25 Nov 2015 22:13:25
Okc get MKG Batum Calderon Grant
Charlotte get Melo Waiters
Knicks get Durant Payne Augustin.
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25 Nov 2015 22:13:25
25 Nov 2015 20:59:34
DAL get Carmelo Anthony and Aaron Afflalo
NYK get Chandler Parsons, Wesley Matthews and JJ Barea + maybe a pick.
25 Nov 2015 22:02:33
Fail to see any reason why the knicks would do this? Both parsons and Matthews are way overpaid. Matthews for another 4 years at 15 a year? It just makes no sense and does NOT make the knicks any better. Besides, Melo absolutely wouldn't go to Dallas.
25 Nov 2015 20:57:55
CHI get Wesley Matthews, Raymond Felton, Robin Lopez and DAL 1st
DAL get Joakim Noah, Jose Calderon and Aaron Afflalo and 2nd from NYK
NYK get Pau Gasol, JJ Barea and Mike Dunleavy
i don't know who's losing and who's winning with the deal. Please give some opinion?
25 Nov 2015 16:07:09
If the Pelicans want to surround Davis with superstar talent, why not go after the two most available players that have (at least at one time) held the title of superstar?
Pelicans get Derrick Rose and Carmelo Anthony
Knicks get Eric Gordon and Ryan Anderson
Bulls get Tyreke Evans and Jrue Holliday
A few points to make:
1. Clearly, this current roster built around Davis is not enough.
2. Rose and Melo have both been rumored to be available.
3. Knicks get two things they need: a big expiring contract, a flippable piece in Anderson.
4. Bulls get two things they'd need in a Rose deal: a point to replace Rose and a versatile wing without committing future $$$.
5. A lineup of Rose, (a shooting guard in a subsequent deal), Melo, Davis, and Asik is better than what they have now.
WAY out there and what-not, but is this at least intriguing?
25 Nov 2015 16:24:09
You think Knicks would do that without even receiving a pick? Men.
25 Nov 2015 17:05:22
For derrick rose, mayyyybe thatll work. For melo, that's laughable. First, there are no viable rumors that he is being shopped, quite the opposite. Second, the knicks are looking for a big expiring and a flipable piece for their star? Seriously? As USA, no picks, no prospects, no good players. just make the move to rid themselves of melo?
Come on, you can at least try better than that.
25 Nov 2015 20:00:22
I'm a Pels fan but even I say there's no way Knicks would do this. Pels are going to have to salvage this season somehow, get injury free and come FA 2016 They have a great cap situation to draw the pieces they need around AD.
24 Nov 2015 13:59:19
NYK - MIA - BOS
NYK get: Luol Deng (exp), David Lee (exp), Chris Anderson (exp), Avery Bradley, 2016 1st DP BOS (via MIN), and 2016 1st DP BOS (via DAL)
MIA get: Carmelo Anthony and Aaron Afflalo
BOS get: Justice Winslow, Jose Calderon, Taylor Johnson, Robin Lopez and 2016 MIA 1st DP
24 Nov 2015 15:02:04
Honestly I'm guessing your a Knicks fan and I'm suprised at this trade because New York gives up a lot for getting only Bradley as a future piece and 3 first round in this year. I mean I know you get Deng and Lee but like you said they are expiring and so is Anderson so they aren't in the future and you give up Carmelo who could get you two draft picks plus some and Afflalo, Calderon, and Lopez, those three can also get you a pick or two and a quality young piece so overall I see the Knicks getting screwed. They aren't giving up on the season yet and their future is already bright with Poz.
24 Nov 2015 15:31:22
too many moving pieces knick. no need for that.
25 Nov 2015 05:14:36
I want melo far away from porzingus but melo has way more trade value then bradley, deng and 2 1st round picks which only one will be lottery.
David lee sucks and can't run up and down the court anymore
Bradley is underachieving
Deng is an ok player
Not worth melo tho.
23 Nov 2015 20:47:07
NYK/Sac (after the 15th)
Cousins for Porzingis and Lopez
Porzingis is playing with a high ceiling and this could be a prelude for what is to come or there could be a drop. Sac takes a chance and they get two big men the fortify their front court while NYK gets a dangerous Melo/Cousins combo.
