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19 Jun 2020 19:00:13
Golden State trades Wiggins

Philly trades Horford + 2021 first draft swap.

Fredman

1.) 19 Jun 2020 21:43:34
value seems there. Both better fits.


2.) 19 Jun 2020 22:44:06
Good trade. I think Horford will be worth it for championship seeking Warriors while Wiggins might mesh well with Embiid.


3.) 19 Jun 2020 23:18:38
I dunno - if you have Simmons, Wiggins, and Embiid on the court at the same time, the other two had better be great shooters. Also Horford / Green both need some of the offense to go through them to be most effective. Having Draymond play off the ball more often isn't great.


4.) 20 Jun 2020 04:01:46
Not a good trade. Wiggins has a bad contract but he is younger and healtier than Horford. Gsw don't need bigs on a huge contract. They need a big on a small contract.


 

 

15 Jun 2020 18:04:00
Here you go USA. Assuming luxury cap next year drops down $125 mil (20-21).

Philly trades Horford, a conveyed 2020 first from OKC, unprotected 2022 first

To

Charlotte or Detroit (take your pick) for a top 55 protected 2nd rounder (have to trade something per CBA)

Why? Unloading Horford will get Philly just under the luxury tax. Rest of the roster can be filled out with the 4 second round selections at the minimum. Just can't see the owners being okay with Horford costing them $50+ mil (salary+tax) next year.

Charlotte and Detroit (leaning towards Detroit) both are in a rebuild mode with young players who Horford can mentor. Both teams will also need Horford to eat up minutes at the Center position until a young prospect can be drafted and developed.

Fredman

1.) 15 Jun 2020 19:52:30
Makes sense but i suggest to have some protection on the 22 1st.


2.) 15 Jun 2020 21:20:03
Disagree USA. Technically, I think Detroit/ Charlotte can ask for 3 firsts for Horford. Late firsts in salary dumps usually go for $18-$20 mil in salary (see Iggy's trade to Memphis as an example) . So 3 for each year left of Horford's deal. So Detroit/ Charlotte gives up on first in order for 2022 pick be unprotected.


 

 

09 Jun 2020 05:26:43
JoeB, any chance Kings can package their 3 seconds (35, 42 + 54) for Boston's 30 and their second (46)?

Boston has a ton of players already under contract for next season and 3 more guaranteed deals does not make a lot of sense.

There is a guy I am very interested in the Kings getting in the second round. I just have no idea where in the second round he might land so moving up to 30 may make sense. Would be frustrated if he was selected before Kings #35 pick.

Fredman

1.) 09 Jun 2020 08:48:37
I don't know really. You are right when you say we already have too many players under contract next season, but they could draft a "stashable" player or two.
Not sure it makes sensw for Ainge to do this. I'm sure he'd rather have less picks than more.


2.) 09 Jun 2020 11:40:18
Easier to put second rounders in the G-League because thwy are not guarenteed contracts.


3.) 09 Jun 2020 16:45:08
That is true Fredman, but i just don't think that Ainge cares about that, to be honest. If he drafts stashable players to play in Europe or wherever, they don't have to worry about the G league.


4.) 09 Jun 2020 22:14:57
Okay. Guess I need the Lakers pick at #29 then.


5.) 13 Jun 2020 17:54:00
who is the player?


 

 

06 Feb 2020 19:10:57
Surprised that the Mavs didn't jump in on Drummond when it appeared that expiring deals and a second rounder was enough for Detroit.

Lee+Powell+GSW 2nd.

Fredman

1.) 06 Feb 2020 20:14:22
Just got WCS.


2.) 06 Feb 2020 20:20:47
Powell not expiring.


3.) 06 Feb 2020 20:29:01
ddrainer is having nervouse breakdown. Zll yr propose expiring and 2nd and we all mocked him. Now the Cavs are all over over it.


4.) 06 Feb 2020 22:16:06
Curious to see how the opt in/ out, FA period goes for Drummond.


