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18 Apr 2021 00:06:39

NO:M turner+Barrett+H Barnes

Knicks: Fox

Indy: Siakam

Tor:1rnd pick knicks 2021+ 1rnd pick Dall 2021+ 1rnd pick Dall 2023+ 1rnd pick Indy 2023


SF:H Barnes

SF:Derozan (sign in free agency)


18 Apr 2021 04:29:38
What a freakin joke. All the kings get back is Ingram and Adams?

18 Apr 2021 05:06:14
Ingram and adams is better then fox and barnes.

18 Apr 2021 11:20:11
Ingram and Fox may be equal, in my mind. So the difference would be Adams and Barnes. So the balance of the deal depends on who you like better.

18 Apr 2021 12:18:22
NO can keep Adams. Kings will take Turner instead.

18 Apr 2021 12:36:56
knicks would be dumb to trade Barrett. They have enough picks and young players to get Fox directly from Sacremento without having to include Barrett.

18 Apr 2021 12:47:43
Tempting offer for Siakam.

18 Apr 2021 13:48:32
it would be tempting if toronto waa rebuilding, but i don't believe that is in the plans. if the raptors trade Siakam in the next year it would only be as part of the package for a better (ie true top 10) player.

18 Apr 2021 14:11:28
Just cut the Pels out. It’s horrible for them. Gasupo must have Pel hate issues with his latest let’s-steal-Ingram posts

18 Apr 2021 14:27:25
Ingram gets the edge on fox because there too many good points guards but there not a lot of good sf. That’s why fox can’t make an all star team.

18 Apr 2021 14:50:10
You think the kings get Ingram and turner for fox and Barnes add like 3 first round picks. like I value the Lakers but I never post one side trades where Lakers ain’t giving up enough. Like when I wanted Lakers getting Davis I said give up everything but kuz. And look what happened the Lakers actually over paid for Davis.

17 Apr 2021 10:08:02

NO:Herro+Dragic+1rnd pick Miami 2025 and 2027

Miami: Fox

17 Apr 2021 14:14:37
If I’m Miami, I prolly wouldn’t do Herro + Achiuwa + Dragic for Fox. They’re in a pretty good place with Oladipo and a chance to potentially sign Leonard either this or next year. I’d wait for that before making a big move.

17 Apr 2021 14:31:26
Dragic can not be traded since he is a pending UFA.

17 Apr 2021 15:55:49
Pelicans pass. They have enough late picks.

17 Apr 2021 19:24:14
Pass from Pels. don't like it for Miami either

17 Apr 2021 23:13:53
Why are you trading Fox and Ingram.

18 Apr 2021 13:58:22
actually Dragic is signed for next year on a team option, so Miami could trade him. not sure Sacramento would have an easy time creating the cap space to make it work. and not at all sure why they'd want to do that and give up Fox.

18 Apr 2021 14:54:39
Dragic not a ufa.

16 Apr 2021 09:27:49
On draft day


Indy:Haliburton+1rnd pick sac (9)

2)Indy-Orl (or Minny, if they fall to 4)

Indy: 4rth pick

Orl: 9+12+ 1rnd pick Indy 2022

draft: Mobley
sign: D Robinson

C:M turner/Bitadze
SF:D Robinson/Holiday

16 Apr 2021 13:53:22
Nobody is giving up top 4 picks in this year's draft. They are exceptional. Green Suggs Mobley or Cunningham.

16 Apr 2021 16:10:47
Kings do not have the cap space for the salary difference between Sabonis and Halliburton.

Would consider a Hield+#9 for Turner+#12 swap thou.

Also, seriously doubt Mobley falls out of the top 3 as Best Player Available. I can see Cunningham and Suggs going ahead of him, not Green or Kuminga.