23 Nov 2015 23:08:50
Would be crazy (in a positive way) if that happened. I mean the situation with the Knicks is still the one that was expected after the draft, although they won some games now: Porzingis is, as a commentator recently put it, "ahead of his schedule, but still a project" and Carmelos peak may already be behind him. Even if they make the playoffs this year, how long will they be in them? Same thing next year. And when Porzingis finally reaches his peak, Carmelo may already see the horizon called career-end (unless he drank something of that Duncan stuff) . With the trade above this obviously all changes. But the biggest weakness still would be the PG-Spot for the Knicks. Wonder if they'd go for Rondo then too as Melo was/is allegedly favoring him. Also as Rondo's contract is expiring he may be a little easier to get, as he simply could be gone after the season. Would adding Calderon + Pick maybe even do it? Someone here wrote some weeks ago that the Knicks can't trade their 2017 first rounder? Why? On realgm they still own it.
24 Nov 2015 00:21:25
Knicks traded 2016. Can't do back to back. Knicks won't make this move. Porzingas is a third the price or less. Locked up for 4 years. A great teammate. And the team is really starting to gel. The Knicks aren't moving Melo or porzingis. They will build around them. Porzingis will lengthen Melos career because there is far less pressure to be he entire team. Additionally, porzingis will be a very attractive lure for free agents. He is turning out to be incredible.
24 Nov 2015 00:49:05
Good stuff pizza
24 Nov 2015 02:26:49
They can trade back to back if they've already drafted the player. They could even have traded the Porzingis pick at the draft, they just couldn't trade it before that.
Cousins is a beast, and from a talent standpoint Knicks win this deal. That said, I don't know that I want Cousins, don't think him and Melo fit together well, and I don't love his attitude either.
24 Nov 2015 07:00:57
Cpt - the reason they can't trade the 2017 is because in the past, a poor GM traded away all his future firsts in a failed attempt to win now. The NBA front office realized that this was terrible for a franchise, because when the team does bad, fans can't even say, "wait until next year" if they've traded away all their first rounders. The draft remains the NBA's best mechanism for parity. Anyway, that bad GM goes down in history, since future Collective Bargaining Agreements all now have "The Stepian Rule. "
Many people don't get this quite right, so let me state it clearly.
A team can't make a trade that would leave them without a first rounder in the next two drafts.
1. First note that this doesn't say "your" first rounders. If NYK could acquire a unprotected first rounder (a late one is probably the most realistic) for 2016 or 2017, then the Knicks could trade both the NYK 2016, and the NYK 2017.
2. Second, note that the rule covers the next two drafts. As Triangle points out, a team could trade their pick on draft night every single year, because on draft night the next two future drafts are the following two years. Also note that what you did the previous year doesn't matter at that point - it's all about the next two future drafts.
Anyway, I posted because I wanted to make sure that if you were learning it today, that you understood it without the common misconceptions it usually comes with.
24 Nov 2015 07:07:12
As for the trade, if the Knicks had a chance to get Cousins for Porzingas, you have to do that deal.
Porzingas has a good chance of becoming a star, no doubt. However, Cousins is undoubtedly already a star, and probably the best center in the NBA. Cousins just turned 25 - he's not old by any stretch of the imagination. But the main reason you do this is that franchises are built in franchise players. I don't like Cousins, but he is a franchise player, where Porzingas only may become one some day.
24 Nov 2015 12:45:56
Cool! Thanks Triangle and Shrink for the explanation about the Stepien Rule, didn't know that. Maybe a glossary here on this site would be useful, as I for example still don't understand everything about cap space. All the exception rules, has a team currently enough cap to sign a certain player, how much money can be send in cash (in a trade) and so on. All the info sites about it are like a punch to the face, like where do I start. And maybe a glossary here, also would prevent trade ideas like "Joe Johnson for Eric Gordon".
Back to the trade: I would agree with Pizza about building a team around them, if the age difference wouldn't be there. As nice as all that sounds, but by the time Porzingis becomes only 24, Melo already will be 35. And can you win a conference final, let alone a championship with this combination? I guess if the Knicks could get Cousins, at any price despite Melo, they also would. And if there'd be any chance to acquire Rondo (or Collison) within the trade too, that would be a total no-brainer I think. Btw, when Jackson was asked about Cousins 5 months ago, he said: “We don’t know if we have enough stuff to even be in the talk, but we’re aware of what’s going on. ” Now they might have enough "stuff".
24 Nov 2015 19:18:22
1) Shrink writes the Stepien rule every week, you don't need a glossery, just scroll down
2) I was speaking in general, yes there are exceptions, but i answered cpt's question. But I guess thanks for showing exceptions to the rule, that really helps everyone.
3) You do NOT have to take that trade. There is basically zero chance that Cousins is a fit for the coach, the team, the scheme or the organization. Love Cousins' ability and talent. Love his age. Hate his attitude. Hate him as a teammate. He isn't someone I would want to build a franchise around. He is someone I would want to be a part of a franchise build.