5.) 07 Feb 2020 11:05:15
The most poster? s here are neigther real hoopers nor NBA hardened. Anyway Drummond is a chance and a risk, since he has a player option of 29m next year. I learned Mavs have two reasons not to try out on him.
- Beal may be available for a fair offer in the summer and would perfectly fit @Mavs.
- You can see what a real Center like WCS immediatelly can provide on the defense side but you also the offense side becomes stack or that funny flow goes a bit lost. So I think beside Beal Mavs will have a look on Turner next years and what you can learn from Mavs as well ist patience.
Mavs will have 4 young player after this years draft and 2 1st availalbe to improve and if we seen till a year is gone Beal and / or Turner @DAL it will pretty nice. So we may figure out some nice probosals on that.

Finalley I would have like the try on MKG if the Hornets would have agreed to send him for Lee - but not for a pick.


6.) 07 Feb 2020 16:04:23
I guess what I am trying to say is that Dallas coukd have gotten Drummond instead of WCS with that same 2nd round draft pick.


 

 

06 Feb 2020 13:02:01
Whiteside buyout and signing with Houston?

Fredman

1.) 06 Feb 2020 13:26:08
I can see Portland doing this to get under the tax line, but that would mean Whiteside giving back 6 M of the 10M he's owed through the rest of the season. He won't recover that signing with Houston. so. how badly does Whiteside want to play and compete in the playoffs?
On the other hand, if Portland doesn't make the playoffs they may pay more and take some savings.


2.) 06 Feb 2020 14:09:22
Buyouts don't directly impact salary caps. The resigned salary is removed from old teams salary cap. That's about it. Buyouts only save actual cash and create roster spots.


3.) 06 Feb 2020 15:17:57
Fredman. I thought that if Whiteside settles for a buyout that is lower than the salary owed, then the savings on what's owed would come off the cap. ie only what's been paid so far this season plus the buyout would count against the cap, but any money Whiteside gave back wouldn't.


4.) 06 Feb 2020 16:44:00
Windrap. Na, it doesn't quite work like that. For example, if Whiteside takes a buyout for $30K less and then resigns this season with Houston for $1 mil. The $1 mil comes off Portland's salary cap (and any luxury tax calculations) while Portland saves $30k in actual salary payments. So its a win-win. Player makes an additional $970K this season while the team benefits with less actual payments and getting below the luxury tax line (or lowering the amount in luxury tax that they pay) .

Which was such a surprise that Iggy didn't get bought out this season.


 

 

 

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26 Jun 2020 23:43:44
For determining 8th and 9th seed in West. The 2 games between New Orleans and Sacramento will tell alot. If one team sweeps the other, then they are probably making the play-in games.

Not worried about Suns, Spurs and Wizards. To me, Portland is the dark horse depending on Nurkic and Collins minutes without Ariza.

Fredman

1.) 27 Jun 2020 10:56:41
I agree with the first thing you said but I’d say Portland is not really a dark horse because they have lots of playoff experience and have dame, who is more capable than someone inexperienced like zion, to help the blazers get to the playoffs.


2.) 27 Jun 2020 17:28:37
The reason Portland is my dark horse is because a couple of things make me question their motivation: Dame's comments about a "fair chance" and the fact that Portland voted against this format. Especially against three teams (Memphis New Orleans and Sacramento) that are hungry to make the playoffs.


3.) 28 Jun 2020 20:47:08
Blazers have lots of second round exit experience.


 

 

16 Jun 2020 16:10:48
Kings "top 3" selections at #12

Isaac Okoro (if he falls like Little did)
Aaron Nesmith (if his foot clears medical)
Devin Vassell.

Fredman

1.) 16 Jun 2020 23:14:28
Vassell.


 

 

15 Jun 2020 13:57:39
I guess the Kings getting Pokusesvki in the early second round is a pipe dream.

Been seeing him in a lot of projections for teams to "stash" in the late first round.

Fredman

1.) 15 Jun 2020 15:42:26
I’ve felt the same way about Bey for Portland for their first. Feels like he’ll be gone by then, but I like him a lot. Those guys that grow up as PGs then have huge growth spurts late always seems to end up good.


2.) 15 Jun 2020 21:27:07
If Bey gets by the Kings I think you are good. Neismith is who we will probably get unless Oturu falls (like Little last year? ) to us at #12.