16 Apr 2021 17:53:21
Brogdon on the bench?

16 Apr 2021 18:16:45
Pacers have to many sg fredman.

16 Apr 2021 20:33:21
And if Minnesota falls to 4 or later then GS gets the pick.

17 Apr 2021 14:34:30
shizzee, play LaVert at the SF. he is 6-6.

18 Apr 2021 03:25:17
66 is not enough to be a sf that’s a big shooting guard.

16 Apr 2021 08:55:03
NO: D Booker+CP3

Knicks: A Fox

Suns:Adams+Bledsoe+Toppin+ 1rnd pick Knicks 2021 and 2023+ 1rnd pick Clippers 2021+ 1rnd pick NO 2021 and 2023+ 1rnd pick 2024 Bucks

Sac:Ingram+ 1rnd pick Dal 2021 and 2023+ 1rnd pick Knicks 2025

16 Apr 2021 14:00:41
Knicks can pursue 5 quality pg this off season with unlimited cap space.

16 Apr 2021 16:13:17
Why would Phoenix break up a team with the 2nd best record in the league? It would be like Utah trading Mitchell and Gobert for future picks.

16 Apr 2021 19:02:09
Ball Lowry Conley CP3 Lowry borderline schroder. I'm not sure why anybody would disagree with my previous post.

16 Apr 2021 19:27:40
Way too much for fox. Only way Knicks do that if Leonard was signing too.

16 Apr 2021 21:48:44
Obviously we all know this kind of trade won't happen. As far as i know, Gasupo is just trying to make a deal and see the value of each player (sometimes)

16 Apr 2021 22:17:40
Only team that takes this is prolly Sacramento.
Phoenix is finally good, why rebuild again?
Knicks could go for Fox but not for Toppin + 6 firsts (I think that’s what they’re giving up here) . He’s worth max Toppin + 2-3 imo.
NO is prolly looking to trade Ingram for a backcourt star but I don’t think Booker will be available.
Sac takes this deal because Ingram is an upgrade over Fox imo or at least a lateral move and you get 3 firsts.

17 Apr 2021 03:09:52
Because you listed Lowry twice?

18 Apr 2021 03:26:45
Websjac I see the suns good but only see that for this year not next year.

14 Apr 2021 13:17:28
Grizzlies - Sabonis

Kings - Valanciunas

Pacers - Wright Bagley Clarke and 1st from Grizzlies (via Utah)




14 Apr 2021 18:21:58
Pacers need WAY more on this for Sabonis.

14 Apr 2021 23:11:21
Valanciunas in a wheel chair will still defend better than Bagley 1st from Kings to Pacers. Instead of pick I ask for clark and JJJ.

15 Apr 2021 12:59:00
Valanciunas is pretty underrated and on a great deal imo so I think grizzlies would be hesitant to give him up. They’ve got a good squad coming up and just need to be patient.
I also think Pacers rather give up Turner than Sabonis.
I could see a Turner for Whiteside and Hield or somethin.

15 Apr 2021 17:53:30
Pacers don't need 5 SG. they need more pf and centers to balance the lineup if they trade sabonis or turner.

14 Apr 2021 04:56:51
Atl gets-towns/hield
Wolves-bagley-reddish-Thad young-snell-Aminu. 2021 atl 1st pick 2023 1st pick. Sac 2021 1st pick

14 Apr 2021 13:32:11
Snell is a UFA.

No way Kings give up Hield, Bagley and a lottery pick for Capela and Gallinari.

14 Apr 2021 15:13:02
Fredman- why both are upgrades.

14 Apr 2021 16:49:20
Don’t put much stock into what Fredman says. Never posts any of his own and just shoots down others like a typical know it all. Said bulls couldn’t get vooch for two 1sts. History of nba shows many lobslided trades, he acts like they never happen.

14 Apr 2021 20:25:03
33 I agree to the max.

14 Apr 2021 22:25:29
Just like Hoops said this trade is lopsided, Shiller. No way I could agree to it.

Also, Hoops, I bet I was 10 times more right about trades not happening than on a couple that I may have gotten wrong. But I get it. Can only bring a horse to water, can't make him/ her/ it drink.

14 Apr 2021 23:14:50
Fredman there is reason why your team record is bad, they don't play defense. Gallo offensively better than Hield and Bagley. Bagley is slightly better than Toppin or Knox.

15 Apr 2021 13:04:24
As I said above, I don’t see Towns fit in Atlanta. Tbh I like Capela and think they could upgrade at SF before C.
Atlanta also doesn’t give up nearly enough in this proposal at least not to Min. More quantity than actual quality.
Same with Bulls, that doesn't get DLo.
Sac also says no, they prolly do Hield + Bagley for Capela and Galli if they’re getting a pick not giving up.
And Minnesota obviously says no.

