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03 Oct 2015 22:48:30
Trading deadline blockbuster trade
Wiz get Durant Melo Calderon Early Roberson Thanasis
Knicks get Wall Nene Morrow Webster
OKC get Beal Porter Oubre 2 unprotected 1st
04 Oct 2015 00:45:03
04 Oct 2015 02:22:27
This is a joke right
04 Oct 2015 02:54:11
Durant resign with Melo and maybe with Walls
04 Oct 2015 03:02:18
Knicks absorb morrow and Webster contract, to make deal work, okc take on 1/2 of durant salary 2 1st. Okc depth and future is set. knicks close melo failed story and bring best pg since their announcer. Wiz ability to bring melo and Durant 2 players who roots to the area and become best duo and favorites in the east. Durant resign bc of melo not Wall
02 Oct 2015 18:25:19
WAS get Carmelo Anthony & Jose Calderon
NYK get Bradley Beal, Martell Webster, Nene, Kelly Oubre & 1st round pick 2016
WAS get the star to play with Wall now to make Durant see that they are really a win now team
NYK set to make Beal as their primary option on the triangle while also getting a good young sf to play back up to Afflalo
Sf Porter Jr/Anderson
next season would be
02 Oct 2015 22:08:24
If Was get Melo they probably won't be able to get KD
02 Oct 2015 22:20:04
If you offered me beal, oubre, and a first, or just Melo, I'll take beal, oubre, and the first.
03 Oct 2015 13:52:13
That trade would put Wizards at around $60m in salary for next year. Is that enough room to sign Durant?
I agree with Ben Miller- I'd keep Beal, Oubre and the 1st. UNLESS I was sure to get Durant.
03 Oct 2015 15:32:08
Salary cap is at 89 mill. Durant is going to get 25 mill if he signs elsewhere I believe. So wiz would have to do some moves
02 Oct 2015 15:49:26
BOS get Gorgui Dieng & OJ Mayo (exp)
* add a young defensive center
MIN get 1st from MIL, Miles Plumlee & Avery Bradley
* add a defensive guard & a 1st for Martin
MIL get Kevin Martin & Kelly Olynyk
* add depth & shooting
03 Oct 2015 03:29:12
Minnesota doesn't need an overpriced, undersized SG who can't shoot.
02 Oct 2015 12:21:07
Rose & Mirotic for Carmelo & Grant
02 Oct 2015 14:23:44
Mirotic is not an sf, Rose can't stay healthy. Bad for NYK.
02 Oct 2015 15:31:56
Yeah, while talent wise, would be a relatively fair trade. Rose is not able to stay on the court. Sad but true. Additionally, Mirotic, while talented. is going to have issues in the NBA unless he gains some weight. he's too frail to defend pf. but to slow to defend sf.
02 Oct 2015 10:11:00
VERY UNREALISTIC but anyway
BULLS - KNICKS
Derrick Rose for Carmelo Anthony
02 Oct 2015 10:32:39
Too big gamble for NYK to take Rose and his injuries.
02 Oct 2015 14:25:31
Rose is a burden for Chicago at this point. Melo is Melo but he will give points and not injury reports.
02 Oct 2015 19:00:41
@Jacob Kubacki. You know what? You're so right. Derrick Rose got elbowed in the face at practice so that implies more that his body is breaking down. 1) He kept the team going in the playoffs. 2) HE isn't EVEN MISSING THE START OF THE SEASON (as of right now). 3) The city of Chicago loves him and half of them come to watch him.
Ultimately, no. You're wrong.
02 Oct 2015 21:45:29
Good one cwj. You tell him! What happened the 3 prior seasons to the guy who's entire game is based on speed, quickness and banging at the rim? It's always something with rose the pat 3 years. It's a shame but it's true. He can't be relied upon to stay healthy.
03 Oct 2015 12:52:50
@cwj Don't get so emotional. I am just saying that he can't be considered as a cornerstone for a team cause a big part of the year he is not there. If you pay a player as much as Rose was and is paid you want to build around that player. He is a great player but Chicago is not that good cause they have him on payroll. Chicago is good cause Thibbs did a great job, cause you have Butler, Noah and many other good players. Having Melo is safer and Rose is a risk. I know that the last injury is not a big thing but it is ANOTHER injury on his list. I hope he will not end up like Yao. So best wishes to D. Rose (stay healthy) and if he does I hope Bulls will win a title (yet I would be happier if they would win with Thibbs).
01 Oct 2015 11:40:14
Sign - Kevin Durant and Zaza Pachulia
SnT Jordan Clarkson, Nick Young, Larry Nance Jr, and future picks for Carmelo Anthony
- Knicks have made it clear that Melo doesn't fit the direction that the Knicks are going towards. Knicks are rebuilding. Clarkson is one of the young point guards in the game and made the NBA all rookie team. I can't see many teams wanting him.
Resign - Kobe Bryant and Roy Hibbert
(Both to hometown discounts)
D'Angelo Russell - Marcelo Huertas
Kobe Bryant - Lou Williams - Michael Frazier
Kevin Durant - Anthony Brown
Carmelo Anthony - Julius Randle
Roy Hibbert - Tarik Black - Robert Upshaw
Can you image Mamba, Melo, and KD playing together? If not trade for Melo they can always recruit Horford which IMO would be a better fit and more realistic.
SAS reported that KD has mutual interest in LA and is targeting LA if he doesn't resign in OKC.
