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14 Apr 2021 17:14:15
Minn-capela-Colby white-Aminu 2021 and 2023 1st round picks Atl

Starting five trae-bog-hunter-gallanari-towns. Resign Lou for bench to go along with okongwa and huerter. Don't see Collins resigning.

Bulls add some wing depth and defensive pg off bench. Sign lonzo as free agent pg. starting five- lonzo-lavine-reddish-pat will-vooch. Bench- Dunn sato-Thad young culver-theis

Wolves blow it up. Look to trade Russell also elsewhere. Hope to land in top 3 dis year so they keep pick along wit hawks pick. Build around Edwards and could use capella and white down road as trade peices

14 Apr 2021 23:47:20
Trae can’t stop ball and towns can’t defend rim. I think capela is perfect center for hawks.

15 Apr 2021 12:54:04
I don’t see Atlanta as a fit for Towns. I think they should go after Malik Beasley from TWolves for like Reddish and a first.

14 Apr 2021 04:56:51
Atl gets-towns/hield
Wolves-bagley-reddish-Thad young-snell-Aminu. 2021 atl 1st pick 2023 1st pick. Sac 2021 1st pick

14 Apr 2021 13:32:11
Snell is a UFA.

No way Kings give up Hield, Bagley and a lottery pick for Capela and Gallinari.

14 Apr 2021 15:13:02
Fredman- why both are upgrades.

14 Apr 2021 16:49:20
Don’t put much stock into what Fredman says. Never posts any of his own and just shoots down others like a typical know it all. Said bulls couldn’t get vooch for two 1sts. History of nba shows many lobslided trades, he acts like they never happen.

14 Apr 2021 20:25:03
33 I agree to the max.

14 Apr 2021 22:25:29
Just like Hoops said this trade is lopsided, Shiller. No way I could agree to it.

Also, Hoops, I bet I was 10 times more right about trades not happening than on a couple that I may have gotten wrong. But I get it. Can only bring a horse to water, can't make him/ her/ it drink.

14 Apr 2021 23:14:50
Fredman there is reason why your team record is bad, they don't play defense. Gallo offensively better than Hield and Bagley. Bagley is slightly better than Toppin or Knox.

15 Apr 2021 13:04:24
As I said above, I don’t see Towns fit in Atlanta. Tbh I like Capela and think they could upgrade at SF before C.
Atlanta also doesn’t give up nearly enough in this proposal at least not to Min. More quantity than actual quality.
Same with Bulls, that doesn't get DLo.
Sac also says no, they prolly do Hield + Bagley for Capela and Galli if they’re getting a pick not giving up.
And Minnesota obviously says no.

08 Apr 2021 13:06:20
Minnesota - Atlanta

Minny receives John Collins max s&t

Atlanta receives Malik Beasley, Juan Hernangomez & unprotected 1st round pick

08 Apr 2021 16:36:10
So Minnesota goes over the Luxury tax line for a team that will be struggling to make the playoffs. Receipt for getting a GM fired.

08 Apr 2021 22:39:32
Way too much for the right to over pay Collins. Even signing him out right to the max is an upside play.

06 Apr 2021 04:00:56
Knicks get Turner Lavert Winslow-released
Pacers get Randle Knox Toppin
Grizzlies get Lamb

DeRozan 4yr 110mil

This team is a top 4 seed


How do u replace Randle production?

J.Collin 4yr 140mil Hawks won't match
Z.Collin 4yr 60mil neither will Blazers
Burks Rose and Bullock 3yr 21 mil

Knicks trade both 16 and 20 for Davion Mitchell-

Starters all under 25


06 Apr 2021 16:25:01
Not sure Collins for that price is smart.

06 Apr 2021 20:43:05
Collins turned down 90 mil, rumors have it he doesn't want to be there. 130 mil might have to be the magic #, +/ - 10 mil.

07 Apr 2021 09:52:09
I think we could get the two Dallas picks if we trade Lavert and turner for Randle/ toppin and Knox.

07 Apr 2021 15:34:26
Randle is better than Lavert and Turner.

07 Apr 2021 20:35:19
I’d take Alavert over Randle but I like the idea overall

08 Apr 2021 03:37:26
So of course, Shizzee's numbers are off. Collins can only sign for 25% max of salary cap within his first year and a 5% raises over the next 3 years so

Year 1: $28.6
Year 2: $30.0
Year 3: $31.5
Year 4: $33.1

Total 4yr/ $123.2 mil is the Max that John Collins can sign with another team.

