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15 Oct 2019 09:22:07
Cavs - Gordon
Magic - Clarkson Osman and future protected 1st
Garland/Delly
Sexton/KPJ
Gordon/Windler
Love/Nance
TT/Henson
- Cavs add young forward with solid defense
Fultz/Augustin
Fournier/Clarkson
Osman/Ross
Isaac/Aminu
Vucevic/Bamba
- Magic adds much needed true wing players and shooting
02 Oct 2019 08:32:08
Hawks - Gordon
Cavs - Bamba
Magic - Sexton Reddish Crabbe and Hawks 1st
Magic basically trades project for project (Bamba for Reddish) and receives Sexton Crabbe for Gordon. Sexton would be a better fit w Fultz than Garland due to Fultz height and solid defense.
Sexton
Fultz
Fournier
Isaac
Vucevic
Garland
Porter Jr
Osman
Love
Bamba
Young
Huerter
Hunter
Gordon
Collins
1.) 02 Oct 2019 11:55:28
It makes some sense, but I don’t think the Cavs want to trade Sexton.
2.) 02 Oct 2019 15:19:41
I like Bamba for sexton
And Isaac should play, so getting a good pick for A Gordon is a fair trade.
13 Sep 2019 13:16:47
Wolves - Derozan and Mills
Spurs - Wiggins Covington and Bates Diop
Teague
Derozan
Culver
Bell
Towns
White
Wiggins
Covington
Gay
LA
1.) 13 Sep 2019 13:21:46
IF MIN trades Covington, (and I doubt this happens so he can teach the kids some defense), it will be for win-later, upside talent that matches KAT’s timeline.
2.) 13 Sep 2019 15:39:33
Not sure i'm Spurs would agree to such a trade. But the lineup would not be so bad but different!
Murray
Walker IV
Wiggins
Covington
LA.
3.) 13 Sep 2019 18:17:53
Not sure Pop is interested in coaching Wiggins. Especially when he has a few young wings already on the roster who may be just as good as Wiggins is.
11 sep 2019 07:25:45
pacers - towns
wolves - turner mcdermott leaf a.holiday and 1/2 first(s)
brogdon/mcconnell
oladipo/lamb
warren/holiday
sabonis/johnson
towns/bitadze
teague/holiday
culver/okogie
wiggins/layman
covington/bell/leaf
turner/vonleh
1.) 12 Sep 2019 02:56:44
MIN has Towns locked in for five years. They can’t afford to deal him.
2.) 12 Sep 2019 16:12:27
Minny is tied to Towns and Wiggins as their two highest paid players for the next few years, can they afford the status quo?
3.) 13 Sep 2019 06:29:44
LOL! Linking Towns to Wiggins is bad enough, but the trade unlink them and trades Towns!
4.) 13 Sep 2019 15:20:38
Well, you have to give up assets on an already bad team to trade Wiggins. That doesn't feel successful short or long term. Find me a way to improve the team to be a solid playoff team while trading Wiggins and I'll buy into that as a possibility. I just don't see it.
By trading Towns, yes, you're admitting you're basically tanking. But isn't that better than wallowing in the mid-late lottery with a bunch of ok pieces around a second tier star?
5.) 13 Sep 2019 17:26:53
Bmiller- doing and their pg coming off books wolves can add next summer.
6.) 13 Sep 2019 18:13:33
Add what? What is Minny luring to play with Towns and Wiggins? Even if they have a full max amount open, they're not pulling Steph Curry or Harden to come and be their #1 option. Maybe they can get a guy like Aaron Gordon when his deal is up. They couldn't land Russell (who probably doesn't even cement them as a playoff team) .
I just think Minnesota's short term outlook isn't great. They're too old with too few assets and too many big contracts to be building, but they're not good enough to not build.
7.) 13 Sep 2019 19:30:41
Betcha ATL would give a treasure trove for KAT.
8.) 14 Sep 2019 03:16:36
MIN’s future is KAT. Finding a potential superstar is the hardest step towards relevance, and they have one in KAT.