01 Oct 2015 13:31:34
As discussed in a prior package, the knicks wouldn't have any interest in that trade. Nance and Young don't have much if any positive value, Clarkson is not nearly valuable enough for the knicks to consider him a center piece of a trade. Yes he is a young and plays pg. And yes he made 1st team all rookie. But the knicks have someone just as young, who made 2nd team, and now that guy is clinging to just make the roster. The rookie team is not of much importance. Rookie of the year, clearly is. To give you an understanding, Clarkson finished 6th in rookie of the year votes. He received 2. Ahead of him with 3. Jusuf Nurik. Winner was wiggens with 604. Not saying clarkson isn't decent, just no where near great.
As far as draft picks, the lakers don't have a 1st until 2020, so that helps no one.
Additionally, Kobe is on his last legs. Itll be fun to watch from a nostalgia standpoint, otherwise, probably not a real contender.
SAS ALWAYS reports everythiung is NY or LA. that's what he does.
01 Oct 2015 13:50:25
This is ridiculously one-sided.
The rest of the board thinks Russell and Randle and a pick might be enough for Melo.
Durant is far more likely to stay in OKC or go to his hometown in WAS than to go to the Lakers.
Stephen A Smith is always going to make up extreme things to say about LAL and NYK because those are big markets and get him attention. For example, last year didn't he talk about how hard it would be for the Lakers to choose whether to sign Kevin Love or LaMarcus Aldridge when they'd both want to be a Laker?
Finally, you even add "hometown discounts?" Excuse me, this is Kobe Bryant, who risked hamstringing your organization by demanding the MOST expensive salary in the entire NBA, when he was clearly not close to the best player in the NBA any more.
This whole thing is a pipe dream, and you should have woke up after last season.
01 Oct 2015 15:07:01
Damn that was so spot on!
01 Oct 2015 15:14:06
I just have one point of contention Shrink.
Kobe didn't demand the MOST expensive salary in the NBA. He simply didn't turn it down. The Lakers were foolish enough to offer him that extension before he returned from his achilles injury. On a business and competitive level, that was foolish to do. On a loyalty and personal level, I have respect for the Lakers paying him for what he's done for the organization.
01 Oct 2015 16:31:46
Can we stop calling clarkson one of the best young PGs in the NBA? He's not one of the ten best PGs under 25.
Lillard, wall, Irving, walker, Bledsoe, knight, MCW, holiday, and Rubio are all in another league to clarkson. And I'd take the future of Payton, smart, and exum over clarkson too. He's not even top 30 among point guards in three point percent or assist to turnover ratio.
And yeah, others hit on it, but that trade is terrible. Hibbert isn't taking a "home town discount" to play for a team he plays one year for and a city he's not from. Kobe isn't taking a home town discount cause he's Kobe.
01 Oct 2015 17:21:04
Any trade for Melo would demand young players to grow with Zinger and Grant. In addition, the Knicks would probably also try to restock their depleted draft situation. That makes the Lakers a bad partner in a bilateral trade since they also have a depleted draft situation.
Sixers, Boston, Denver, Toronto and Phoenix have an abundance of future picks so I think you'd have to include them in as a multilateral partner in order to satisfy the Knicks.
In addition, keep in mind that Melo has a no trade clause so he's not going to any of the above teams since he would want to be traded to a win-now situation or be part of a new Big 3 situation (as you're trying to do here).
Here's a link for who has what as far as future draft picks:
01 Oct 2015 17:22:02
Actually, I think you're both wrong about Kobe and his contract. And believe me, I'm no Kobe fan. Here's an article about what he could have demanded. But that's not what he's getting.
As for Shrink's perspective on Carmello, yeah, the Knicks should be very happy if they get an offer of Russell and Randall and a 1st rounder for Melo.
Also agree that LA is not the top drawl that it once was. Still think studs that want the LA limelight would prefer the Clippers. Kobe is kind of a shadow on the organization right now. Too much unknown. He's not a long term solution.
Dwight Howard move not working out for Lakers was a real setback. He was supposed to be the guy to take over and it didn't work out. Time for the Lakers to be reborn under a new brand not called Kobe.
01 Oct 2015 17:38:51
The reason Kobe was on a $30 mil deal two years ago, far higher than anyone else, is because he's taken max deals, with max raises, for so many consecutive years.
I don't believe $25 mil was any sort of discount that Kobe, his agent, and the Lakers agreed upon. Most other players in his age group that had already made their fortunes took lower amounts commensurate with their ability, and some took major dicounts (Tim Duncan springs to mind). Kobe didn't, and his decision to sign that deal and suck up all that extra payroll was good for Kobe but clearly not good for the success of his team.
01 Oct 2015 18:18:29
Im not following you Shrink? $25M wasn't a discount? (The first year of his extension was actually for $23.5M, it went up to $25M this year). He took an $8.5M discount for what his max could have been. I understand that's not earth shattering, but in the article they said they had about $50M in cap space. With Kobe taking $23.5M, that left them about $26.5M left. That was enough to sign a max contract and a solid role player.
Before LeBron, Wade, & Bosh all took less to play together, I can't think of anybody taking a huge paycut to add more cap space. I don't know why Kobe is the only one who gets accused of being greedy.
Again, the Lakers offered him that extension and he accepted. He didn't demand max money. The Lakers probably had a plan with the remaining cap space and things didn't work out like they didn't again this last offseason.
01 Oct 2015 19:48:24
We are fair-minded people that disagree on what a discount is.
You believe that taking less than the max - only in his last deal - was a discount. However, that is not what he is worth. $23.5 and $25 mil is not what his market value is either - no team in the league would have offered him close to that. To me, that is the opposite of a "discount." He is costing the team by getting paid for production he can't produce.