Of course, Atlanta can sign him for more (25% max with 8% raises) to include a 5th year.

23 Mar 2021 16:36:58
I’ll call this a blockbuster.
ATL gets Bagley, Hield, Haliburton
SAC. gets Collins, Bogdanovic, Rondo and 2023 first (better of OKC or ATL)

To me, this makes sense for both teams. Atl gets a modest downgrade at PF (and for another year) . but gets their running mate for Trae, and the back-up point they need. SAC gets their young, star, PF of the future, a SG that works there, and a replacement but aging back-up PG plus a decent (probably not lotto) first round pick.

23 Mar 2021 16:54:44
This is a huge no from the Kings.

23 Mar 2021 17:15:43
I call it a big dream. Bogdan is not coming back to Sac.

And you keep Rondo and we keep Halliburton.

23 Mar 2021 23:14:35
outside Haliburton and Holmes. All Kings have negative value despite there statically number bc of defense.

24 Mar 2021 01:38:37
Kings should keep Haliburton and try to make a deal of Hield + Bagley + a future first for Collins and Bogi.

24 Mar 2021 10:39:09
Quite possibly the dumbest idea, Websjac.

23 Mar 2021 04:33:05
ATL gets Victor Oladipo (exp)
GS gets Bogdan Bogdanovic
HOU gets Kelly Oubre (exp), Cam Reddish, 2nd round pick GS

All players involve are rumored to get traded. Hawks are a dark horse in the east if they can get it together. Dipo gives Trae young a 2-way backcourt partner. Bogi seems like a failed signing for them, Warriors want him. They just gave an expiring contract to get him. Rockets get 2 quality guys to fill in their roster.

23 Mar 2021 13:58:20
Not a bad trade but I would not do it if I were the Hawks. Steep price to pay for a rental. I would rather work a trade for Buddy Hield. Same age and 4 years on contract just like Bogi.

23 Mar 2021 15:09:05
Hawks on a 9 game winning streak. Why break up the band?

21 Mar 2021 07:20:40

Blazers get Aaron Gordon Gary Clark James Ennis III Dwayne Bacon

Sixers get Evan Fournier

Magic get Danny Green Anfernee Simons Nassir Little Derrick Jones Jr Zach Collins 2021 first round pick(unprotected).via Sixers 2022 second round pick.via Blazers 2024 second round pick.via Hawks from Blazers

Anfernee Simons & Nassir Little from Orlando Florida bring them back home

They both went to High Schools in Orlando

21 Mar 2021 12:12:22
green >= Fournier

Z. Collins => Gordon

picks are going to wrong way. Stop posting.

21 Mar 2021 05:27:41

Clippers get JJ Redick George Hill Wenyen Gabriel

Pelicans get Patrick Beverley Patrick Patterson 2024 second round pick.via Clippers 2024 second round pick.via Pistons from Clippers

Thunder get Lou Williams 2022 second round pick.via Hawks from Clippers

21 Mar 2021 04:12:37

Clippers get Lonzo Ball JJ Redick Aron Bayne

Pelicans get Patrick Beverley Lou Williams Patrick Patterson 2021 first round pick(unprotected).via Raptors 2023 second round pick.via Raptors 2022 second round pick.via Hawks from Clippers 2023 second round pick.via Raptors 2024 second round pick.via Pistons from Clippers

Raptors get Ivica Zubac

21 Mar 2021 13:43:38
raptors giving a 1st plus for Zubac? share whatever you're smoking dude.

20 Mar 2021 21:10:34
If KP wants to do something new, Mavs could offer:

Hawks - KP
Mavs - Turner, Collins
Pacers - Gallinari

Afterwards Mavs could try Beal for Brunson, Green and all the picks.