4) addressing the age thing, Porzingis will likely extend Melo's career. By being a viable threat offensively and lightening the load and pressure on Melo, he can actually last longer. Melo isn't a driver. His game isn't based on athleticism. It is very realistic that Melo can be a top talent for 2-4 more years, enough time to allow for Porzingis to develop and bring in others that would want to play with the improving knicks.
Shrink, you literally wrote in one comment about how the knicks' "poor gm" threw away the future for win-now. and then go immediately after, well, if you have to throw away the future for win-now, you gotta! that's the exact thinking that ruined the knicks the past 3 years. The knicks have learned (hopefully) and they are developing their talent. The knicks are satisfied where they are and aren't dismantling their team for a potential bad apple.
24 Nov 2015 23:14:59
Pizza, you never cease to amuse me.
"You literally wrote one comment about how the Knicks poor GM. "
Lol! Ted Stepien was the GM for the Cavs.
AND you used the word "literally, " when you get it wrong!
Misreading is common for you, but I was "literally" amused by the irony here!
25 Nov 2015 05:34:06
You can trade your first round pick every year. No such rules says you cant. I don't know where that guy got that rule from lol
Raptors own knicks 1st round pick this year from brignani trade
And nuggets own raptors 1st round pick 2016 with option to switch for 2017 raptors 2nd round pick
Fair to say nuggets will take raptors first round pick this year
I hope knicks learn their lesson a never trade a 1st round pick away for anybody. 1st round picks are way to valuble especially when you suck.
25 Nov 2015 14:54:24
Actually the raptors get the less favorable pick between the Knicks and Denver. Those trades were before the new cba.
23 Nov 2015 20:46:55
NYK- Kidd-Gilchrist, Lamb, Kaminsky, and two 1st round picks
The Knicks are not going to win it all with what they have. They need to rebuild and build around Prozingis. MKG, Kaminsky and Lamb are good, young pieces that can attract some big names in the offseason.
24 Nov 2015 02:28:04
Like a Melo to Charlotte deal, but I don't see the Knicks getting all that for Melo.
24 Nov 2015 14:39:20
Melo would veto the trade going to Charlotte.
23 Nov 2015 17:56:40
Rockets get Calderon O'Quinn
Knicks get Harrell Budinger G. Hill
Pacers get Lawson Early.
23 Nov 2015 15:23:39
PHX get James Young, David Lee (exp) and Cleanthony Early + 2nd from NYK
BOS get Robin Lopez and PJ Tucker
NYK get Amir Johnson and Markieff Morris
23 Nov 2015 16:41:19
Hmmm. not the worst deal for Morris I've seen. not too bad. but, would like another PF instead of Young. or make the 2nd a 1st.
23 Nov 2015 17:49:07
Knicks loose chemistry and still calderon is the pg, makes no sense.
22 Nov 2015 18:26:56
Oakland Thunders And New York Knicks
Kevin Durant And Carmelo Anthony
22 Nov 2015 19:26:15
I really appreciate how much thought you put into your proposals.
22 Nov 2015 19:50:56
None at all i see smh leuven.
23 Nov 2015 13:43:42
Fuquajay, Leica. Was being sarcastic. Sadly went over your head. Smh lmfao hehe lol.
22 Nov 2015 15:39:36
Hornets get Melo Early
Pacers get MKG Batum Hornets 2016 protected 1st
Knicks get George Budinger Whittington
Hornets know neither MKG and Batum will never be better than Melo now, Hornets make trade to win now bc Jefferson has only few more good yrs left with good youth around them could compete for title.
Pacers know of George's unhappiness. They get great
This is the type of move nobody in ny would ever
imagine to do but zenmaster who made fans believers again after drafting Porzingis a player everyone doubted.
22 Nov 2015 15:43:58
No chance Knicks get Paul George for Melo. And I'm a Knicks fan. This is absurd fandom!
22 Nov 2015 15:45:58
no defense on that Hornets team.
22 Nov 2015 15:55:15
Knicks need to give up more because George is better than melo.
22 Nov 2015 05:16:39
I posted this in response to another post and really think it would be an even and interesting trade for both teams.
NYK: B Griffin and L Stephenson
They get a young superstar who is locked up for another 2 years after this season on will be cheap contract once the cap rises again. Stephenson is from Brooklyn I think? And can return to play in his hometown.
LAC: Anthony and Porzingas
I'm almost positive Melo would waive his no trade clause to play with th Clippers. They cannot win a title the way they're currently constructed. They make a win now move to get Melo and hedge a little and take Porzingas for the future. He looks like he's gong to be a very good player, but who knows if he'll ever be as good as Blake.
