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10 Dec 2019 17:13:44
Word is that Love's preferred destination is Portland. And Cleveland is now open to moving him. So what does it take?

Whiteside and Love have contracts that could be swapped, so only two players would be needed if they wanted to go a Whiteside and picks for Love. Does that do it?


1.) 10 Dec 2019 17:53:41
i would like to see Nurkic and zach for love instead of that.

2.) 10 Dec 2019 18:35:50
I wouldn’t trade Nurkic for Love unless a pick is headed to Portland. I -might- be talked into a Whiteside and Collins for Love deal, but I like Collins a lot. I don’t like Love as much.

3.) 10 Dec 2019 18:41:07
Collins and Bazemore.

4.) 10 Dec 2019 18:52:25
Opens up some 3team deals?
For example, TOR could want Bazemore, and CLE would need a PF that can also play the 5 and Ibaka helps with that.

5.) 10 Dec 2019 18:57:21
RAPS: Collins, Bazemore, blazers 1st
CLE: Ibaka, Blazers 1st

6.) 10 Dec 2019 19:02:44
I just saw that Whiteside and Bazemore for Love and Thompson is out there. No picks, no youth.

7.) 10 Dec 2019 19:03:18
Collins and two firsts?!? For just Love? No way. That’s a ridiculous overpay.

8.) 10 Dec 2019 19:13:21
Thompson osman and love for whiteside Bazemore Collins and little and top 14 protected pick if not two seconds.

9.) 10 Dec 2019 19:24:25
Cavs - Whiteside Ibaka Collins And Johnson
Raptors - Bazemore and Henson
Blazers - Love and Thompson

- Cavs get 2 exp contracts and 2 young players in Collins and Johnson
- Raptors add wing scorer and still gets a backup big
- Blazers add 2 bigs that work well together and will help out tremendously.

10.) 10 Dec 2019 20:08:13
Fine remove the 1st from TOR.

11.) 10 Dec 2019 21:09:43
Why not just do Whiteside and a first and cut Toronto out? It's not like Ibaka has some great value (especially to a rebuilding team) .

And if Portland was willing to include Collins, I think Cleveland would cut Toronto out and just take him for themselves.



01 Jul 2019 17:03:38
Portland trades Zach Collins
Boston trades Jaylen Brown

I know Boston fans will scoff, but curious what impartial fans think of the value swap. This would then assume Portland lands a new starting PF (Love, Griffin, Gordon), but that's for another line of thought.


1.) 01 Jul 2019 17:27:55
I like this deal for Boston
I believe J Brown has a higher cealing, but Z Collins is a good fit in Boston

I hope Portland can land K Love or A Gordon, not sure how Griffin, McCollum and Lillard can play together.

2.) 01 Jul 2019 18:09:50
And Portland traded for Whiteside, so they need to keep Collins to play beside him. I like the fit of Whiteside as a temporary replacement for Nurkic. Then they have a massive expiring contract at the trade deadline.

3.) 01 Jul 2019 19:39:40
Yeah, that won't happen. Brown is a starting wing, Collins a lower-rotation big. Flip Nurkic for Collins and that might get it done.

4.) 01 Jul 2019 20:08:28
Collins is Portland's starting 4 (and last year was their primary backup big) . And Brown is Boston's third best wing (if you believe in Hayward, which Boston does) .

(Ignoring injury concerns) Nurkic is way more valuable than Brown. No way I'd consider that swap.

Again, all moot with Whiteside in Portland.

5.) 01 Jul 2019 20:16:17
Maybe Collins + Simons.



24 Jun 2019 23:18:26
Trade done: Blazers swap Evan Turner to the Hawks for Kent Bazemore.

Seems good for both. Atlanta uses Turner as a backup PG, and clears space for young wings.

Portland gets an upgrade at wing that they desperately need.


1.) 25 Jun 2019 05:17:03
games? Is an upgrade?