When Kobe signed his $23.5 and $25 mil deal, several superstars had already taken discounts for far under $20 mil. I believe the LeBron, Bosh, Wade discounts came at the same time Kobe did not.
If he wanted to help the Lakers, he would not have taken the max deal five years ago, and he certainly would not have taken that much money last year.
01 Oct 2015 20:38:12
NLD. Dirk Nowitski. Tim Duncan. to name a couple.
Kobe is so prideful, it would be dillusional to believe he would play for what, less than Roy "Too Slow" Hibbert?
The prior post talking about home town discounts had kobe at like 12 mil and hibbert at 15 mill. Kobe would resign AND give a discount at best, 20 mill a year. He'd rather retire than take a 50% pay cut.
01 Oct 2015 21:01:59
Shrink, all I'm saying is that he didn't take the MAX this current contract. He got quite a bit, that's for sure. I'm not certain but the article said something about Dwight Howard. Maybe Kobe took less so Howard could take more and stay in LA while leaving some breathing room for the rest of the roster?
That Dwight Howard/Bynum deal with Orlando involved was a complete disaster. Did any team get better? Orlando got a couple picks from Sixers and Vucovic but they're still lottery fodder too.
01 Oct 2015 21:18:13
Duncan yes, Nowitzki has declined quite a bit and signed that discounted contract last year. Even so, you gave me 2 players. It's still not common practice for any player to leave money on the table.
Bosh & LeBron went on to sign max deals and LeBron keeps opting out and resigning for max after each year. Nobody's hating on him or Bosh.
My point is Dallas offered Dirk less and told him they would go after FA to help him win. They'll be lucky to make the playoffs this year. From what I read when Kobe signed his extension, that's what the Lakers offered him. They didn't approach him and ask him to take a discount so they could put more talent around him. That's the Laker's fault for doing that, not Kobe's.
How do you know he would have said no if they asked him to take less l? How do you know he wouldn't take a 50% paycut if he wanted to play longer and remain a Laker? You have no clue how much he'd be willing to resign for.
01 Oct 2015 23:24:06
Bosh and Lebron took a paycut and so did dirk and that was at the time of free agency. If the Lakers had signed him to an extension at the time of free agency they would've offered him less. Let melo stay on thee knicks. I would rather see Russell and randle traded for Cousins. If Durant comes to la I think Kobe wouldn't mind coming back at less than 12.5 mill. If now free agents come he will retire and live happy. Let this offseason talk take place after the year besides stephen a smith say the knicks might team melo up with kobe and durant and reports something else each week.
01 Oct 2015 23:48:49
A) Kings won't trade Cousins for russell and randle. so just stop.
B) LeBron and Bosh took less money in the PRIME of their careers.
C) LeBron is the best in the game. End of story. Where he goes, they get to the finals. He can do what he wants and there's nothing wrong with it.
D) Durant isn't going to LA. I would say 40% OKC. 40% Washington. 10% some wild card. He has no ties with the lakers. Besdies liking kobe. why else would he go? Kobe is going on his what, 20th season? that's like signing a long term contract to play 1 year with Jordan on the wizards. It doesn't make sense. Once Kobe is gone, he's there with Hibbert and some rookies. that's lovely.
02 Oct 2015 00:09:26
Russell and Randle are a good package for the kings considering they would rebuild. It was a no brainier for lebron to take less money to team up with an all star because he was focused on "winning". Not a lebron fan at all. If kobe was going to get a key free agent he would've taken less money but the lakers decide to offer him one during the season and you can blame that mostly on JIM BUSS WHO NEEDS TO GO. Just because they don't have ties with the city doesn't mean they can't go there, look at monroe and what al jefferson did. With signing Durant lakers would still have cap space to sign their center not just hibbert. I think someone would want to team up with durant.
02 Oct 2015 02:21:48
Russell and Randle is a good package, just no where near the value for Cousins. Most teams don't see Randle as this all star level pro. And Russell is a big who knows as of now.
What did monroe do? He took the MAX with the bucks. What did al jefferson do? He opted in to the final year of a large contract for the specific reason to capitalize on the cap boom in a year. Your references really don't deal with anything.
Fianlly, to the last point. DURANT isn't LEAVING OKC, SAYING NO TO PLAYING IN DC FOR HIS HOME, SAYING NO TO PLAYING IN NYC WITH MELO, TO GO TO A REBUILD IN LA WITH THE HOPES AND PRAYERS THAT SOMEONE WILL WANT TO BE HIS FRIEND AND COME PLAY CENTER.
Im glad we can all talk about how forfeiting millions is a no brainer. LeBron was in a special situation in that he is so marketable. Yes, these people are still making 10, 12, 15 million a year. But really. its still MILLIONS they are leaving behind. And why? Because we think they should be nice? It doesn't happen. Not with people like Kobe. Deal with it.
02 Oct 2015 03:08:22
I think it's the Lakers who need to rebuild, not the Kings.
02 Oct 2015 04:42:31
"how do I know Kobe wouldn't have taken less if the Lakers offered less?" seriously?
You know, he or his agent could have offered to take less at any time!
Some players take contracts that hurt their team and that they won't be able to produce at that level. Those are selfish players - selfish to the owner, selfish to the team by using up payroll that could bring in more talent, and therefore selfish to the fans.
If you are saying Kobe was not aware that taking more money than he deserved would hurt the team, then you or he must be very naive.
Finally, Philly, the Collective Bargaining Agreement provides the rules that allow every player to get a max deal. Every player that is not on a max deal is not taking a "discount." If you say, "well, some don't deserve a max deal," that's true -- and Kobe was one of those players.