I agree they need to add talent, but don’t think it’s coming from free agency. MIN is not a free agent destination, so using assets to clear Wiggins’ contract doesn’t necessarily mean they can replace that payroll with a star. They need to hold onto their young assets and picks, and hope that they can develop complimentary talent to KAT.
9.) 14 Sep 2019 03:25:45
BTW, if you think MIN is “too old, ” you need to check out MIN’s current roster.
This summer, Rosas got rid of Taj Gibson, Jerry’s Bayless, Anthony Tolliver, and Derek Rose. They still have Teague 30 (expires this season), Dieng 29 (expires next season), Napier 28 (expiring, they got him free), and they love the 28 year old Covington.
The entire rest of their roster is between the ages of 20-25. Rosas made an effort to focus on adding players that were Towns’ age. They are younger than most teams, but they are less talented and more shallow. Next season is not win-now, with questions on the bench throughout the line up.
10.) 14 Sep 2019 05:59:50
But KAT isn’t a superstar. He’s a secondary star. No way he can be the best player on a top 4 seed. You’re not looking for a compliment, you’re looking for a #1.
“Too old” was probably the wrong term. Too many guys on big contracts. Very few rookie contracts. And almost no assets.
26 Aug 2019 22:11:13
Magic - White and Belinelli
Spurs - Bamba
Murray/Mills
Forbes/Walker/Johnson
Derozan/Carroll
Aldridge/Gay/Samanic
Bamba/Poeltl
White/Fultz/Augustin
Fournier/Belinelli
Isaac/Ross
Gordon/Aminu/Okeke
Vucevic/Burch
1.) 28 Aug 2019 00:00:11
Sure. Why not?
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23 Sep 2019 20:15:34
Team who's should think about blowing it up and starting from scratch
Teams plus trade pieces
Pistons - Griffin and Drummond
Magic - Vucevic Gordon and Fournier
Spurs - Derozan Aldridge and Gay
Team on verge if no upcoming success
Trailblazers - McCollum and Nurkic
Heat - Butler Johnson
1.) 23 Sep 2019 20:48:48
The spurs are already in a rebuild mode/ youth movement. I expect LMA or Derozen (or both) traded by the trade deadline. Money is on Derozen since Spurs have a lack of big men depth.
2.) 23 Sep 2019 22:24:09
There's virtually no chance Portland blows it up for the next two seasons. At the earliest it would be in the 2021 offseason. They just made the WCF without their third best player. I think Portland swings a big trade this season to get better.
Miami isn't the kind of team to blow it up fully. Riley's too old to struggle through a full rebuild. Making big moves? Sure. I could see them trying to get Detroit or SA's bit time vets too.
Toronto seems like a likely one too. I think they want to roll out the same lineup (minus Leonard) to give them a chance to go out in front of the home fans again after winning it all. Around the trade deadline, I think they'll make the move to start disassembling and going for youth to go around Siakim.
Minny seems like they should too. They're not going anywhere unless Culver turns into Paul George or Kawhi level player. If he's less than a star, I don't see the playoffs in their future. Even if he does, that's 3 years away that he's a true star most likely, by then they'll have missed the playoffs 4 straight years and Towns will be on a pretty short contract.
3.) 25 Sep 2019 18:06:26
I would add Wizards to the list, but outside of Beal they don't have a lot of big return assets.
4.) 27 Sep 2019 15:29:04
The Wizards should absolutely trade Beal, go young, gather as many assets as possible, and hope Wall comes back as a borderline all star. That's their only path that I see.
Trading Wall isn't an option. It means you're tanking, but you're tanking without any assets. And keeping Beal feels like you just want to be the 8-10 seed in the east every year.
18 Sep 2019 15:32:57
Your top 5 2020 prospects?
1.) 19 Sep 2019 17:15:10
Edwards, wiseman, hampton and mcdaniels. After that its too early to tell for me. Especially with all these freshman and international PGs. Too scared they will be the next Fultz.
