHA

NYK get: Kemba Walker and Dwight Howard

pg. Walker/ Burke
sg. THJ/ Mudiay
sf. Beasley/ Williams
pf. Porzingis/ Thomas
c. Howard/ OQuinn

CHA get: Frank Ntilinka, Joakim Noah (waive), Courtney Lee (waive), and 2018 1st DP NYK

Draft:
(9th) : Mikal Bridges (sg/ sf)
(11th) : Miles Bridges (sf/ pf)

pg. Ntilinka/ MCW
sg. Monk/ Lamb
sf. Batum/ Bridges
pf. MKG/ Bridges/ Williams
c. Kaminsky/ Hernangomez

13 Apr 2018 18:53:37
This is an easy no go for CHA. If this is the Jerry Buss Kupchak, this isn't close to enough for losing assets and gaining massive salary issues. Howard expires, and had a good enough season to garner some value, and Walker has value beyond the pick. I am not sure what I value Ntilikina at. I read a European journalist describe him as a raw version of Rondo. If Rondo's his ceiling, then I put his value as a late 1st, or early second round pick as of now. Certainly not negative value, but not a lot either.

13 Apr 2018 19:12:19
You can't just waive Noah, he has the next 2 years guaranteed.

13 Apr 2018 21:29:26
You can't trade for a player and use the Stretch provision, but you can just wave him and keep the full amount of his salaries/ years on the books.

This is a no from the Hornets. I actually think that this is more likely if you take out Howard and Noah.

13 Apr 2018 21:58:10
Wait really. Peak rondo is valued at a early 2nd rounder? 4 time all star. 4 time all defensive. Led a championship team. Interesting valuation there.

13 Apr 2018 22:01:44
Agree triangle, Ntilikina and a lottery pick is a solid offer for Kemba.

14 Apr 2018 13:03:32
Ntilikina is nowhere near peak Rondo.

14 Apr 2018 13:58:30
You just said if his value is rondo he has little value. You would place it at a late 1st early second. So yes. You said exactly that. You assumed if he meets his ceiling, of peak rondo, that’s his value. Perhaps you should read your posts before blasting everyone else’s.

14 Apr 2018 16:41:39
Nope. Said he could one day be a Rondo is what a Euro Journalist claimed. He is obviously nowhere near Rondo, as rookie, or in his peak. As of now I rate his demonstrated ability, and value as a late 1st or early 2nd. If you got something else out of it. What can I say.

15 Apr 2018 03:46:48
You said. If rondo is his ceiling. That’s his value. Ergo. Rondo is valued at that because clearly you value rookies at their potential. In this case you said rondo. Are you not able to read what you wrote?

That’s upsetting.

13 Apr 2018 09:42:41
Jay Wright plan

Suns get Ntilikina Hardaway
Orlando get Knight
Knicks get Ross Dudley 17 31

Brunson-31st/Burke/Mudiay
Lee/Ross/Dotson
Bridges-9th/Dudley/T.Williams
Spellman-17th/Wagner-37th/Thomas
Porzingis/Noah/Blitadze-42nd

13 Apr 2018 16:18:19
The Knicks aren't trading Frank for 2 late picks and 2 bad contracts. Hardaway is still a good scorer in the NBA as well although he is overpaid. Also the Knicks aren't going to play Porzingis at center. He isn't an elite rebounder yet and is still underweight. After I thought nothing more could be wrong with this scenario, you put Jalen Brunson starting over Trey Burke. Trey Burke has been a beast for the Knicks, pretty much one of their very few bright spots last season. There's no way that a second round rookie is starting over him regardless he won the wooden award. I guess it's cool that Jay Wright will have Brunson and Bridges assuming "Bridges" is Mikal Bridges not Miles Bridges. This trade would make more sense if you fixed the starting lineups and added in the Suns other late pick which I believe is 15 or 16.

13 Apr 2018 18:24:19
Jello how is Dudley a bad contract? He's got 1 year at 10 million. PhD doesn't have the 17th pick. It has to fall between 11-16.

12 Apr 2018 19:45:37
The Cavs gets Whiteside, Richardson, Olynyk, Danny Green, and Dejounte Murray

The Spurs get Dragic, Barnes and Osman

The Heat get Gasol(buyout), Korver(buyout), JrSmith (Buyout), Clarkson, Nance, 18 Brooklyn 1st, and the Spurs 2020
plus 29 in savings this season and almost 60 the season after.

The Mavs get Thompson, Mills, Zizic, the Spurs 18 1st, the Cavs 2021and a 2nd from each team


The Spurs add two borderline allstars, get a legitimate starting pg, and end up with Osman, who can replace Green. They build a team that would be really dangerous, if they can bring back a healthy Kawhi and the only thing of value they give up is 2 late 1sts and Dejounte Murray.

The Cavs add a real center, another big that can shoot, 2 3 and D wings, plus a defensive minded center. The team will be extremely expensive and they give up most of the future, but putting a ton of shooters and a team that should be really good on defense around Lebron should give them a title chance.

The Heat are in a weird spot. The bulk of their team is young except Dragic who is their best player and their 2nd best player is disgruntled and may be replaced by a rookie in a few years, who he's already loosing time to. They have a ton of solid young wings that it will be hard to find time for all of, they're going to be in the luxury next year, they're a mediocre team with out a ton of upside and they're missing 2 of their next 4 1sts. This trade gives them the chance to sell high on Dragic, get rid of Whiteside before he becomes to much of a problem, open up significant cap space next summer, and add young talent/picks. They take a step back next year, but probably 2 steps forward the year after with back to back lottery picks and they ability to open up a max contract.

