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17 Oct 2019 00:16:32
The Celtics made a four-year, $80 million offer to Brown but he turned it down,  reports Chris Haynes of Yahoo Sports.

Yea, you may come to regret that. I wonder how much stat chasing he is doing this upcoming season.


1.) 17 Oct 2019 07:28:23
The Cavs could offer big contract.

2.) 17 Oct 2019 11:44:58
Sometimes Brown is interested in playing; sometimes he isn't. When he's interested, he looks good and can put together a nice highlight reel. When he isn't interested, he walks up and down the court. I doubt a big contract is going to get him more interested.

3.) 17 Oct 2019 12:20:34
What did you expect super, he plays for Boston Celtics.

4.) 17 Oct 2019 13:54:44
Right. plays for the Celtics. Could be much worse and play for the Knickerdoodles.

5.) 17 Oct 2019 16:18:18
Brown is starting to fall in that Wiggins category IMO.

6.) 17 Oct 2019 21:22:40
There is yankee doodle and I heard of snickerdoodle. Celtics fans know as Knicksdoodle, its knickerbockers. I say Knicks are equal to the Celtics for 4th and 5th place. Nets Raptors and Sixers are all better.

7.) 17 Oct 2019 22:05:35
hahahaha. The Knicks are equal to the Celtics this year?!? No chance in hell.



05 Oct 2019 20:15:44
Trade deadline

Portland trades Bazemore+Little
Sacramento trades Ariza+Bjelica.


1.) 06 Oct 2019 02:48:07
Blazers is not doing this deal.



05 Oct 2019 17:45:40
After Dec 15th and when KAT asks for a trade.

Minny trades KAT
Sacramento trades Dedmond, Bogdanovich, Farrell and 2 first rounders (both lottery protected) .


1.) 05 Oct 2019 18:19:41
It’d take more for KAT.

2.) 05 Oct 2019 18:25:22
MIN says no. Adding KAT to SAC would be great for them, but they would have to give up more. MIN is going to want at least an all star/ all star potential or a high pick probably a combination of those 2 things and they get neither in this trade.

3.) 05 Oct 2019 18:57:50
Wow! Fredman, your first trade proposal and such a good one.

4.) 05 Oct 2019 19:45:40
Just giving what everyone wants. Agreements and homer trades. 🤪🙈🙉🙊.

5.) 05 Oct 2019 20:20:31
Fredman, yesterday you compared yourself with a GM 😂😂😂 now giving up after a couple of bad comments. 🤗🤗🍾.

6.) 05 Oct 2019 22:10:56
This off-season, KAT has appeared extremely happy to be the leader of the Timberwolves, and new GM Gersson Rosas brought back none of the vets, and only signed players that match KAT’s timeline.

That said, even of KAT hated it in MIN, if he asks for a trade December 15th, the Wolves would say . ”you mean in 2022, right? ” Towns is just starting a five year deal, and he won’t have the “trade me or be prepared to lose me for nothing}-leverage for several years.

And even if he did, this offer would be outbid by practically every team in the NBA. He is the total package offensively, never gets hurt, only 23 years old, and locked up for five full years? Who knows what this kid will become?

7.) 06 Oct 2019 00:28:07
Rodman he could still b like a GM. GM's say one thing then do another all the time. You can never trust what a GM says.

8.) 06 Oct 2019 14:39:37
No comment.



03 Oct 2019 00:51:31
Sources told Heavy. com that the Thunder are seeking a draft pick, a young player and salary relief for Adams.

“They set the price too high, ” one league executive said.



1.) 03 Oct 2019 14:01:26
I’m a thunder fan. Don’t think they’ll get that, and I honestly don’t want to see him go. But what would get it done, and what team would pull the trigger on Adams?

2.) 03 Oct 2019 15:18:36

Hardaway+JustinJackson+2020 2nd Utah.

3.) 03 Oct 2019 17:05:28
Boston? If Hayward doesn't improve and ends up on the bench, maybe Hayward and a first?

Dallas could make sense.

The Clippers could make finances work (it wouldn't be easy probably, but they could) . He could be a great dirty work guy on that team.