21 Mar 2021 03:36:18
I think Mavs get too much while Pacers don’t get enough.

21 Mar 2021 04:14:06
finally a respect trade. but hawks said they are not moving collin in the next 4 days.

21 Mar 2021 04:43:11
Too much for an injury prone guy. Collins alone is considerably at least as valuable as Porzingis.

19 Mar 2021 22:28:52

Clippers get Rajon Rondo

Hawks get Lou Williams 2024 second round pick.via Pistons from Clippers

Point guard for Point guard

Clippers got to their legend playmaker of Rajon Rondo

Hawks got to two guard scorer of Lou Williams + good second round pick from Pistons

19 Mar 2021 19:54:14

Clippers get Lonzo Ball Nemanja Bjelica

Kings get Lou Williams Patrick Patterson Wenyen Gabriel Reggie Jackson Daniel Oturu

Pelicans get Cory Joseph Terance Mann Mfiondu Kabengele 2021 second round pick.via Lakers from Kings 2021 second round pick.via Memphis from Kings 2022 second round pick.via Hawks from Clippers 2024 second round pick.via Clippers

Kings can flip Wenyen Gabriel Reggie Jackson Patrick Patterson for second round picks

Clippers got to a lot better

Clippers should keep Patrick Beverley all cost he is a key off the bench

Pelicans get their salary filler + young players can be good + high quality second round picks in return

19 Mar 2021 22:04:51
Trade puts Kings over the salary cap and takes away financial bonuses that comes with being under the cap at the end of the year as Kings have to waive 2 players on current roster to complete the trade (Parker and Whiteside? ) . $8 mil in waived salary + $5 mil in incoming salary.

not sure Gabriel, Jackson or Patterson gets the Kings any picks. They were last second vet min signings and have done nothing to improve their trade value.

Although I would love to add Oturu for a (late) second rounder, I just don't think Lou Williams is worth all that to the Kings.

20 Mar 2021 01:02:41
Yeah Genius, the Pelicans need tons of second round picks when they have tons of picks already

Stick to lemonade stands.

20 Mar 2021 14:55:57
I'm pretty confident that the Pels, if they decide to move Ball, can get more for him than anything the Clippers could possibly offer outside of gutting the rotation.

21 Mar 2021 04:16:06
Dac 🤣🤣.

19 Mar 2021 08:35:11

Blazers get Aaron Gordon Dwayne Bacon Michael Carter Williams

Magic get Zach Collins Rodney Hood Anfernee Simons Terrance Ferguson Mike Scott 2022 second round pick.via Blazers 2024 second round pick.via Hawks from Blazers

76ers get Al-Farouq Aminu Gary Clark 2022 second round pick.via Pacers from Magic

Magic got to couple veterans and young players and draft picks in return also cap space relief & salary filler

Sixers taking veterans players with draft pick

Blazers got to better with players they need so far

18 Mar 2021 00:13:23

Clippers get George Hill Josh Jackson 2023 second round pick.via Wizards from Thunder

Thunder get Lou Williams Reggie Jackson Daniel Oturu

Pistons get Patrick Patterson 2022 second round pick.via Hawks from Clippers 2024 second round pick.via Pistons from Clippers

Thunder going to send Daniel Oturu to G-League let him develops his games

18 Mar 2021 13:11:41
Kings would throw a very late 2nd (Lakers) at OKC for Oturu.

20 Mar 2021 14:21:42
Okc could get Williams and Oturo for Hill straight up. It’s pretty much the only way financially Hill ends up on the Clippers without Okc taking on extra $$$ for no reason.
The Might even be able to squeeze a 2nd out of them since Williams would never actually board a plane and suit up for Okc anyway.
Why would Okc take Reggie Jackson so that the Clippers could get Josh Jackson? There’s no incentive or return that would compel them to take on RG’s salary for nothing.
Okc doesn’t want Reggie Jackson back. He was a horrible locker room guy when he played for them the 1st time.

16 Mar 2021 14:54:08

Pelicans get Patrick Beverley Danny Green Furkan Korkmaz 2021 first round pick(unprotected).via Sixers 2022 second round pick.via Hawks from Clippers 2024 second round pick.via Pistons from Clippers

Clippers get Lonzo Ball Matisse Thybulle

76ers get Lou Williams JJ Redick Terance Mann 2024 second round pick.via Clippers

Clippers sign DeMarcus Cousins 2 yrs 10 million dollars

Clippers release Patrick Patterson

16 Mar 2021 19:42:09
sixers aren't giving up Thybulle, korkmaz (both have been playing tremendous of late), Green and a qst rd pick for that return. Ball would need to go to philly instead of Redick.