2.) 19 Sep 2019 17:34:38
Fredman, a guy that has a weird shoulder condition and/ or the yips that happened to be the most talented guy in a draft?
3.) 19 Sep 2019 19:08:40
Most talented guy in the draft is highly debatable. Obviously, Danny Ainge knew something.
Also, would throw Lonzo Ball into the highly hyped bust category as well. Just need to see their style of play and mental disciipline before I start categorizing the upcoming PGs.
4.) 20 Sep 2019 13:40:37
Fredman i'm going to wait until after this year to decide if Lonzo falls into the bust category. He is a good passer, has good size, and can play defense, but he has to improve his shot. If he is the same this year and doesn't improve with the fresh opportunity without the Lakers pressure or continues to be injured then ill call him a bust.
Now with that i'm not a Ball fan or anything but Lamelo Ball could be a top 5 prospect. He is only 18 and he is 6'6 with good handles and a good outside shot. If he becomes a good playmaker and plays defense while in Australia he could be top 5. He has great potential. However if you throw in having to deal with Lavar his value goes down some cause Lavar just makes things worse, but if u judge just the player he has potential.
5.) 20 Sep 2019 15:27:52
#2 pick means All-Star talent. Ball is FAR from being an All-Star talent.
I always minimize what a players potential is in my evaluations and focus on what the player currently is. Potential is an "excuse" to fall in love and be delusional about what a player can be. Rather stick with more "certainty" than gamble on "possibility".
6.) 20 Sep 2019 17:46:06
For draft picks and first year players, the only thing you can look at is potential and growth. You can't just say "Well, this guy is no good cause he's not an all star in year 1". Then you end up trading Harden for basically nothing.
That said, we've seen enough from Ball to know he'll never make an all star game. I say that because I see no potential, no way he can get THAT much better to be an elite player. He's a tall Rondo. I also wouldn't call that a bust. He's not going to be out of the league after his first contract. He'll likely be a Rubio level starter (15th-20th best PG in the league) . If you can get a really solid rotational player out of a lottery pick, you can't be that disappointed.
It can't be superstar or bust, that's just unfair.
7.) 20 Sep 2019 21:05:43
When he was drafted I wasnt hearing/ reading Rondo or Rubio comparisions. But the Magic Johnson/ Jason Kidd comparisions were allover the place based on his "porential"
What's unfair is placing this All-Star expectation on players based on their potential. A good half never live up to it. Same thing is happening to Zion right now. Stop hyping these kids.
8.) 20 Sep 2019 22:54:18
I feel like "stop hyping these kids" and "a top two pick absolutely should be an all star" is a massive oxymoron. The only way you can expect a top 2 pick to be an all star is to overhype them and view their potential.
9.) 21 Sep 2019 02:06:13
Unless they hype causes you to pick the the wrong talent and pass on the All-Star which I believe happens a lot in this modern NBA.
10.) 21 Sep 2019 13:09:48
I’m not huge on Lonzo, I don’t like guards that can shoot and aren’t really scorers, but there’s plenty of reason to like him. He’s legitimately a good passer, good defender, great size, and he’s a really good athlete. It’s not like there weren’t reason to take him that high. I doubt that he’ll ever be an allstar, but it wouldn’t be crazy. It’s not ridiculous to think that he could be a 15 8 and 8 guy with all nba defense on a good team and get a nod. He’s just a weird player. He does a lot of the dirty work as a pg. He has a clear fit in the nba. Tall Rondo or athletic Rubio is a pretty good player.
