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16 Oct 2021 00:51:41
One sneaky team I could see make a push for Zion

Hawks - Zion Satoranksy and Valanciunas

Pels - Hunter Okongwu Reddish Capela and 2/3 1sts

Very similar to the AD trade, depends on if Nola demand Collins only in return. If so Hawks can take back a first or two and send Capela to a third team for a SG




1.) 16 Oct 2021 02:01:06
Umm. Nope.

2.) 16 Oct 2021 03:15:38
Hawks got to give up John Collins in a package than Pelicans will say yes.



16 Oct 2021 00:42:59
Pels - Lillard and Roco

Blazers - Ingram Lewis Hayes Satoranksy 2 1sts and 2 future swaps




1.) 16 Oct 2021 02:01:29
Umm. Yepp.



15 Oct 2021 14:54:26
Wizards - Simmons Maxey and 2/3 1sts
76ers - Beal

Wizards - Neismtih and 1st
Celtics - Hachimura


- Wizards get a younger all star to fit a rebuilding timeline. Simmons wouldn't have a big media attention there. Bryant is a great big to play along him due to his strecthing ability. The Dinwiddie fit would be questionable but could still be decent


1.) 15 Oct 2021 21:07:21
It's a steep price but I like Hachimura for Boston.

2.) 15 Oct 2021 22:02:20
celtics want to hold off and see what nesmith turns into with two elite developing scorers 3 and d's are extremely valuable which nesmith could be at a very high level if he fulfills his potential.

3.) 16 Oct 2021 00:24:06
Wizards are robbing the 76ers in that trade. maybe if Washington sends the 2-3 first round picks to Philly it would be more balanced. Maxey is not a throw in, he has the potential as an above average passer and a very good 3 level scorer.



14 Oct 2021 05:22:16
What if there was a Irving & Westbrook swap?

OKC trio back at it

Kyrie & Lebron back together plus AD




1.) 14 Oct 2021 08:17:49
Nets say no Kevin Durant doesn’t want Russell Westbrook doesn’t help them to complete for championship and plus they’re rivals they going against each other Nets will never do a deal with Lakers you’re so crazy!

2.) 14 Oct 2021 09:53:02
The nets and the lakers are rivals?? lmao

3.) 14 Oct 2021 11:23:43
Good idea - in NY Irving will not play this season - also if Nets get less back in Westbrook - at least they have a starter - if Kyrie is happy in LA, I do not know - but a least he is allowed to play - and will get his money : )

4.) 14 Oct 2021 13:55:33
Never knew I could be crazy for giving a What If? Situation lol.

5.) 14 Oct 2021 14:13:14
If the Lakers had a guarantee that Kyrie wouldn't retire, then this trade makes perfect sense for both sides. Maybe Kyrie would want to honor Kobe by suiting up for the Lakers. However, I think he'd rather retire than play with LeBron again.

6.) 14 Oct 2021 14:56:21
LA passed a mandate as well, so he couldn’t play there either.

7.) 14 Oct 2021 15:51:42
@Bmiller proof of a negative c.v. test allows you to play at Staples Center. Kyrie could play there, he'd just have to get tested all the time.

8.) 14 Oct 2021 22:15:45
Passed on Oct 7th

Los Angeles became the third city to pass a sweeping c.v. vax mandate that will impact its NBA and NHL teams, joining New York and San Francisco.

The ordinance, which was passed on Wednesday, will go into effect November 29.

Starting that day, anyone entering, among other facilities, indoor gyms, including Staples Center, the home of the NBA’s Los Angeles Lakers and LA Clippers and National Hockey League’s Los Angeles Kings, will have to be fully vaccinated, meaning 14 days past their last dose of the c.v. vax.

Both the Lakers and Clippers said last month that their teams are, or are in the process of being, fully vaccinated. The NHL’s Kings also said they are fully vaccinated as a team.

As it is in New York, there is an exemption in L. A. for “non-resident performers, ” meaning the mandate will apply only to members of the Lakers and Clippers and not to players on opposing teams.

9.) 14 Oct 2021 22:18:14
The positive test results exception applies to GUESTS, not to actually Lakers and Clippers team members.

10.) 14 Oct 2021 22:44:35
@Fredman, the LA Times: "Yet in Los Angeles, an unvaccinated Laker or Clipper could apparently still take part in home games, provided they provide proof of a negative test to comply with the county health order as it applies to Staples Center. "



13 Oct 2021 02:17:02
4 team blockbuster

76ers - Lillard
- Gets their 2nd superstar next to Embiid. Immediately East favorites next to Nets

Nuggets - Irving and Thybulle
- Gets a better PG who's healthy and can help contend this year. Thybulle gives them much needed elite wing defense

Nets - Simmons and Morris
- Gets an allstar who can play all home games and elite defender. I think a small ball lineup with Durant/Simmons at 4/5 could do damage in small spurts

Blazers - Murray Maxey 1st via Phi & 1st via Den
- Blazers works towards bottoming out this year like Bmiller would prefer. Murray out this year would help. That's gives them a top pick next year plus a young all star PG returning. Not to mention 2 1sts and another young combo guard






1.) 13 Oct 2021 04:21:51
Valuewise, good. But it will not happen.

2.) 13 Oct 2021 10:27:09
Would Irving want to play in Denver?

Portland needs more draicks.

3.) 13 Oct 2021 15:34:44
Not worth the risk if you're Denver. Kyrie is way too much of a wildcard. It'd be a devastating blow to the franchise if they gave up that package and Kyrie decided to retire.




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16 Oct 2021 00:37:34
What's best move for Pelicans?