22 Nov 2015 10:42:26
Knicks won't give up Porzingis he's a beast and the future of the Knicks.
22 Nov 2015 12:55:25
Six weeks ago I would have been more likely to say yes to this deal, and I don't want to get too caught up in Zingermania, but he just looks like too good a prospect to give him up with Melo and take back Stephenson with Griffin.
I keep Zinger and Melo.
23 Nov 2015 00:49:28
No way knicks give up porzingus and melo together. Either melo or porzingus for blake griffin. Porzingus is the most talked about player in the league right now. Go to nba. com he's #1 in mentions and lebron is 2nd.
21 Nov 2015 06:33:44
Celtics trade: Smart
Memphis trades: Conley
This Trade works with our trade-exep. Both sides are happy with that. Conley is a FA in 2016 and Memphis get a nice return - Celtics have the PG of the future.
Celtics trade: Thomas, Lee and Young + 2016 Mavs and Celtics Pick
Knicks trade: Melo
Conley - Bradley - Crowder - Melo -Sully
This Team is great.
+ 2016 Draft Pick from Nets - Trade? Simmons? Ingram?
+ Cap Space for a Max Contract
Contendor in 2016-2017.
21 Nov 2015 07:39:50
Lol problem is the Knicks have to agree, which they wouldn't.
21 Nov 2015 13:20:03
What would it take to get ryan anderson on the mavs.
21 Nov 2015 13:59:39
Where did that come from?
22 Nov 2015 05:53:56
Just imagine okafor an towns shipped for 4 first Felton harris Jenkins Villanova sala mesri seconds in return bring back Cavs 3rd string point guard with the dallas mavs would be beast 4seconds 19,20,21,22 don't fix what ain't broken huh it comes with bad season get ryan anderson behind Parsons or two first for pirzingous get ryan anderson for picks get david west for villanova still have 5 players, that shoot 3ssss 5 with anderson.
21 Nov 2015 05:25:02
Lac - nyk
Lac gets melo
Nyk gets b. griffin
Win-win both teams
Griffin is younger and still in prime but melo is still dropping points and can put lac over the top to win a chip this yr or next.
Knicks might need to add draft picks
Money might not add up but should be pretty close
I think lac needs a clutch player like melo
Knicks are still rebuilding and can attract free agents with melo gone
Let know know what you guys think
Feel free to add players to the deal
I'll summit it to Knicks front office asap lol.
21 Nov 2015 05:34:02
Clippers say no.. Knicks say yes
21 Nov 2015 05:56:39
Griffin has a lot more value than Melo in my opinion, so a straight swap doesn't work.
NYK: Griffin and Stephenson
LAC: Melo and Porzingas
20 Nov 2015 04:55:27
Knicks get :rose, noah,2016 1st round pick
Bulls get : melo, calderon
Rose is a injury risk
Noah is a back up center for bulls
Calderon can back up brooks
BUlls need a scorer like melo
And i think the money adds up
Knicks need to get melo far as possible from prozingus.
20 Nov 2015 13:26:23
Rose is injury risk and Noah is going to be a back up also. Then why in the world would Knicks do that?
20 Nov 2015 22:13:54
Terrible deal for the Knicks.
19 Nov 2015 02:56:04
Heat get Carmelo Anthony and Robin Lopez
Knicks get Hassan Whiteside, Justice Winslow, Brandon Jennings, Chris Anderson, and Josh McRoberts
Pistons get Luol Deng
Pf. C. Bosh/ U. Haslem
Sf. C. Anthony/ Josh Richardson
C. R. Lopez/ A. Stoudemire
Sg. D. Wade/ G. Green
Pg. G. Dragic/ B. Udrih
Pf. K. Porpinguz/ D. Williams
Sf. J. Winslow/ L. Thomas
C. H. Whiteside/ K. O'Quinn
Sg. A. Afflalo/ L. Galloway
Pg. B. Jennings/ J. Calderon
Pf. M. Morris/ E. Ilyasova
Sf. L. Deng/ S. Johnson
C. A. Drummond/ A. Baynes
Sg. KCP/ J. Meeks
Pg. R. Jackson/ S. Blake.
19 Nov 2015 09:17:10
I like for the Knicks.
19 Nov 2015 12:14:06
I hate it for the Knicks. White side is an expiring. Jennings was decent but not great before the injury. Also, an expiring. The rest is filers and justise Winslow. Ultimately this trade is the Knicks giving away Lopez and Melo for Winslow? How in the world is that a good Knicks trade? The Knicks would be best to see how the current team evolves.
19 Nov 2015 13:08:08
JB, U been doing long time to know salary don't match. 35 out, 27mil in try it on realgm.