3.) 15 Jun 2020 22:06:38
Neismith is the other guy a lot of Blazer fans want. Best wing available has to be the mentality for them. Maybe a big if they think a star dropped in their laps.

Hampton feels like a Olshey guy too. He LOVES those elite prospects that drop. Simons and Little are his last two picks. Skal, Cliff Alexander, Barton.

I think I’ve convinced myself that Hampton will be a Blazer.


4.) 16 Jun 2020 00:11:12
So do the blazers "tank" the final 8 to move up ahead of like 3-4 teams in the draft?


5.) 16 Jun 2020 05:18:06
Lillard can’t, it’s not his way. I also would rather see Collins and Nurkic get into rhythm than get a better pick. (That implies that the best way to “tank” is to get Whiteside as many minutes as possible) .

My dream is those two come back, play as good as I think they can. Then Denver goes on a tear and takes the 1 seed. Portland/ Denver rematch would be an insane first round 1vs8 matchup.


6.) 16 Jun 2020 17:52:52
Just saw a mock draft with Pokusesvki taken at #11 by the Spurs.

Also, not sure if Okoro passes the Spurs at #11 as well. Klaw 2.0?


7.) 16 Jun 2020 18:29:19
It feels like the Spurs are going to hit a star this year. It’s just what they do. Whoever they select is my pick for ROY.


8.) 17 Jun 2020 05:02:33
Depends on minutes. Pop doesn't play rookies.


9.) 19 Jun 2020 04:33:30
He played Duncan.


 

 

15 May 2020 01:22:23
I am really curious how the NBA is going to work this years lost revenue (from the virus stopage and lost China TV revenues) .

Silver said $300M in revenue was lost with China TV. That is roughly $5M per team (cap space) . A drop from $115M next year to $110M.

If the season ended with no other gamss played, the NBA will have lost around 50% of their revenue (especially considering no playoff and championship games) . Could this really drop the cap down by 50%? From $110M to $55M? All the max salary players would then be making 50% less as well?

Hmmm. Seems like a good motivation for all the All-Stars to want to finish this season and get revenures as high as possible.

Fredman

1.) 15 May 2020 04:32:34
If the NBA lose so does the players. no need to try to get back that money just keep going and take as lose. That may cause a lock out and more loses. The government should fix the loses.


2.) 15 May 2020 14:08:14
ll, why would it cause a lock out? Any money that the nba takes back would be legal under the cba that the players union agreed to. The players would have no reason to strike.

Also, the government should bail out the NBA? Why should our tax dollars go to make sure millionaires and billionaires don’t lose any money? That’s ridiculous. Bail outs as is are pretty bad, but at least they’re typically saving jobs, keeping a needed service up and running and/ or helping to stabilize the financial system. We already buy most of these stadiums. There’s no reason that they should be getting a buy out.


3.) 15 May 2020 16:47:29
I think they’ll figure out a way to smooth the cap out. Maybe reduce the cap by 5 or so million a year until the deficit is made up. A one year drop of that much is bad for both sides, so they’d both have motivation to make sure it doesn’t happen.

Only the max contracts that kick in that year would be affected if they didn’t. A max contract signed previously is set by the max when it kicks in, then has standard increases. Each year isn’t affected by the cap of that year.

Hell, the best thing that could happen to Portland is for the cap to crater that one year. It’s when Lillard and McCollum both have their extensions kick in. They would both go drastically down, opening up enormous cap space. But I don’t see how that’s fair to those players.


4.) 17 May 2020 15:06:39
I doubt the owners are going to smooth out the cap hit while it's going down after the players refused to do just that as it went up. and I don't think we can assume that revenues will be down for just one year. … depending on whether there's a second wave of the virus in the fall you might see games being played in empty arenas for 2 to 3 years. until there's a viable treatment or vaxxine you're not going to see 20,000 people in one building. and even if a vaxxine is developed by the end of this year (very optimistic) you still have millions and millions of people to vaccinate before it's safe. I think you're going to see a huge hit to the cap. lots of 1 year contracts at the minimum until all the existing big dollar contracts expire. and yes. you can bet your ass that kawhi and pg and others with 21 options will be staying put.