02 Oct 2015 14:51:12
Mr sluggo must have high hopes for the Kings team. Lakers are rebuilding and the Kings have been rebuilding for 10 years and need to do something or the fans in sactown who are loyal. Pizza you brought up that durant has no ties with la. So then I said that Monroe and al Jefferson had no ties but they signed in free agency.
02 Oct 2015 15:38:10
King, you REALLY need to read the posts accurately. I said Hibbert has zero connections thus he wouldn't give a hometown discount. The other doesn't even make sense. So you think I was saying players don't switch teams, ever? So you decide to give me examples of players that signed elsewhere?
Again. the thought is that Hibbert and Kobe will give a huge "home town discount" so the lakers can then max out Durant, trade for the maxed out Melo, or potentially sign a maxed out Center. Its unrealistic. Everyone, minus "king" and NLD have come to that conclusion.
Side note. I read the SAS article in which he said LA is the choice. Apparently, the part which was missed was the second more telling part in which he said he just keeps hearing "kobe, Melo, Durant" And seeing as P jaxson is in NYC, and the subtle hints of Kobe leaving LA(which I don't necessarily buy) that NY could be a landing spot. SAS is the king of inaccurate speculation, so stop listening and preaching his nonsense.
02 Oct 2015 16:39:30
Oh, as for the Kings.
I think they're lottery fodder and actually get the ping pong balls to land in their favor and get a top 3 pick- only to be forced to swap it with the Sixers.
Just have a wave of karma washing over me for some reason.
02 Oct 2015 23:23:28
Pizza Ben Miller was the person who said Hibbert wouldn't take a homeoptown discount and he wouldn't because it's not his hometown and he's only going to play one year there. You weren't the one to say it so stop accusing me of not reading it all the way when you don't. You said durant has no connections to la so he shouldn't sign there so I brought up some people who had NO connections to those teams and they signed. Understand?
03 Oct 2015 05:27:25
Didn't realize I apparently claimed ownership of that observation. Also didn't realize you could possibly think anyone would truly believe that players don't switch teams. I'll be clearer next time to make sure you get the point. I know people switch teams in free agency. I also know people don't give home town discounts when they have been around for 6 months. Or when they are Kobe.
03 Oct 2015 15:35:12
Kobe would take less than 15 mill this year if he were to come back and sorry you don't understand my point. I know Hibbert won't give a discount unless he really really likes it la.
03 Oct 2015 20:12:49
Alright King. I'm done with this. Clearly you are friends with those two to know Kobe will suddenly take half his salary and hibbert will potentially give a discount to sign with a team. Makes no sense. But hey, clearly you must know them and have insider info to be able to so strongly stake claim to moves that go against all typical and rational moves.
03 Oct 2015 20:43:14
I SAID that HIBBERT WOULD NOT TAKE A DISCOUNT. Maybe in all caps you will get the point.
30 Sep 2015 21:21:45
Raptors get Kevin Martin
* could need a scoring 6th man off the bench
Celtics get Terrence Ross & Gorgui Dieng
* get 2 young pieces, one who can protect the rim
Wolves get Avery Bradley & Jared Sullinger
01 Oct 2015 07:43:48
Send a future 1st round pick to Wolves instead of J.Sullinger. I think they would like it more.
01 Oct 2015 10:04:49
I would love to see Dieng in Boston.
01 Oct 2015 11:23:20
Minnesota doesn't need an overpriced, undersized SG who can't shoot and a PF who thinks he is a stretch 4 but can't shoot. Minnesota passes on this trade.
01 Oct 2015 14:10:29
It's not bad, but let me give you a closer view on MIN.
They aren't tanking, but their goal isn't wins either - it's developing for the future. They have their three young wings in place (Wiggins, LaVine, Shabazz) for two spots. While Kevin Martin is clearly better than the last two and will begin the season as a starter, you are right that he is available because he's not in his early twenties. They need minutes for all three young players, so while Bradley is a better age fit, I think they'd simply prefer to get a pick (and BOS has plenty of those).
As for Dieng, he's an older player on rookie scale, so I don't think he's untradable. He is a borderline starter for many teams, a good rim protector, and is learning to play PF as well. But for MIN, he has extra value because he is an extremely cheap counter-balance to Pekovic, both for payroll and playing time. After off-season surgery, Pek says he feels better than he has in years, but he won't be ready to start the season, and his health is always a giant question mark. If Pek is playing 20 minutes a night, I think only then will Dieng be shopped, with Pek, Towns, Garnett, Bjelica getting the bulk of the big man minutes. Right now though, I think MIN will keep him for insurance.
29 Sep 2015 19:49:48
Steven A Smith said this morning he's hearing if Durant leaves OKC next summer, LA is his preferred destination. Also, Melo wants to play with him and/or Kobe if he doesn't retire.
Lakers sign KD to max contract (4 yrs $110M and whatever options he wants). Trade for Melo. Resign Kobe (2 yrs $20M), resign Hibbert ($15M per year)
NYK: J Clarkson (RFA next summer, not sure how that works), B Bass, N Young, and their next available 1st rd pick.
SG: Kobe/Lou Williams
29 Sep 2015 20:41:03
New York won't want to wait until minimum 2020 for that draft pick.
29 Sep 2015 20:42:04
Plus, that package isn't enough for Carmelo
29 Sep 2015 20:45:05
HaHa this is legit, the single worst melo trade that has been posted here. Ever.
A) knicks would laugh non stop at this.
B) Durant wants to go to LA, NY, DC, Thunder. no one knows.
C) Thinking Bryant may actually play elsewhere.