26 Aug 2019 17:45:17
1. Philly 76ers
2. Milwaukee Bucks
3. Boston Celtics
4. Indiana Pacers
5. Toronto Raptors
6. Brooklyn Nets
7. Orlando Magic
8. Miami Heat
9. Detroit Pistons
10. Atlanta Hawks
11. Chicago Bulls
12. Washington Wizards
13. New York Knicks
14. Cleveland Cavaliers
15. Charlotte Hornets
1. Houston Rockets
2. Denver Nuggets
3. Los Angeles Clippers
4. Utah Jazz
5. Los Angeles Lakers
6. Golden State Warriors
7. Portland Trailblazers
8. Sacramento Kings
9. San Antonio Spurs
10. New Orleans Pelicans
11. Dallas Mavericks
12. Minnesota Timberwolves
13. Oklahoma City Thunder
14. Phoenix Suns
15. Memphis Grizzlies
26 Aug 2019 13:05:30
Favorite player at each position?
My list
PG - Kemba Walker
SG - Victor Oladipo
SF- Lebron James
PF - Lauri Markannen
C - KAT
1.) 26 Aug 2019 13:56:15
Pg: Fox / Lillard
Sg: oladipo/ k leonard
Sf:p george/ doncic
Pf:porzingis/ giannis antetoukompo
C: m turner/ d cousins.
2.) 26 Aug 2019 16:21:16
Fox
Thompson
K. Leonard
Durant
Embiid.
3.) 26 Aug 2019 17:28:40
Lillard, virtual tie: Curry
Klay, Second: McCollum
Giannis (what position does he actually play? I'm putting him here), Second: Leonard
Blake Griffin, Second: Draymond (on the court while in control, off he seems like a douche)
Gobert, Second Robin Lopez (entertainment value, not necessarily play on the court)
4.) 27 Aug 2019 00:57:52
This is preference right?
Pg Rose tied with Westbrook
Sg Since Kobe, only Wade is my bet on SG and since he just retired i have to select one and Mitchell will be my choice
Sf Kawhi Leonard
Pf Greek Freak
Ce Joker.
5.) 27 Aug 2019 03:45:14
Irving
Klay
James
Davis
Howard.
19 Aug 2019 15:10:05
Who would you build your team around?
Guards
Fox - Young - Morant
Forwards
Zion - Doncic- Tatum
Big Man
Ayton - Bagley - JJJ
1.) 19 Aug 2019 16:35:33
Fox
Doncic
None? I can't have Collins or Markkanen? If I have to pick one of those 3, I guess Ayton.
Forward seems like the easiest pick unless you're completely sold on Zion. I think he'll be good, but I'd take the known quality of Doncic.
2.) 19 Aug 2019 17:47:08
FOX/ TATUM/ BAGLEY.
Like I am not going to take the 2 Kings. Hello?
I would be tempted to take JJJ over Bagley thou in order to have the best defensive combination. Ayton reminds me too much of WCS with a jumper.
3.) 19 Aug 2019 19:19:53
Ayton reminds me of Kanter. But he could end up somewhere around KAT too.
That scares me away from him, but the other two don't have the feel of anything more than a solid role player center (Steven Adams type guy) .
None make me feel great about the pick as a "building block". Not sure any can be a top 3 player on a championship team. I feel that the guards and forwards can get there.
4.) 19 Aug 2019 20:29:53
I think (praying? ) Bagley's second year will be around 18/ 8. That is Chris Bosh/ Kevin Love 3rd wheel level.
5.) 19 Aug 2019 21:16:59
That's fair. I'll admit that I didn't watch an enormous amount of Kings or Grizz games, so it's not like I watched Bagley and JJJ that much (maybe 10 games each) .
I'm definitely hoping and praying for a massive step forward by Zach Collins (and Simons) too, so I get your feelings for this year. I'm hoping for a 14/ 8 year, with 38/ 50/ 80 shooting percentages.
17 Oct 2019 23:13:43
Bad for Magic. If Magic are going to include Isaac in a trade for a young PG I see them going for White or Sexton.
10 Oct 2019 00:34:47
Why for either team?
14 Sep 2019 22:42:06
Gotta include Garland or Sexton.
13 Sep 2019 23:58:20
Or they can just release him if that happens.
02 Sep 2019 06:41:16
Lebron isn’t in Kobe’s shadow at all.