13 Apr 2021 23:07:54
Magic/Mavericks/Knicks/Kings Magic Off-season

Kings get Gary Harris Mo Bamba Kevin Knox

Magic get Trey Burke Josh Richardson Dwight Powell 2021 first round pick.via Mavericks 2022 second round pick.via Mavericks 2024 second round pick

Knicks get Terrance Ross Michael Carter Williams

Mavericks get Buddy Hield

14 Apr 2021 13:40:09
lets see. Hield makes $22.2 next year. Harris (20.4), Bamba (7.5) and Knox (5.8) is a total of $33.3. Kings don't have $11 mil in cap space nor are the salaries within 125% + $100K.

14 Apr 2021 23:18:17
Knicks will take on Ross and MCW and anybody else you don't want Harris and take your bulls 1st. I don't know why you need cap space. Your not signing anybody and accept over paying for Fultz.

10 Apr 2021 16:00:52
Sac - Orl - Det

Sac get Ross & Grant


6th man: Ross

Orl get Hield & 2nd rd pick Det


Det get Bagley, Bamba & 1st rd pick Sac 2022 lottery protected


10 Apr 2021 15:44:16
Ross + Bamba does not get Orlando Hield and a second.

10 Apr 2021 16:23:43
Detroit don't want no bust bagley.

10 Apr 2021 18:12:08
I offered Randle Barrett Bamba for Grant plumlee bey. Knox to orl. Every crapped on me. Bagley and Hield is 1 way inconsistent offensive player and bamba are on Knox's value board. So how do the Kings get the 2 best players in that trade. Why would magic do that. Fredman, your a kings fan, why is he posting 1 sided trade for u.

10 Apr 2021 19:09:36
First off, Ross is far, far from the 2nd best player in this trade. Career 41.9 shooting percentage says non-efficent volume shooter. But he gets to put up a lot of shots in Orlando. Not very valuable on a team that would limit his shooting IMO.

Hields career numbers are significantly better than Ross even though Hield is having probably his worse season. Why trade low? And obviously MD wants to get him cheaply.

Grant's trade value is also tricky to measure becauae he gets to maximize his usage in Detroit. Pretty sure that usage gets curtailed in Sac with Fox and a developing Halliburton. Thus giving up the first seems like an overpay in Sac's GM's mind.

Now if it was Orlando giving up the first instead of Sac, then I would think the values would be right and support this move.

11 Apr 2021 14:59:47
Detroit says no by a mile. Grant is far better than two busts that are projects and a protected first. Detroit would want a young A caliber prospect + picks for him.
Orlando doesn’t really have the need to trade for Hield, however, they do have a tendency to pick up draft picks that didn't pan out, so maybe they make an offer for Bagley. Probably like a 2nd and Ross for him.

11 Apr 2021 23:04:36
Detroit don't want no bbb.
Busted bagley bamba.

05 Apr 2021 11:28:12
Magic/Kings/Mavericks NBA Draft & Off Season

Magic get Josh Green Dwight Powell

Kings get Gary Harris Mo Bamba

Mavericks get Buddy Hield 2024 second round pick.via Blazers from Kings

Magic get young shooting player & veteran power forward/center player in return

Dallas get veteran scoring shooting guard & second round pick

Kings get expiring contract shooting guard & young center

05 Apr 2021 15:14:55
ahhhh. No. If anything Magic giving up the pick not the Kings. Hield's contract is decreasing over time so it becomes more managable in the future. Much like Harrison Barnes deal.

May consider a Bagley-Bamba+pick swap, but that's about it.

06 Apr 2021 08:04:02
Mann no.

03 Apr 2021 08:00:11
Kings - Bamba

Spurs - Bagley

Magic - Walker

Can add a 2nd or two if needed to either side. All 3 can use a change of scenario




03 Apr 2021 12:36:56
Magic say no we have too many guards already.

03 Apr 2021 16:27:11
MD he’s a SG/ SF, which you can’t rly have enough of in today’s NBA. Porter is leaving after this year. Harris/ Hampton/ Okeke/ Ross are your only wings after this year. can't rly include Hampton since he’s more of a combo guard. Every team has 5-7 wings.