23 Sep 2019 19:01:29
3 Kings in ESPNS top 51-100 and none of them named Fox. I can work with that.

Hield, Bogdanovich and Bagley.

Only 1 Laker (Kuzma) . 2 Clippers (Beverly and Williams)


1.) 23 Sep 2019 20:38:12
so what your excuse this yr for not making the playoffs.

2.) 24 Sep 2019 02:47:38
We don't play in the easy East like the Knicks?

And other teams in the west have more top 50 players?

Kings 1, Lakers 2, Clippers 2, Golden Stste 3.




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21 Oct 2019 17:18:47
Buddy Hield and the Kings have agreed to a 4-year, $94 million contract extension, which could reach $106M with bonuses.

Now the question is are those bonuses likely or not. Impacts salary cap.


1.) 21 Oct 2019 17:25:46
Sorry, bonuses are based on team making Finals and Buddy making All-Star teams. Payment scale is also front loaded which will make Fox and Bagley's signings easier to do.

Pretty much a win for both sides. Buddy performs he gets paid like a max player, he doesn't perform then he gets less.

2.) 21 Oct 2019 17:34:10
Seems like a great deal for both sides, I like it a lot.

3.) 21 Oct 2019 17:55:11
I like it.
I really hope the kings make the playoffs this year.

4.) 21 Oct 2019 20:23:55
Deal looks great after that Jaylon Brown signing. now, need Bodganovich to sign his extension.



19 Oct 2019 19:04:01
Raptors, Pascal Siakam reportedly agree to four-year, $129.9 million max contract extension

Damn, this doesn't help the Kings in the Buddy Hield negotiations.


1.) 19 Oct 2019 23:54:40
The Kings should just give it to him. If they don’t someone will and then they’ll have an annoyed Buddy when they match.

2.) 20 Oct 2019 02:09:45
Yea, kind of agreeing. Trade Barnes away when Bagley is due to be paid.



17 Oct 2019 16:22:56
You are a GM with cap space next year. Which RFA do you offer a max contract to first?

Buddy Hield or Jaylon Brown?


1.) 17 Oct 2019 18:24:41
none, i don't think they're worth a max contract.
J Brown should have signed that 80M contract.
Maybe Cleveland could give him that big contract, but i think it's to much.

Hield is a good fit in sacramento, he could be an all star in the east. So they could offer close to the max for him. For sure if they make the playoffs next year. But i can't see another team give him that max contract.

2.) 17 Oct 2019 18:56:07
Gasupo, if Brown should gave signed his $80 deal, then Hield should have signed his $90mil offer?

3.) 17 Oct 2019 18:58:06
Seems like it's Hield by a mile.

Brown feels like his ceiling is coming down to someone like Covington. Maybe Tobias Harris. Likely a 4th best player on an elite team.

Hield could jump up to a McCollum/ Murray/ Kemba/ Klay tier. A legit second option.

4.) 17 Oct 2019 20:25:02
Kind of feel like Hield is on par with Murray (and Mitchell) . A step below MCollum and Klay as SGs in the WC.

5.) 18 Oct 2019 07:40:45
Not sure Hield should have signed that 90M dollar contract. I would have liked that, it would give sacramento flexibility, but it's all about the money.

J Brown isn't worth that 80M contract, so i would let him go if he wants more. I would offer a max contract to keep Hield in sacramento. But i don't think another team would offer a max contract, so i think they can come to an agreemenet between 90M and a max conntract.

6.) 18 Oct 2019 09:52:42
The "problem" with maxing Hield is that in the future with Bogi, Fox and Bagley getting max deals as well, that takes up 100% of the Kings salary cap. So how to you keep adding to that core? Its the OKC dilemna of paying Harden, Durant, Westbrook and Ibaka all over again.

7.) 18 Oct 2019 11:31:44
Fredman, the only guy you mentioned that’s better than Hield is Fox. You can’t just let your second best player walk. If OKC just keeps all of those guys and fills out the roster with minimum contracts, they would have multiple titles. Not to mention that they were willing to give Barnes a ton of money. They should have just let him walk rather than tempting fate with Hield.

Any way to answer the original question, most teams probably go with Hield. He’s the better of the two. Maybe, a team like the Cavs would go with Brown, since they’re heavy on guard and desperately need defense. All that said, I think the Kings ultimately match whatever Hield gets, I don’t think Boston matches a big offer for Brown.