D) you do realize, even though the cap is higher, there still is a cap. You have 75million on just Kobe, Anthony, Durant and Hibbert. Randle and Russle each make like 5. Lou williams is 7. you're already over the cap and still need 5 more players.
This is absurd
29 Sep 2015 21:07:36
Not enough for melo.
29 Sep 2015 22:06:26
My bad, I guess I just don't value Melo the same as you guys.
Forget him then.
29 Sep 2015 22:16:55
Riiiiight, NLD. there's a difference between seeing him as a top 20 versus top 30 player. as opposed to the value you give him which is about equal to Brian Scalabrini. Ya know, perhaps they could pull Lebron over as well for Steve Nashs insurance covered contract, a 2nd round pick from 2022 and a 1989 signed lakers team picture. I mean, come on. A.C. Green was on that team!
Not to mention, you have the trade being like 10 million in total salary for 24 million. Guess this was a horribly thought out proposal lol
29 Sep 2015 23:17:54
Hibbert isn't worth that much. Let pizza think he has value no team would touch we wouldn't need Melo let him stay in ny. Pizza just because Phil Jackson wants Kobe on the Knicks doesn't mean Kobe will go. If your going to base it on comments then Kobe said he bleeds purple and gold.
29 Sep 2015 23:32:47
I'm assuming Clarkson has a solid year and becomes a $10M + per year player since he's a RFA next summer. That's about $19M between those 3 players and a future 1st.
Like I said, I obviously am in the minority on Melo's value since everyone else agrees with you Pizza. I get it's a concensus unbelievable trade. You know I don't like Melo based on previous comments. But if that's what it takes to get Durant to sign with LA, I can live with him on my team. Just not sure what it would take to get him. Russell is off limits in my point of view. What would it take?
Regarding the salary cap, the Lakers have only $26.1M in guaranteed contracts next summer and $48.6M in cap holds. If they resign Kobe right away for $10M, that gets rid of his enormous $26.25M cap hold. That puts them at $36.1M in contracts and $22.4M in cap holds ($58.5 total). That's plenty of room to sign KD (about $26M) which puts them at $84.5M. If They could S&T Clarkson (4 yrs $44M), Young, & Bass, they'd be trading $18.4M + Future 1st for Melo's $24.6M salary. That puts them at $80.9M with $21.1M cap hold. They have Hibbert's bird rights so they can go over the cap to resign him. At $15M per year, that puts them at $95.9M. The cap is suppose to be about $90M so they're still under the tax threshold. They can still use any exceptions they might have as well as min contracts to fill out the roster.
SF: Durant/A Brown/Holmes
30 Sep 2015 01:56:54
How did all the lakers fans go we get Melo for peanuts. And then when people go he's worth more than an overrated pg and a pick in the distant future, you go fine. We didn't want him anyways lol. Durant isn't going to go to the lakers. Especially if it's just kobe. Why leave a far better team for that building project?
I don't believe Kobe will be a knock. I just think the lakers will finally do a full rebuild.
30 Sep 2015 03:15:38
Pizza why won't you make a post once instead of bashing other teams? You like to bash trades and signings but you never make one for a team.
30 Sep 2015 06:54:30
C'mon, it's Stephen A Smith! How many times has this guy been wrong? He is always going to say that LA and New York are about to get a star player, because those lies get him more attention.
30 Sep 2015 12:12:29
Agreed shrink. "King" the post was absurd. Occasionally on here some people expect such ridiculous returns, that their posts get disagreed with. Deal with it as opposed to quoting Taylor swift in saying haters going to hate. Just shake it off man. Shake it off.
Also, those salary numbers don't work. You are at 95 million and have half a roster.
Finally, you expect clarkson to have a good year this year to warrant 4 yr 44 million? From who? Listen, I understand fans are excited about how he was better than expected. But let's not go crazy. One of the better players on a terrible team which based off wins he made significantly worse does not equate to a very well paid pg. you are ranking him at rubios level with that contract. I'm not a huge Rubio fan as far as scoring but in every other facet of the game it's no contest. Just simmer down.
30 Sep 2015 16:41:36
The Knicks will want draft picks.
Lakers get Carmello
Knicks get Hibbert, Randall, Lakers 1st Rounder from Sixers
Sixers get Russell
Or something like that. You have to get the Sixers or Phoenix involved somehow since they have excessive 1st rounder.
Also, just back from LA. I wouldn't be surprised if Kobe is not a Laker next year. Not surprised at all.
30 Sep 2015 21:01:42
Tell me how the salary numbers don't work. They have 12 guys in that scenario not half a roster.
Ellis signed a similar contract with IND this last summer and he's an inefficient volume scorer. With the cap rising another $10M next year, and another $20M the year after that, I think 4 yrs $44M is right in for Clarkson if he can maintain or build upon the type of season he had once he got starters minutes.
30 Sep 2015 21:02:41
You're probably right, but if it takes Russell to get Melo, I'd rather not make that trade.
30 Sep 2015 23:22:35
Sixers shouldn't be in that deal. If its is before the season then Sixers would run away with a steal by trading a pick likely out of the top 3 for the 2nd overall pick. If it was after the season then still the sixers would run away with unfair value because if it is the top three pick the lakers keep it. So either way it benefits the sixers and they shouldn't be included unless giving more value.
30 Sep 2015 23:26:34
Pizza I asked you to make a post and denied it like shrink has asked you to do before but you ignore my challenge. 11 million per year for him won't a big contract like you think because of the rising salary cap. Take Lou Will's contract for example, 3 yrs 21 mill. 7 mill per year. When the cap goes up his contract value would be 4 mill per year making him kind of a bargain for being a sixth man. Players like Calderon Pek and others contract won't be a large amount like they seemed before.