03 Apr 2021 17:45:21
I thought it was Kemba and I was like WTF, lol.

28 Mar 2021 22:04:25
Kings and Bulls trade:

Kings get Denzel Valentine

Bulls get DeAaron Fox, Harrison Barnes and Buddy Heild

29 Mar 2021 06:12:52
Nice trade. Kings may have to add a first though.

29 Mar 2021 10:36:08
NO NO NO! Not today!

29 Mar 2021 12:16:16
Bulls say no.

29 Mar 2021 12:55:27
Bulls can't do it unless they make more moves to dump salary. Wouldn't this put them over the tax threshold? Money numbers don't come close to matching for one.

29 Mar 2021 19:38:32
You're not getting the best player in the league for a few backups.

31 Mar 2021 03:46:50
The sarcasm in here is joyous to my hears! HAHA.

26 Mar 2021 20:51:26
Knicks Summer start now with 4yr 72mil for Drummond. He should get us 2nd round exit.

trade Knox to Kings for 48th
trade Toppin to Suns for 28th

sign Ball 4 yr 100mil
sign Burks Bullock Rose 3yr 21mil
Sign Bobby Portis mle 4yr 32mil


26 Mar 2021 22:28:59
$33 mil on bench guys on 4 bench guys. LOL.

BTW. Kings pass on Knox. Going to use 2nd on a shooting big in this draft.

26 Mar 2021 22:59:40
fredman Knox is good backup Sf on kings team who don't play defense.

26 Mar 2021 23:15:26
someone takes Knox for late 2nd.

26 Mar 2021 23:33:23
Don’t see suns wanting another PF, they have Crowder Johnson Saric and Jalen Smith.

27 Mar 2021 06:33:55
Kings spend 1st round pick on SF so no need for Knox.

27 Mar 2021 17:06:30
crowder Saric are their only pf Johnson is SF and Smith is Center.
Toppin is worth 28 pick. Just not a good fit in NY. Fredman, a strong bench is what it takes for a team to make the farther in the playoffs, something you might not understand. Kings haven't won a division in 20 years. You will never win anything if you don't play defense.

27 Mar 2021 17:43:45
In last 20 years, Knicks have won the Atlantic Division once while the Kings have won the Pacific Division twice. Not sure that speaks well of either team.

And if "a strong bench" is what makes teams better than Knox should stay in NY to keep the Knicks bench "strong". LOL! Your own point used against you.

27 Mar 2021 21:54:41
Suns don’t want another young foward. Johnson/ Saric are both combo fowards. Smith primary position is PF that can play center if needed. Suns are going to want young guards.

26 Mar 2021 12:18:00
I think Kings start Haliburton next year. Wright and Davis gives them a good backcourt bench. Can resign Davis pretty easily.

Tell me what you think Fredman

Kings - Turner
Knicks - Hield
Pacers - Toppin Ntilikina Ramsey and Dallas 2021 1st

- Kings get their center
- Knicks get the perfect shooter for RJ & Randle
- Pacers get last years top 10 pick and another 1sts

Kings draft Jalen Johnson F


26 Mar 2021 13:04:41
I don't think Indy does it. Hield added to a Brogdon-Lavert backcourt doesn't really work either.

Perhaps Hield for Capella makes a little more sense as I could see Atlanta interested in Hield if they resogn Collins and last years pick from USC develops (blankong on the name at the moment) .

26 Mar 2021 13:25:56
Sorry misread. Guess I am not fully awake. I don't think Toppin fits in Indy either (as well as the other pieces) .

26 Mar 2021 14:51:58
There is a reason why kings are winning with Haliburton in starting lineup. Hield is garbage when you newbie emphasis defense instead stats, you would know HIeld is overpaid by 15 mil. I rather have Burks and Bullock for a 3rd of the price than Hield. both equal shooters and but way better defenders. Ntilikina is fa. I rather trade Toppin for late 1st early 2nd than to trade him for Hield and his buck teeth.

26 Mar 2021 15:01:05
You think they will want a Trae/ Hield backcourt defensively?

26 Mar 2021 15:35:40
I switch Turner for Sabonis, if we can get a the kings 2021 pick.

26 Mar 2021 16:30:07
shizzee. It is not like Hield is not still in the starting lineup while the Kings have been winning. If anything, Kings winning is more of an indictment on Bagley (who is out with an injury) than Hield.