8.) 18 Oct 2019 13:08:05
Lamb was projected to become the same level Harden was. It turned all wrong for OKC. Harden became an MVP and Lamb is mediocre, but it was seen as a smart trade in 2012.

The Kings still can trade Hield in 2022 or 2023, when they have to pay Bagley. But there are no good free agents in 2020 and i doubt they can get a better player in 2022. so i wouldn't hesitate to give him a big contract.

9.) 18 Oct 2019 14:49:47
Rkenne, that is the same thinking that got Wiggins his max deal. How's that working out?

10.) 18 Oct 2019 15:09:35
You can afford 3 max guys if you are in a championship window. You pay Hield because he's the one guy on that team that's worth it right now. Bagley might become a max guy, but is he right now? Bogdanovic shouldn't be considered anywhere close to a max guy, he's bound for a Joe Ingles contract (or should be) .

If you think that Hield, Fox, and Bagley are all star caliber players that can be a trio to win it all, you pay them. Period.

Heck, even if you don't think that, if you think Hield will be a positive value with a max contract, you give it to him. You can always trade him when other max guys come around.

11.) 18 Oct 2019 16:34:50
Brown and Hield are both better than Wiggins.

12.) 19 Oct 2019 00:30:32
Not sure what your point is with such an obvious comparision, Rkenne. If you are saying that Hield and Brown should get a max offer because they are better than Wiggins who got a max deal. If so, then thete shpuld be over 100 players with max deals.

13.) 20 Oct 2019 01:49:29
I don’t think Brown is worth a max unless he has a huge year, but Hield probably is. I’m just saying that you’re not entirely counting on them getting significantly better. They’re both good and Hield is pretty close to already playing at a max level. At worst, it’s probably a slight over pay for him.



10 Oct 2019 01:40:59
So with the salary cap lowering the salary and luxury cap projection by around $15 mil (an actual decline of around $9 mil from this year) because of China, a majority of teams are already looking to be over the luxury tax for next year. Free cap space is going to be at a premium and require more draft picks to secure. Prepare for a ton of salary dump deals at the draft and next offseason.


1.) 10 Oct 2019 10:56:04
I haven’t heard anything official yet. I thought they were just pulling Rockets games. That said, it wouldn’t be a bad thing for the Cavs.

2.) 10 Oct 2019 10:56:45
Competitively that is. I’m sure Gilbert would like his money.

3.) 10 Oct 2019 14:37:54
Its not official, but reports say some GMs are already game-planning for if it becomes official. Only 8 teams will be below the salary cap with only Atlanta and Memphis having significant amounts of cap space.

Additionally, players on deals set to salary cap (max deal, rookies and league minimum deals) will have future salaries reduced as well.

So maybe Chris Paul and John Wall will become affordable. lol.

4.) 10 Oct 2019 16:22:00
Those salaries are set by the cap of the year they sign them. Their salary isn't dictated by the cap of the year they get paid. The only times I've seen that happen was when a player signed a max deal mid season. At that time, the "max" isn't established, so there's not a set amount until July, when the cap is set for the following year.

That's why some guys were severely underpaid for a few years. They signed before the cap boom.

In the end, this will blow over and nothing that extreme will happen.

5.) 10 Oct 2019 17:51:57
Perhaps. Just not sure how most players will react to losing 10% of what their projected salary will be next year. So for Lebron that would be $3.9 mil for next year alone. For the length of his contract, that could $8 mil. Now aggreagate that for every player in the league and its probably somewhere near in the $100+ mil category.

So my next curiousity question is can individual players or the player's union file a suit against Morey for the projected salary loss.

6.) 11 Oct 2019 15:32:37
But those contracts are set. No one is losing money from their existing contract. That's what I was saying. Future contracts might go down, but it's hard to sue based on future cap and future contracts. It's too slippery of a slope, since no one can guarantee what the cap would be next year anyway.