01 Oct 2015 00:29:21
What challenge? The Knicks aren't agreeing to 11 mill a year for 4 years for a reserve player at best. Simple as that.
01 Oct 2015 02:56:14
Funny how you use a Taylor swift quote. I thought jimmy butler was one of the few men who listened to her. Not my kind of music but everyone is different. My challenge was for you to actually make a post on the Knicks for once and keep declining every trade. Just make one and tell us what value melo has IF he were to get traded
01 Oct 2015 13:48:05
Listen "king" as many have pointed out, this is a discussion board. This isn't 6th grade with double dog dares. You don't like disagreeance with posts, so be it. But if there is a post that I disagree with, i'm going to disagree. Fact is, clarkson's value is so ridiculously inflated by you and NLD. And Melo is ridiculously undervalued. Mock me about it. But Philly, Shrink. neither are Knicks fans. Tre. he and I always go at it about the knicks and sixers and even he says your valuation is absurd.
This isn't a middle school he said she said, I challenge you to do this nonsense. Do that if you wish, try and throw teenage barbs at disagreers. Go on discussions and call people "haters"(really thought we as a culture were fortunate enough to move past that idiocy). the post was a bad post. It just was. Clarkson probably has the value of a late 1st. MAYBE. I wouldn't even give that up.
What he did last year was show he's in the top 8 or so rookies. THE FIRST ROUND CONSISTS OF 30 ROOKIES. THAT doesn't MEAN YOU ARE A SECOND COMING OF CHRIS PAUL.
Others who made first team all rookie guards:
Tim HArdaway Jr ('14)
Dion Waiters ('13)
Landry Fields ('11)
Gary Neal ('11)
As far as value for Carmelo. as a knicks fan, I want to keep him. Minus a top 10 player being traded for him, I am happy with melo as a player and leader. He just needs the proper team surrounding him.
HOWEVER, the only trade the knicks would consider would revolve around a young/high value prospect and draft picks. The heat would be good, if they had draft picks. Centered around justice winslow, you can throw in a whiteside(although knicks have no need for that). But basically, it would be something like Winslow, fillers, and draft picks. that's it. But again, melo isn't being traded. Knicks don't have to trade him, and they don't want to trade him.
So just stop it.
01 Oct 2015 23:31:03
I don't care if you want to insult me with teenage barbs even though you would like to. I know shrink is a wolves fan and philly is obviously a sixers fan.
About a month ago you said it would be stupid for the lakers to trade Clarkson back for their own pick which is likely top 10. Now your saying his value is late first rounder maybe.
You said you would trade with the heat but they don't have future picks until 2018 so essentially your trading the big all star hotshot in melo for the 10th pick in the draft even though you claim his value to be much higher. So maybe you should just stop.
02 Oct 2015 00:03:15
you've exposed your self pizza.
You said about a month ago the lakers shouldn't trade Clarkson for their own pick back which could be top 10 and now you say his value is a late pick.
you bring up the heat with Winslow. They don't have a pick to trade until 2018 so basically your trading melo for the 10th pick in the draft while YOU claim his value is MUCH HIGHER.
This is the rumors page, the discussion page is nba talk so more posts go one here. Reread what you say.
02 Oct 2015 01:18:25
I really feel like I should jump in here and comment.
I got nothin'
02 Oct 2015 02:28:46
I did NOT say the lakers would be stupid to trade clarkson for their pick back. that's INSANE. I would have snagged that in a second. A most likely top 10 pick for a role player, ABSOLUTELY in a heart beat. The sixers would be insane for making that move. The post was for the OKC pick, which is projected around 27-30. and I thought at that level, might as well keep him. Read the post correctly. Like all the other posts.
In line with that statement of reading the full post. I know they don't have picks. that's why I wrote IF they had picks. A part you managed to completely miss. You asked what I thought his worth is. I said, a young prospect like justice winslow, with picks. And clearly they don't have any. And even if they did, knicks fans prefer keeping melo.
You need to grow up man. Make sure to read the whole posts. not just a few words here and there. It will help with your accuracy.
02 Oct 2015 14:24:13
About a month ago I posted a trade in which the Sixers traded back the Lakers pick in exchange for Clarkson. The response from Laker fan was a resounding NO.
I then sweetened the pot with another 1st rounder, the Sixers' own pick (I think), and was also hit by Laker fan with a resounding NO, we want to "keep the young core together."
I'm certain King said no to trading Clarkson. King, did Pizza agree with you on this? I don't exactly recall but you seem certain he was with you on that at the time.
Pizza probably doesn't remember. He's more interesting in bashing. It wouldn't surprise me if at the time he just took a side contrary to mine and now doesn't recall.
The conflict at this point is whether Pizza said no to my offer of the 1st rounders for Clarkson yet is now valuing him as a role player.
02 Oct 2015 14:54:36
Pizza said lakers say no for trading clarkson for the pick back. When you offered the Kings pick not sixers he didn't respond the other two times. So in other words he changes evaluations a lot
02 Oct 2015 14:57:09
Pizza telling me to read the post and comments all the way through while he ignores the fact that HE IS the one who doesn't read all the way through. Your real funny man. Your lucky I don't have prove proof but I remember you saying that. Your values change.
02 Oct 2015 15:45:58
Philly. the original post was for OKCs pick, which I believe is about accurate value, but I would have kept clarkson because developing him is a safer bet. IF it was the lakers, or multiple picks, absolutely would take that.