Also, Kings are playing a much easier schedule the second half of the season. Kings played the 2nd hardest first half of the season while they have the 3rd easiest second half. So there is still hope. Currently only 2 games out of the play-in games.

Also, kinda like the moves the Kings made at the trade deadline. Didn't blow anything up but traded away most of their "dead weight" and made the second unit much better. Kinda curious to see if Mo Harkless pushes Halliburton back to the bench once he learns the Kings plays/ defenses.

26 Mar 2021 16:55:12
Rather trade Toppin for a late 1st or early 2nd? Geez shizzee do you know value? Toppin can definitely be in a package to upgrade a position.

26 Mar 2021 18:37:06
@NBA16. Atlanta signed Gallinari and Bogdanovich on the off season. Does it sound like they are thinking about defense?

25 Mar 2021 03:46:45
Kings - Wright

Pistons - Joseph and 2 2nds

Just reported

25 Mar 2021 11:07:17
2021 second via Lakers and a 2024 second.

So not much value in the picks being given up.

Plus, Wright makes $3 mil less this year so Kings still have some space under the salary cap at the moment.

I haven't been impressed with Joseph's on the Kings second unit this year. Turned down too many wide open 3s. Plus, Kings need a little bit more of a punch on the second until with Bagley out.

23 Mar 2021 18:18:50
Off-season trade

If Minnesota land 2nd pick instead of 1st

Kings - Towns
Twolves - Haliburton Bagley Joseph 21 1st & 2 more protected future 1sts

Wolves draft Mobley at 2 and Barnes at 5



23 Mar 2021 19:16:10
King will probably pass if the trade requires Halliburton and 3 firsts. Kings have plenty of scoring with Fox Hield and Barnes so not sure a no defense center like KAT adds enough to give up Halli and 3 firsts.

Would probably only give that much up for Embiid or Jokic. And I woukd still have to think about it.

23 Mar 2021 21:52:48
Kings finally have a solid starting 5 and quality backup in Joseph. There is no reason the kings should trade anyone, especially not Barnes, since they will never land as good a player in free agency for 20mm. Bagley borderline bust but if nobody wants him might as well keep him and hope next year he finally performs. Joseph at 12 mm next year is only one that would make any sense if wanted more financial flexibility. Laughable people suggest they trade Halliburton when he will be rookie of the year and is dirt cheap for what he brings to team. If Atlanta wants to get rid of Collins for bagley and a future first sure, otherwise they should stand pat, and team should make playoffs worst case next year.

23 Mar 2021 21:53:27
2 of the firsts are protected and can be conveyed into 2nds. If they do convey it’ll be picks outside the lottery. ThT would require making the playoffs. If they do then Towns was worth it. If not then Towns > Hali, S. Barnes and 2nds.

23 Mar 2021 23:11:39
Jelly donut Duke players Bagley and Town are softest duke players since reddick.

24 Mar 2021 01:36:01
Fredman look at the PG deal and I’d argue Towns isn’t far off despite the fact he’s played for one of the worst organizations. I think that’s reasonable compensation, but I still think the Twolves are better to keep a core of Beasley, Towns and Edwards and move Russell.

24 Mar 2021 10:37:55
Web, is the Klaw signing with Sacramento if we trade for
Towns? The Clippers overpaid for PG13 because they were getting Kawhi as well. Towns.

24 Mar 2021 15:20:16
What stars have y’all developed from the draft other than Fox? No guarantee any of those future picks succeed in Sac. Towns > Hali.

23 Mar 2021 16:36:58
I’ll call this a blockbuster.
ATL gets Bagley, Hield, Haliburton
SAC. gets Collins, Bogdanovic, Rondo and 2023 first (better of OKC or ATL)

To me, this makes sense for both teams. Atl gets a modest downgrade at PF (and for another year) . but gets their running mate for Trae, and the back-up point they need. SAC gets their young, star, PF of the future, a SG that works there, and a replacement but aging back-up PG plus a decent (probably not lotto) first round pick.

23 Mar 2021 16:54:44
This is a huge no from the Kings.

23 Mar 2021 17:15:43
I call it a big dream. Bogdan is not coming back to Sac.

And you keep Rondo and we keep Halliburton.