16 Mar 2021 06:14:32

Magic get John Collins Tony Snell

Hawks get Aaron Gordon Gary Clark 2022 first round pick(Top 5 protected).via Magic 2022 second round pick.via Pacers from Magic

16 Mar 2021 14:29:40
Replace the seconds with another first and I think both teams do it.

16 Mar 2021 17:10:16
Not crazy about the trade as it stands. I’ll propose a counter offer:
Magic Get: Collins, Snell and Fernando
Hawks Get: Gordon, Cole, Mamba and 2022 first round pick (Top 2 protected), if not conveyed becomes unprotected in 2023.

16 Mar 2021 19:24:26
Not going to happen.

16 Mar 2021 05:16:03

Blazers get Aaron Gordon Gary Clark

Magic get Derrick Jones Jr Zach Collins CJ Elleby 2025 first round pick(unprotected).via Blazers 2024 second round pick.via Hawks from Blazers

Magic release James Ennis III

Zach Collins has been injured & doesn't have any value

Blazers want to keep Robert Covington Gary Trent Jr Anfernee Simons Harry Giles Nassir Little

Blazers wouldn't mind giving up Zach Collins Derrick Jones Jr CJ Elleby and draft picks

16 Mar 2021 13:42:00
Portland doesn’t have a first to trade. The trade that makes sense to me is Hood, Collins, and Little for Gordon. Maybe throw in a second too.

15 Mar 2021 17:59:27

Phoenix to acquire:Collins,Hill

Atlanta to acquire:Saric,Miller 1nd pick 2021 and 2nd pick 2022 Phoenix

Oklahoma to acquire:Snell,Carter

Phoenix sign Cousins

Paul /Hill
Booker /Moore
Ayton /Cousins

15 Mar 2021 19:37:08
Don't see any reason for OKC to do this, and Atlanta is looking to compete, not collect picks. They want a nice ready now player for Collins, or hold him for a sign and trade in the summer.

16 Mar 2021 02:28:16
Really Suns are only team that benefit from this trade.

15 Mar 2021 15:57:25
Atl- Towns
Minn- collins-Otto porter- 2021-2023-2025 bulls 1st. 2021 atl 1st


15 Mar 2021 16:16:51
And before we got to hear fredmans big mouth this a total rebuild for minn. Can also find a team for deangelo Russell to Mayb get a few more picks. With Collins being a RFA they would b able to match the biggest deal he receives if they chose to build around him and edwards.

15 Mar 2021 17:17:06
Capella, Culver and Reddish are worth 3 firsts?

Also not sure KAT gets Minny Collins + 4 firsts?

Both seem like an overpayment by Chicago and Atlanta.

15 Mar 2021 18:24:11
If KAT could play defense it might be worthwhile for Atlanta, but giving 3 rotation guys and a 1st is a lot for a center.

15 Mar 2021 19:54:10
This also seems like a trade between Minny and Atlanta with Chicago just trying to muscle their way into it. Pretty sure Minny will need Capella to play minutes at the 5.

15 Mar 2021 14:46:19
I feel that G.S title window is close. So of their big 3, one has to get traded in order to prepare for the future. I would pick Klay as the star to be traded. Not because of the injury but so that he can lead a team and reach his full potential while at the tail end of his prime.....G.S already has a top 5 pick coming, thanks Minny, Wiseman.....Here's my proposal:

G.S gets Reddish, Huerter, Collins and a 1st
Atlanta gets Klay and salary fillers.

For G.S, that's a good way to build for the future while competing at a high level. Atlanta has too much talent which is stunting the development of some of those young players. Thoughts????

15 Mar 2021 16:01:44
I don't think Atlanta should trade for a 31 year old with an injury history.
Klay is propably comming back and still good, but he doesn't fit their timeline.
I do like this trade for GS

It's not going to happen, but they should trade Curry, when they decide to blow it up. He still has the most value and he shouln't play for a rebuilding team.

15 Mar 2021 16:08:10
I disagree with your first sentence, and the disagreement trickles down from there.

I also can’t see anyone giving up half that for a guy that hasn’t played in two years.

15 Mar 2021 18:38:02
"Atlanta gets Klay and salary fillers. "
You're not very good at math. Atlanta's 3 players combined are still $20.7 M shy of Thompson's 35M salary. `Atlanta would need to include about 15M more salary going to GSW, and would leave the Warriors having to waive 3 players but still pay the luxury tax on guys not on the roster.

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