As far as "theking". i'm sorry, but did you really just go a month ago this happened, I have zero proof, but I know every post that was written on here. additionally. read the post above. you can't even follow the direct pattern in that thread. I have a hard time believing your accuracy on a response comment, to a post, involving a bevy of variations, including 3-4 different forms of 1st drafts and packages, with zero evidence. but you are positiive my response was that the top 5 pick is worth more than Clarkson. I have NEVER thought clarkson is worth a lottery pick.
"Theking" read the posts accurately.
02 Oct 2015 17:03:15
Theking. I don't even get why you would write "your lucky I don't have proof". why? Are you going to file criminal trade rumor charges against me for this claimed switching in opinions? Please don't intimidate me with these threats. they are so scary. you're lucky I don't have proof, otherwise, i'd be able to post an absurd teenager insult about how haters be hating and stuff lol
Relax there Perry Mason.
02 Oct 2015 23:27:49
Your lucky I don't have proof that your wrong and to shut you up. Your going on about random stuff and nobody really cares. I feel like I'm arguing with a ten year old and he keeps believeing in his own say and doesn't look at anyone else's point.
02 Oct 2015 23:29:20
There have been a bunch of posts of clarkson for the lakers pick back and I haven't seen one on the okc pick for him and I've came on this site the whole summer til now. Your memory is short it seems
02 Oct 2015 23:42:37
Btw pizza I asked you to make a post three times before you addressed it and yet you say I don't read the post all the way. Hahahaha
03 Oct 2015 05:25:28
What proof? What are you rambling about and why do you keep saying you challenged me? I said what his value is or at least what the Knicks would consider. Do you need it written again to comprehend my dear?
03 Oct 2015 15:38:03
You didn't even understand what I posted. READ THIS. I said I challenged you three times before you gave me a response to make a post. Finally you did. But you don't read my post all the way and you start talking nonsense
03 Oct 2015 20:15:09
Aww you made a challenge. That's cute. Haters be hating yo. And best not get no proof in Kings hands or he will make a mockery with his challenges to haters!! Seriously though, I'm going to let this die. Painful to admit, I have clearly realized you are under 15 and this is just too easy.
04 Oct 2015 01:18:05
Lmao pizza thinks he's figured out my age when he probably doesn't even know he's less than 10 years old. Stay home and eat pizza. You clearly don't read most of the stuff just wanting to believe what you say. But anything to make the children happy huh.
29 Sep 2015 17:10:12
MIA get Carmelo Anthony & Robin Lopez
NYK get Hassan Whiteside, Eric Bledsoe, Markieff Morris, Luol Deng & future 1st from MIA
PHX get Justise Winslow, Josh McRoberts, Chris Andersen & Mario Chalmers
01 Oct 2015 01:24:50
Suns Mgt would say. leave us out of this deal. you two go talk turkey, we'll keep who we have for now. and look for a Morris deal before the end of the year. besidaes, maybe the Knicks would want Miami's spent guys,but I doubt it & . no one else does either.
29 Sep 2015 14:58:30
IND: D Howard, T Ariza, '18 1st (HOU), '16 2nd (NYK), '17 2nd (POR)
Turner & Howard would be a great defensive front court. Turner would be a good stretch 4 to compliment Howard.
HOU: P George, C Budinger, I Mahinmi
PF: Jones/D Mo
28 Sep 2015 16:59:16
CHA get Paul George
* get their superstar
IND get Mkg, Jared Sullinger, Isaiah Thomas, 1st round pick CHA & 1st round pick from BOS
* the return is quite good for George
BOS get Frank Kaminsky & Marvin Williams
* get their coveted player
28 Sep 2015 19:34:26
The Celtics would never do this.
28 Sep 2015 23:34:50
The only team that would do this is Charlotte. You don't get a top flight, young star like George for the over paid MKG, the WAY over valued kaminsky and 1 mid to late 1st round pick. The celtics weren't trying to pay 84 1sts to get kaminsky. They wanted winslow.
29 Sep 2015 06:04:07
If you actually look at the stats you'll see MKG is not overpaid. Charlotte was a .500 team with him, not even close to that without him, and a top defense with him average without. I agree that Charlotte doesn't give up nearly enough but MKG is not overpaid.
29 Sep 2015 21:08:07
This is absolutely a player more valuable to charlotte than anyone esle. He has zero outside game, he just shoots from the paint. Not a great passer. And each year, less games played. 13 million for 4 years. seems a bit much. And for him the be the central figure of a trade for a top 10 player who is a legit 2 way SF. Charlotte doesn't give nearly enough, and the extension at this point seems unwarranted and unearned by all teams except for charlotte. No where near in value.
28 Sep 2015 06:38:42
Knicks Get: Nikola Mirotic, Chase Budinger, Doug McDermott, Chicago 2016 1st, Chicago 2017 1st, Indiana Protected 2018 1st, Dallas 2018 2nd
Bulls Get: Carmelo Anthony, Louis Amundson, Sasha Vujacic
Pacers Get: Joakim Noah
Mavs Get: Jordan Hill
28 Sep 2015 10:31:24
As a bulls fan I say no. Give up a lot of assets for a huge risk in melo and some scrubs. Melo isn't even necessary now with butlers emergence and the arrival of Gasol. Bad trade for chitown.
28 Sep 2015 10:36:23
Call me crazy yet I would have Gasol and not Mirotic. Gasol would be a good mentor for KP and Hernangomez in the future. Rest is fine. Would sign Batum in FA.