17 Jan 2019 20:22:09
Idea from The Ringer:

Blazers get:

Aaron Gordon
Terrance Ross

Magic get:

CJ McCollum
Meyers Leonard
2019 First round pick (top 10 protected)




12 Nov 2018 19:37:50
Blazers trade:

Simons (could also be Swanigan or Trent)
2019 lottery protected first

Minny trades


Minny gets some future assets as they continue to head towards the lottery. Portland solidifies their weakest position (wing) .


1.) 13 Nov 2018 00:00:21
Swanigan, Harkless, and the 1st is more than fair, but it's tough for me to see the wolves doing that if the butler trade was a trend. Covington has had 4 point games in 30+ minutes this season, I like his D but his streaky shooting is undesirable. Harkless is probably done and you got to pay to offload him but if he isn't and can return healthy I'd prefer him right now if that is possible. They are really similar players. Covington reminds me of a young Harkless in Orlando. Harkless was great before this last knee injury. It's concerning because he's post-op, post-rehab and having swelling. Not good. He looked a little slower and less athletic when he last played too. The '19 1st, Simons and Trent are keepers in my opinion. Aren't really taking up room, cheap, good potential. Seth Curry can go before them but not right now! Swanigan can go. Myers game works for the league right now amazingly enough, but I'd deal him too. Obviously Turner as well, even if his game is working right now!

2.) 13 Nov 2018 00:13:39
It’s possible, but I think Minnesota will try to make a run for the playoffs first.




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21 Nov 2019 16:55:11
I apologize to all Heat fans that screamed for years that Whiteside is terrible and I didn't believe them. It's incredible how bad he is. It doesn't show up on the stat sheet, but everything he does is just to the detriment of his team.

Especially his defense. He gets some great, highlight reel blocks. But for each one of those, he whiffs and gives up a wide open dunk. He also has no idea how to navigate a pick and roll on either side of the court.

He can't be gone from Portland soon enough. This will show how bad it is. I miss Enes Kanter. I miss his offense and I miss his defense.


1.) 21 Nov 2019 18:15:30
Even I'm a Raptors fan, I accept the heartfelt apology. I understand.

2.) 21 Nov 2019 19:41:02
As a Kings fan, I am glad to see him destroy Portland's hope of winning games. Nothing personal, just being real.

3.) 21 Nov 2019 21:35:53
All he cares about is his box score. He doesn't care about team success. As long as he is getting his rebounds and a highlight play here and there he doesn't care what happens.

4.) 21 Nov 2019 22:45:33
BTW BMiller, how does it feel having to pay that upcoming $25 mil luxury tax bill for this season?

5.) 22 Nov 2019 15:05:31
It's not my luxury tax bill, I don't care about it. I'd have Jody Allen pay any luxury tax bill if they made the conference finals again. The tax bill was worth it last year. Hell, this year's bill is worth it for last year's playoff run. That's how desperate for success Portland fans are, and I'm sure you can relate as a Kings fan.

At this point, the incredibly high payroll should play to their advantage in trades because all of their contracts are either expiring, good players, or rookie deals.

6.) 22 Nov 2019 15:09:48
I just assumed that playing on an expiring contract, he'd realize he needs to be better to get another contract. It was a gamble, but a logical one. At least I assumed his effort would be at a maximum. But it's not, his effort is minimal at best.

Sadly, I think Skal might be a better starting option. Heck, he went for 22 and 12 with 5 blocks last night against the Bucks. He's not horrible, and he at least plays with extreme effort.

7.) 22 Nov 2019 17:10:27
Yup. Always easier to spend someone's elses money for your happiness as a fan.

8.) 22 Nov 2019 17:40:24
It's not like the owners are losing money. Allen bought the team for 70 million and it's going to sell for 2 billion or so. He was worth 20 billion when he died. 25 million is a tenth of a percent of his total fortune. Total revenue for the team in 2018 was 248 million (which has gone up since then! ) . I doubt they're losing money even with the tax bill.

Yeah, I can't feel bad for the money spent in any way. And Paul was the happiest Blazer fan of them all when they were successful.

9.) 23 Nov 2019 03:50:12
I thought whiteside would be better. He seems to shine in contract years.