7.) 11 Oct 2019 16:42:24
Salaries are set. My bad. The website I was reading from said max salary was 35% of each years salary cap when its 35% of the initial year +8% raises each following year. As for lost salary or revenue, its not that slippery of a slope as the lost salary is directly tied to the lost revenue which is directly tied to Morey's comment. Now the individual salaries loss will be hard to compute. But the aggregate amount if the players union surs on behalf of the playets will not be. So the owners and players union could probably go after Morey (sort of like the NBA going after Sterling for his comments) .

8.) 11 Oct 2019 18:41:05
But Sterling didn’t get sued for money, he got stripped of his ownership. Suing for money is a whole different animal. If Morey could be sued for that, could you sue a guy that retires early because it negatively affects the league? Or sue a star that backs the wrong presidential candidate? Or a player/ team that kneels during the anthem or doesn’t come out? Sue a gay player because that negatively affects advertisement?

Slippery slope.

9.) 11 Oct 2019 20:13:16
I don't think you can show a DIRECT relationship between a a player retiring/ coming out and a loss of revenue of the League. However, in Morey's case, there is a DIRECT cause-effect relationship.

Did NFL loses revenue from Kapernick or did they lose revenue over CTE? Both? Neither? How much $$$ on each. Slippery slope exists here.

So I do not see the slope as slippery when it comes to Morey's actions. As for Sterling, show me the loss revenue directly connected by his comments. They "punished" him, but where is Morey's "punishment"?

10.) 13 Oct 2019 14:39:11
Morey didn’t do anything illegal, make up a lie or even do something that was against league rules. China overreacting to a tweet isn’t his fault and he has every right to any political beliefs that he wants. What could he be sued for?

11.) 13 Oct 2019 21:38:21
Sterling didn't do anything illegal either. He just made comments that offended others. Morey's tweet essentially did the same. Where is Morey's punishment? Talk about a slippery slope.

I believe Morey can be sued because his comment may lead to lost wages by players and lost profits for the owners. Freedom of speech enable people to say things, but it doesn't protect you from the consequences of your words. Morey's tweet may lead to a loss for every player and owner in the league. He should have to reimburse innocent people for those losses.

12.) 14 Oct 2019 00:32:30
Sterling was penalized by the league rules. A lawsuit would require a court ruling. That’s the difference.

If the league wanted to fine or suspend or ban Morey, maybe. But there’s no way a lawsuit happens.

13.) 14 Oct 2019 03:00:19
Fredman, actually, the league likely couldn’t have gotten Sterling out of the league legally. His wife tricked him into getting doctors appointments where he was diagnosed as having dementia and then she was the only owner who was competent of making the decision to sell the team.

The Chinese are the reason that the NBA could lose money. Morey has no control over what China does. Not to mention, if the CEO of a company runs it poorly and drives it into the ground, he can’t be sued by anyone for their wages. This is just an executive making a miscalculation that led to the company losing money.

14.) 14 Oct 2019 19:47:29
So there is no consequence for Morey's words? Then why the blanket "no comment" by the commish and players?

15.) 15 Oct 2019 00:12:06
They don’t want to make it worst?

16.) 15 Oct 2019 18:07:55
Yeah, they don't want to punish based on a personal opinion that isn't hurtful/ racist/ etc. But they don't want to make things worse.

Also, it looks like this is going to blow over. China isn't going to ban the NBA. So it doesn't look like any financial harm is going to be done.



13 Sep 2019 22:30:02
For my NBA fantasy team, which gets the start at PF in Phoenix Kaminsky or Saric?


1.) 14 Sep 2019 13:44:58
If i where them i would start Saric. I could be wrong i'm not looking at stats but i'm pretty sure he is the better floor stretcher and stays healthier.




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21 Oct 2019 20:22:25
And if Tatum gets injured, then what? Notice I was talking about depth.




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21 Oct 2019 19:05:00
Strippers are much better in Toronto than Milwaukee. At least, that's what I have heard.




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21 Oct 2019 19:01:35
Yea, that Sabonis-Zion pairing would concern me.




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21 Oct 2019 18:58:56
Celtics are light on depth at big men. can't see them trading some away for guards/ wings.




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21 Oct 2019 14:30:37
Pretty sure Portland passes. Their plan will be to use 2020 first and Whiteside expiring to address other areas (probably forward with the return of Nurkic) not getting Marc Gasol.





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