28 Sep 2015 13:11:02
At his current salary and age, I just don't see Carmelo being worth Mirotic, McDermott and THREE 1sts.
28 Sep 2015 14:38:06
Mavs trade a future second and get Jordan hill?
27 Sep 2015 20:53:10
Celtics Get: DeMarcus Cousins, Steve Novak, Steven Adams
OKC Get: David Lee, Kelly Olynyk, Dallas 2016 1st
Bulls Get: Rudy Gay
Kings Get: Taj Gibson, Dion Waiters, Evan Turner, Tyler Zeller, Doug McDermott, Chicago 2016 1st, Celtics 2016 1st, Brooklyn 2016 1st
I know that the salaries don't perfectly match up, OKC need to shed a couple million more, but I think this is a solid base for a potential DeMarcus Cousins trade
27 Sep 2015 22:18:39
Kings say no
27 Sep 2015 20:30:05
OKC Get: Kelly Olynyk, 2016 Dallas 1st Round Pick
Celtics Get: Steven Adams
28 Sep 2015 13:17:12
I think the value is fine, but if I'm OKC, I think my weakness is at center. I don't trust Kanter, and I wouldn't want to downgrade Steven Adams. In fact, I don't think OKC will be doing any trades of current production for future picks with Kevin Durant's future in OKC on the line.
27 Sep 2015 16:00:37
PHX get Jeff Green, Kelly Olynyk & 2016 1st from BOS
BOS get Alex Len & Jarnell Stokes
MEM get Jared Sullinger & PJ Tucker
27 Sep 2015 16:37:53
27 Sep 2015 07:13:38
Pistons Get: Kelly Olynyk
Celtics Get: Two 2nd Round Picks
27 Sep 2015 07:37:35
KO is worth a lot more than that.
26 Sep 2015 21:34:20
Pacers get Lopez Lou-Will Randle Lakers 1st
Knicks get George Miles Hibbert Lou-W
Lakers get Mahinmi Melo Calderon
Lopez and Randle allow pacers to play fast without being undersized, they depth front court
Lakers get star sf without giving up much
Knicks get better triangle players in place
27 Sep 2015 09:09:45
26 Sep 2015 15:14:40
IND - BOS - PHI
IND get: Jahlil Okafor & Avery Bradley
BOS get: Paul George
PHI get: Marcus Smart, James Young, Jared Sullinger, 2x Future 1st BOS
26 Sep 2015 17:55:15
If the sixers were going to make a trade for okafor, they would just cut out the celtics. If the pacers are giving up george for okafor and bradley, clearly okafor is the more prized piece. Bradley is NOT worth 2 firsts. but even still, the sixers could just give okafor and 2 late 1sts and get george or they could have the hodgepodge and picks you put. Think the sixers would go with george instead.
26 Sep 2015 18:18:45
Phillie might do this in a year but not right now when embiid is still hurt. So Sixers pass.
26 Sep 2015 20:17:09
I agree with Pizza. Sixers would cut Boston out of the deal. Maybe Okafor, Lakers #1, and Miami #1 for George?
26 Sep 2015 21:18:46
Heres the thing. there's zero chance the pacers would do that. You could give 4 1sts it wouldn't make a difference. the thing is, you get a stud you don't let him go. It just doesn't make sense. But if the pacers were game for this type of trade, the sixers absolutely wouldn't include the celtics.
26 Sep 2015 23:11:39
I don't believe the C's would even think about that trade. They'd be giving up way to much. If they are going to give up all that it would be for only 1 player, and his name is Boogie. And a 3rd team would be needed for that to happen.
25 Sep 2015 18:30:29
I don't think the Kings will trade Cousins unless they get another all-star in return. Their new arena is being built and will be ready for the 2016-2017 season. They cannot open that arena with a torn down team in a full blown rebuild.
After the season is over if OKC doesn't go to the finals:
SAC: Westbrook, A Johnson, '16 1st from BOS (via BKN)
OKC can convince Durant to resign keeping a core of Durant, Ibaka, & Cousins. Cousins has a great contract still and a year longer than Weatbrook's. They'd have to try and move Kanter somehow.
SAC gets in my opinion the most athletic and fun PG to watch. He can transform the team and be a good draw in the new arena. They are still probably a lottery team this year along with Brooklyn so they'd get 2 lottery picks to go along with Westbrook, McLemore, & WCS. Westbrook can be the man like he was last year with Durant out and average close to a triple-double.
BOS gets a 20 ppg veteran to help that team along.
25 Sep 2015 23:14:53
Not sure how durant would feel about his close friend leaving and what happens to kantar?
26 Sep 2015 00:14:04
I feel like OKC needs to give up more. Boston gives up a lot for Rudy Gay.
26 Sep 2015 00:22:05
IMO Westbrook>Cousins overall especially passion to the game and OKC already have a complete line up , Ibaka and Kanter could work well together. They just need to keep KD
26 Sep 2015 14:27:56
USA. Don't evaluate against each other. Evaluate against positions. I can name at least 5 that compete with Westbrook for best guard. Can't think of more than Davis and mayyyyy e gasol who compete for center. And honestly, gasol is too old to be considered better at this point.
26 Sep 2015 16:40:30
The Kings need a dominant center more than they need 3 PGs.
24 Sep 2015 17:49:22
LAC get Miles Plumlee & Cleanthony Early
MIL get Thanasis Antetokounmpo & NYK 2nd round pick
NYK get Jamaal Crawford
24 Sep 2015 19:23:04
I wouldn't give Early, Thanasis and 2 rounder for Crawford when we have Afflalo. I like his ofense ( though he can act stupid ) yet his defense is bleh.