23 Mar 2021 23:14:35
outside Haliburton and Holmes. All Kings have negative value despite there statically number bc of defense.

24 Mar 2021 01:38:37
Kings should keep Haliburton and try to make a deal of Hield + Bagley + a future first for Collins and Bogi.

24 Mar 2021 10:39:09
Quite possibly the dumbest idea, Websjac.

23 Mar 2021 10:47:56

Sacramento receives: Monk, Biyombo, CHA '21 1st rd pick (top 14 protected in '21, top 12 in '22, top 10 in '23, turns into two 2nd's after that)

Charlotte receives: Bagley, Whiteside, SAC '21 2nd rd pick

Trade would also work with just Bagley / Monk / picks because CHA has ~$4m cap space.

SAC gets a decent first rd pick for Bagley and gets a look at Monk (RFA after this season). If SAC trades Hield to focus on the Fox + Haliburton backcourt / long-term plan, Monk could fit in a 6th man role.

CHA has reportedly been looking for frontcourt help, and Bagley could be a long-term fit with LaMelo Ball if he can improve his defense. Whiteside and the 2nd rd pick help balance the value a bit. Hopefully I'm not too far off on Monk's value - I don't think CHA will want to pay him this summer.

23 Mar 2021 15:06:04
Values aren't quite right.



Then the 2 seconds = Charlotte's protected first.

So why are the Kings adding a 2021 second to the deal?

23 Mar 2021 16:55:12

24 Mar 2021 01:43:22
@Fredman you’re quite laughable really.
White side reportably will fetch a first, while Biyombo has zero value. And a first does not equal a second.
Monk is a significant upgrade over Bagley without a second being added. Any GM would pick Monk over Bagley any day.
And two seconds rarely equals a first, so idk wtf u smoke.

23 Mar 2021 00:43:03
A Lakers revamp team

Lakers - Bagley & Whiteside
Kings - Harrell and THT

- Whiteside gives Lakers much needed rebounding and would get PT. Bagley gets change of scenario and fills in for AD
- Kings a center they'll love to have after Holmes enters FA. They can also afford THT.

Lakers - White
Spurs - Kuzma

- Lakers get theirs 6th man that can fit a lot better with the team
- Spurs need a future PF to replace LA

Lakers - Looney
Warriors - Gasol & 2nd

- Lakers get more depth at PF
- Warriors get true big bodied center that can bang down low & fit the offense


23 Mar 2021 04:51:48
Valuewise, all are considerably good but personally, I will only do the 3rd trade as a Lakers fan. Kuzma is showing some effort defensively and has been playing well lately. He is cheaper than White too. From what I've heard from Fredman and BMiller, Whiteside is terrible and only desperation will force the Lakers to trade for him.

23 Mar 2021 06:57:20
Harrell > Bagley. Until you value defense and winning more than stats you never understand fair value.

23 Mar 2021 15:14:09
Actually, Whiteside is not "terrible" depending on how you use him. Is he a starting center playing 35+ mins? Heck no. But as a back up center playing two 6-8 min stretches, Whiteside is fairly effective especially on the defensive end and rim running on the offensive end.

23 Mar 2021 15:20:52
Whiteside would be a great player to fill that Dwight Howard roll the Lakers miss. Great rebounding and rim protection.

22 Mar 2021 22:28:51
Assuming that the Kings can get the following draft capital for players.

2023 second from Lakers for Whiteside
2021 second from NY via Philly for Bjelica
2021 first from Toronto for Holmes

Then the Kings send all this draft capital to Houston along with Bagley + Joseph (partial guaranteed next year) + Parker (expiring) for Gordon + Wood.

Fox/ Halliburton

If Houston is serious about trying to dump Gordon's future salary. Plus, Wood is a perfect match to build around Fox and Halliburton.

23 Mar 2021 06:58:45
Rivers for Bjelica.

22 Mar 2021 21:59:14
The Sacramento Kings have made the No. 2 pick in the 2018 NBA draft available for a trade, with the Kings recently being turned down by the Detroit Pistons, having offered Bagley III for promising rookie Saddiq Bey, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

23 Mar 2021 07:00:28
Bagley is defensively top 5 worst defenders at his position.

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