5.) 17 May 2020 16:38:09
It will be a lockout to go over new financial situations. And agree how they move forward and share money.


6.) 17 May 2020 21:29:24
Are we talking about players striking or owners locking them out? Seems like Rkenne and II are talking about 2 seperate things.

Not sure this "can" can be kicked down the road when followung seasons are so unsure. An option is to suspend the actual (end of year) luxury tax payments teams would have to make over next couple of seasons. Luxury tax levels still apply to trades and signings, but not collected and redistributed. Also think amniesty waivers may be brought back as well.


7.) 18 May 2020 05:44:17
If there a disagreement over lost revenue that could cause a lock out. When the owners should take a lose and players already going to lose salary. So there both losing but moving forward and accepting the loses should delay further losses. So the fans can enjoy basketball.


8.) 19 May 2020 16:19:09
there is absolutely no reason for a strike or lockout due to revenues. the split of revenue is contractual and both sides would be required to live up to the terms of the contract. there could be a strike/ lockout over playing conditions if the union determined the league's efforts to keep players safe were not sufficient. and when billionaires and millionaires are fighting over money nobody gives a rats ass about fans.


9.) 19 May 2020 18:37:06
Rapsfan, the owners are going to want smoothing because of the luxury tax implications. As is, the majority of the league could be in the luxury tax. It’s not like they’ll be giving up money. They’ll just be moving around future earnings.


10.) 19 May 2020 23:34:58
Yeah, that’s the difference between this and the cap spike. This benefits both sides to smooth. I don’t think smoothing the spike benefited the players much. That’s why I think they’ll try to smooth it out and succeed in it.


11.) 20 May 2020 03:23:15
But paying the luxury tax has nothing to do with the players. That money goes to the NVA head office to disperse to non-tax teams as well as fund projects like youth basketball camps, and camps abroad like in Africa.

Which is why I believe collecting the tax from teams will be suspended as a way of flattening the spike wihout having to negotiate with the players. It will pass the owners because a majority will already be over the tax.


12.) 20 May 2020 04:02:19
The fans make basketball possible.


 

 

08 May 2020 21:48:00
what happens if the NBA season starts before the travel ban is lifted?

Some teams foreign players (like Doncic) went back to Europe.

Fredman

1.) 08 May 2020 23:43:32
They could either fly into Canada and come across to the US? Or I bet they could get a special exception on a private flight and get tested right off the plane and quarantined until the results come in. Enough money makes it happen.


2.) 09 May 2020 02:54:14
Canada and Mexico have similar travel bans.


3.) 09 May 2020 17:06:55
Canada and US border closed isn't it?


4.) 09 May 2020 20:04:56
The only "official" stoppage I am aware of is if the Canadians had recently travelled to China or Iran. There is probably one as well if the travellers have a fever as well.


5.) 10 May 2020 01:40:21
There’s quite a few exceptions to the EU ban, I think they could get in if they wanted right now.


6.) 10 May 2020 15:43:26
Canada/ US border is open only to essential travel. nurses from Canada crossing into Detroit every day to work in hospitals there for instance. anyone coming into Canada must isolate for 14 days, so if players try to cross through Canada they'll have to accommodate for that. Canada is being very strict on this. actors filming in Canada included. they must isolate for 14 days before they can enter public spaces.


 

 

 

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04 Jul 2020 17:57:34
Clippers pick via NY.

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04 Jul 2020 11:53:15
Getting Rozier or drafting one of the many PG prospects? Think I would go with the prospects.

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03 Jul 2020 22:46:53
Cut the Magic out of it?

Barnes and a couple of second rounders for Turner?

Barnes more of a stretch 4 than Gordon.

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03 Jul 2020 22:45:35
Barnes and a couple of seconds for Turner? Barnes is more of a stretch 4 than Gordon.

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03 Jul 2020 22:44:03
Trying to think if Collins in the last year before having to pay him is better than the next 5 years of anybody that GS can draft with the #1 pick. Kinda want to stay with the pick.

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