Switch lopez for D. Will Seraphin and send Andersen detriot get back Sova.
19 Nov 2015 14:45:33
Pizza. why do u assume that Whiteside would leave the place that can pay him the most and give him a starting spot in a huge market.
19 Nov 2015 14:59:57
NOt a big fan of it form a Pistons stand point although it does stregthen the bench. Detroit is winning even with a weak bench. The return in December of Jennings should take care of that.
19 Nov 2015 15:16:13
^maybe a Whiteside extension would make this trade better.
19 Nov 2015 17:04:42
I don't assume that whiteside will leave. I assume that Porzingas is the Center of the future for the Knicks and whiteside will ultimately be a big contract for a not so necessary position. I would far prefer spending big money on a guard for the Knicks. Whiteside will be a max contract most likely, so what's the point of having the 3/4/5 all locked up when you still have an inferior guard tandem?
It just doesn't make sense.
20 Nov 2015 02:14:21
Porzingus is a PF.
20 Nov 2015 12:49:06
Oh really jbaby? 7'3. Still growing. Intentions of packing on 15-30 lbs. and among the best rim protectors already. He's a pf because he's so thin. The intentions are to get him to center. This is obvious.
Besides. Whiteside is overrated. He's not good at team defense. His team last year and this is better at defense when he is off the court because all he worries about are blocks
Good leaving the team develop as is.
18 Nov 2015 20:25:46
NYK - CHI - GSW
NYK get: Andrew Bogut, Harrison Barnes, and Derrick Rose
CHI get: Carmelo Anthony and Robin Lopez
GSW get: Joakim Noah (exp) and Nikola Mirotic
17 Nov 2015 23:33:02
Nyk get D. Rose
D. Rose/J. Grant
L. Galloway/S. Vujacic
C. Anthony/L. Thomas
K. Porzingis/D. Williams
R. Lopez/KK. Oquinn
Chi get T. Lawson, K. Seraphin, A. Afflalo and J. Calderon
T. Lawson/J. Calderon/K. Hinrich
A. Afflalo/T. Snell/E. Moore
J. Butler/D. McDermott
N. Mirotic/B. Portis
P. Gasol/J. Noah/K. Seraphin
Hou get T. Gibson, A. Brooks and M. Dunleavy + fututre pick from Nyk
P. Beverley/A. Brooks
J. Harden/M. Dunleavy/J. Terry
T. Ariza/C. Brewer/S. Dekker
T. Gibson/T. Jones
D. Howard/D. Motiejunas.
18 Nov 2015 00:12:20
Yeahhh, knicks want nothing to do with Rose. It has nothing to do with his off the court questions or his on the court production. That man is a season ending injury waiting to happen. With what, 2 years and 20 mill per year remaining? This would restrict the knicks from signing someone that can actually play the majority of a season.
No reason to do this, it would only impede the progress they have made so far.
18 Nov 2015 03:02:04
I think knicks would do it. I think it Makes more sense if Rockets get Rose bc they can preserve Rose in playoffs.
Rockets get Rose Brooks Seraphin D-Will
Bulls get Lawson Afflalo Calderon
Knicks get Beverly Brewer
Knicks get defense
rockets get final piece for championship
Bulls get healthy and deeper
Knicks sign Boozer Lucas and Sims
18 Nov 2015 03:48:57
You show the Rockets roster what about - Thornton and Capela.
17 Nov 2015 15:49:50
BOS get Demarcus Cousins and Joe Johnson
BKN get David Lee, Darren Collison, BOS 1st 2016, Tyler Zeller and Evan Turner
SAC get Brook Lopez, Jared Sullinger, Terry Rozier, BKN 2nd 2016 and BKN 1st 2016
17 Nov 2015 16:39:15
I'd say there's actually a lot of good logic going into this deal, only immediate issues I see are Boston wing depth, Brooklyn going a little too big and Sacramento wanting picks rather than talent.
17 Nov 2015 13:47:39
4 Team Blockbuster
MEM - NYK - CHI - MIN
MEM get: Pau Gasol, Ricky Rubio, Nikola Mirotic, Mike Dunleavy, and Jose Calderon
pf. P. Gasol/Barnes
c. M. Gasol/Wright
NYK get: Mike Conley (exp), Joakim Noah (exp), and Doug McDermott
CHI get: Carmelo Anthony, Gorgui Dieng, Kevin Martin, and Zach Randolph
MIN get: 2017 CHI 1st DP, 2016 MEM 1st DP, Jeff Green and Tony Snell
17 Nov 2015 16:10:24
I love that team SPAIN you made. lol.
17 Nov 2015 17:45:57
And Minnesota does this trade why?