10.) 24 Nov 2019 01:29:55
Same Shiller. With two years left on the contract it’s a horrible move. Betting on a guy to do everything he can to prove he deserves another big contract was logical. But his “everything he can” was just MORE selfishness.



15 Nov 2019 01:26:12
Melo to the Blazers.

And the sad part is that I’m happy about it. Hezonja and Tolliver have been worst case scenario bad. Melo might be inefficient and not play defense. But Hezonja and Tolliver haven’t been playing offense or defense at all.

And with a non-guaranteed dead, if he’s terrible, they can just cut him.


1.) 15 Nov 2019 06:09:15
Just please Melo accept your role. You'll do good if you can.

2.) 15 Nov 2019 09:36:21
I hope it works, it needs to happen this year.

Golden stat is back next year
Clippers and Lakers will be rotated
Denver and Utah would have more experience.

3.) 15 Nov 2019 11:47:26
Just what the Blazers needed -- a lock-down defender.

4.) 15 Nov 2019 12:22:12
Psiphon- Very true. I think he’ll start (it’s him or Little at PF) . If he does, I think they run a lot of the offense through a Lillard/ Melo high pick and roll. That’s Stotts base play. They then let the screaner run a lot of the offense from popping to the elbow to make a play. Seems like something Melo would thrive at.

Supercollider- like I said, he literally can’t be worse defensively than Hezonja and Tolliver. And he can’t be worse offensively.

5.) 15 Nov 2019 13:02:16
I actually thought the Schumpert Melo signings were backwards. Thought Melo to the Nets and Schumpert to Portland made more sense.

6.) 15 Nov 2019 15:36:13
Why would Portland need Shumpert? Their 5 best players right now are Lillard, McCollum, Simons, Bazemore, and Hood. Hood's the only one over 6'4. The need someone with some size that isn't useless. If anything, I was hoping for a true PF. Though with Faried in China, there's not much left to sign.

All that said, they still desperately need to make a trade on December 15th. They can't wait for the trade deadline, it has to be as soon as possible unless they want to write this season off as a lost season.

7.) 15 Nov 2019 19:23:34
Shumpert was playing 3 in Houston and Sacramento.

What you give for Bjelica once Bagley is back?



17 Sep 2018 17:26:51
Nba-gmaster made me think of this question as I'm thinking about how good NY or Cleveland can be:

If you have a young talented team that you want to develop, with some recent lottery picks, who is the person you want on that roster the least?

Possible options:
JR Smith
Nick Young.


1.) 17 Sep 2018 18:36:09
For me it’s Melo and not close. I think young players actually look up to Melo and see him as a role model. On a young team he would still be looked at as a leader and that’s not exactly a guy you want to lead. He isn’t as bad and influence as Smith or Young, but I don’t see guys looking Young or Smith for leadership or guidance. I think they’re more cautionary tales of players that had a ton of talent and were never more than mediocre or slightly above average players. Plus, their play styles aren’t as detrimental to the team. They spread the floor and do take some bad shots, but neither dominates the ball. I don’t think Kanter is really a bad influence around the team. He’s just a black hole that can slow down pacing and hurt player growth on the court. Melo does that as well and probably worse since he actually gets the ball on the perimeter.




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12 Dec 2019 00:39:53
Again, Detroit is taking back Chris Paul’s absolute disaster of a contract. They’re not taking it for free.




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12 Dec 2019 00:38:38
WATCH Whiteside. Watch him. If you think he’s the 7th best player in the NBA, you’re a lost cause. He is really bad. They’re equal defenders. But Love beats him by miles offensively.




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11 Dec 2019 22:35:25
That might be true, but it's still a horrible value for Drummond and Kennard. Detroit is giving up the two best players in the trade (by a mile) to get a second round pick?




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11 Dec 2019 22:33:36
Are you saying Love and Whiteside are equal Shizzee? Really?




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11 Dec 2019 21:09:53
The Pels are bad because they have two lottery picks on their team, one that hasn't even played yet.





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