The Mavs add some young talent and picks for use of their cap space. I don't think Barnes is part of their long term future and his loss will just help them tank a little more next year.

12 Apr 2018 20:23:25
I don't like what the Spurs get in return. Osman doesn't have the visible upside Murray has, and Dragic, and Barnes are arguably just as overpaid as some claim Mills, and Gasol are. 2 1sts, and a 2nd too. It looks like a poor value return.

12 Apr 2018 20:48:25
You make a lot of valid points, but you're overvaluing Barnes. Maybe add a bit more to the Spurs and its a go. Your assessment of the Miami situation is spot-on though.

12 Apr 2018 21:30:46
Maybe take the Spurs 2nd and Zizic away from the Mavs, then give Zizic to the Heat and Nance to the Spurs?

12 Apr 2018 21:55:12
Jorga, I can see where you can argue Murray over Osman, but I see them as similiar caliber prospects and the Spurs actively tried to trade for Cedi over the Summer. I think since they add a starting pg here, lose their 3 and D guy and Anderson hitting free agency this year, Osman might be a more valuable prospect for them. Murray probably wouldn't see a ton of playing time at point over Dragic and Parker with his shooting struggles, I'm not sure how much he can move over to the 2. Osman can play either wing and the 4 in certain lineups. Plus, I think Pop could turn him into one of the better wing defenders in the league and make him a dangerous offensive player. His game and raw skill set just seem tailor made for Pop to mold.

You can argue that Barnes is overpaid, but he's already proven he can be a good 2 way 3rd option on an elite team. Plus, he's still young enough for Pop to coach up. He would be the 2nd option for them on offense right now with Kawhi out.

Dragic isn't overpaid. He's a borderline allstar year in and year out and can do everything you would hope your pg can plus he can play off the ball and he's a decent defender. He's only making 17 million this year. Compare that to the Spurs part time pg, Mills who's making 10 million on a 4 year deal and isn't a starting pg.

Gasol looks completely done and is slated to make 16 million next year. Green can still play, but there have been rumblings he's unhappy with his role and they should try to get something out of him before he walks and as long as you have that team with Leonard, those picks will be in the Late 20s.

13 Apr 2018 04:04:56
10pts, 8rbd, 3ast, 1blk is not bad in 23.5 minutes for Gasol. Would S. A. Rather have a younger guy? Undoubtedly, yes. He may retire in the off season. They are nearing their rebuild, and I would find a deal to add Cedi for his value as a 9-11 man off the bench, young, with future potential, and not trade my 21 year old starting PG in the process. Barnes is not a good start due to his salary, and position, (Gay, Leonard) and the same thing for Dragic, and his age, and salary. S. A. Is going to rebuild eventually, I don't think this deal is good for them. Not my intention to offend, but that appears to have already happened long ago.

12 Apr 2018 16:20:50
Cavs off-season

Spurs get Lebron and Patterson

Cavs get Gasol, Murray, Singler, Abrines 2 Spurs 1st, the Thunder 22 1st top 5 protected and a 2nd

OKC gets Korver and Danny Green

2nd trade

The Cavs get Turner, Harkless, Leonard, Sabonis, Swanigan, 19 and 21 1sts , and 18 and 20 Pacers 1sts

The Pacers get Love and Hill

Portland gets Thad Young, Clarkson, Bogdonavic and Jefferson

3rd trade
The Knicks get Jr Smith (buyout), Singler and Nance

The Cavs get Noah and the Knicks 18 1st

Cavs New roster

Pg Murray
Sg Hood/ Abrines
Sf Osman/Harkless/Turner
Pf Swanigan/ Gasol
C Sabonis/Zizic/ Leonard/Noah
Payroll approximately 110 million including the 18 picks.
+ 18 Nets, Knicks, Spurs and Pacers 1sts
19 Cavs (if in the top 10), Portland 1sts
20 Cavs, Spurs, Pacers 1sts
21 Cavs, Portland 1sts
22 Cavs, Thunder 1sts

I also think they should be willing to deal Gasol(19-20 is only partially guaranteed), Harkless, Abrines, Hood, and Murray at the deadline for the right price (in that order). Gasol for 1st if someone wants to move a big contract, Harkless and Abrines for a 2nd or 2, a young player with some potential, or a some decent cap relief. Hood for mid 1st round pick and some cap relief and Murray for a potetial top 10 pick. Potentially make a run at Wiggins if the Cavs can get him cheap.

Buyout Turner, Leonard, Noah, and possibly Gasol ans Harkless next summer. Even if they can only save a few million from each, it should keen them out of the luxury tax.

15 Apr 2018 00:37:44
Trades have to work for all parties involved. If you think the Pacers would give up 2 players and 2 first round picks to a division rival along with 2 additional players to another team and then only receive 2 players in return your crazy.

15 Apr 2018 04:49:03
Trades are suppose to work for all party involved. If you think the Pacers would trade 2 young up and coming players and 2 first round draft picks to a division rival and 3 other players for a pg whose best days are behind him, and an overpaid PF you're crazy.

 
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