Trade Zion for giant haul

Package Ingram + players + picks for another superstar

Or just let the young team grow and develop and risk Zions impatience




04 Oct 2021 18:47:24
Predict the top 5 rookies stats

Cade(starting PG) 17/5/6
Green(starting SG) 20/2/3
Mobley(starting PF) 13/8/1
Barnes(6th man) 9/7/5
Suggs(starting SG) 15/3/5


1.) 04 Oct 2021 19:42:17
Don’t think Green will get enough touches to score 20 ppg with KPJ and Wood in the picture.

2.) 04 Oct 2021 20:19:26
KPJ said in interview that he wants to be more of a facilitator this season, wants to avg 10 assists (might not happen)
If Anthony Edwards can put up 19/ 20 a game I don’t why Green couldn’t.

3.) 04 Oct 2021 22:26:12
KPJ saying he wants to average 10 assists per game is the equivalent of him saying he’s going to spend a lot of time with the ball in his hands. Green seems like more of a volume scorer to me, and it might be hard to get that volume when playing with another ball dominant guard. Edwards was the second option and lead guard once Dlo got hurt, which partly explains his production. I’m not saying there’s no way Green averages 20, but I’d bet on the under.

4.) 05 Oct 2021 01:09:24
Wood is good but this is Green/ KPJ team. Mostly going to build around Green.



24 Sep 2021 18:01:53
Serious question.. with stars that don't/can't shoot very well at all like Giannis and Zion what's the problem with Ben? Y'all praise them but absolutely hate on Simmons Bc he doesn't shoot as much or shoot 3's(which imo is Bc of the Sixers staff).

I'm not saying he has the value of those but Ben will always be the superior playmaker over them too while being a way better defender than Zion. All star in 3/4 seasons.

16/8/8 plus elite defense in first 4 years is great. Once he goes to a new team that gives him confidence and will be behind him all the way, I believe he can reach most of his potential.


1.) 24 Sep 2021 18:48:50
And don’t say Giannis is a respectable shooter when he % is the same as Westbrook (who teams slack off and don’t respect his jumper as well)

2.) 24 Sep 2021 19:47:20
Show me when Giannis turned down a dunk out of fear of being fouled and shooting FTs. Same with Zion.

I give Giannis more respect because he has worked on that portion of his game with notable improvement almost every season. Simmons has not.

You can "believe he will reach his potential" all you want. But it is just as likely that where he is now IS his potential. Just not sure a team can build around that.

3.) 24 Sep 2021 21:23:24
That one play might be the most overblown moment in sports history. But also, if you bench a guy, you will make him second guess each move. It’s on Doc as much as Ben for wrecking his confidence in that series.

But I agree with one caveat. He can’t play PG. He just can’t. If he can accept that truth, he’ll be fine. If he refuses to change, he’ll still be a really good player, but never be as good as he could be. He can’t be trusted as the primary ball handler in the closing moments of a game (neither can Embiid, that’s why they’re a bad fit together) .

He also doesn’t have the top end peak that Giannis or Zion have. But those guys have top 20 all time peaks (Giannis is already there, and you can just see it in Zion) . Simmons gets crap because he’ll never be a #1. But people need to understand that it’s ok to just be really really good. Not everyone can be all time great.

4.) 24 Sep 2021 22:09:30
Fredman how about you compare situations. When Bucks got swept by the Heat, the bucks fans and organization didn’t completely bash him. They stood behind him, added more pieces for him, and continued to encourage him rather than give up. Philly fans have to be one of the worst in sports.

Put Ben Simmons on a small market team like them 2 (teams that aren’t use to stars either) and he will do great because those small market fans will continue to stand behind him and not continually do the opposite.

The 76ers were a 1 seed for a reason, not just Bc Embiid.

5.) 25 Sep 2021 00:52:56
So you are making the argument that Simmons is mentally soft while Giannis and Zion are not. Interesting strategy, Cotton.

6.) 25 Sep 2021 01:10:42
Didn’t people say the same thing about Lebron? That he was mentally weak?

And has Zion ever been put in a situation to prove his mettle?

7.) 25 Sep 2021 03:50:49
So if you’re on a big market team and the entire organization and fan base is against you and bashing you, you’re saying you’d still have your confidence and be strong minded? Tough guy.

Never once did I mention Zion or Giannis mindset. I simply stated small market teams will be behind their star players Bc they don’t see them as often as these bigger market teams.

8.) 25 Sep 2021 06:44:24
If my potential is being an Allstar every year, elite playmaker and dpoy candidate (also prolly one of the most versatile defenders in the game) I’d be very happy. Just because he isn’t a dominant scorer doesn’t mean he’s not a star. He’s just not a superstar.

9.) 25 Sep 2021 08:27:33
He is a younger Draymobd Green. 3rd wheel of a championship team. But you aren't really going anywhere with him unless you have Thompson and Curry to play with him.

10.) 25 Sep 2021 09:05:39
Ben Simmons for Ja Morant + Steven Adams + 2022 unprotected first.

11.) 25 Sep 2021 10:30:55
Idk where this narrative started that the fans and franchise didn’t support him.
Year 1: they cause zero fuss about him sitting the whole season so he can win ROY (broke foot in camp)
Year 2: shooting less than he did in college and summer league but who cares cause we made the playoffs for the first time in years. Lose to the Celtics in the 2nd round in part because Ben has no half court O
Year 3: trade for Jimmy to mitigate Ben’s issues cause he’s still not shooting. Ben chases Jimmy out of town cause they both want to be primary ball handler in the playoffs. One is better at it than the other. Lose in 7 to the raptors in part because Ben has no half court O. Sixers choose Ben over Jimmy
Year 4: now shooting less than he did in year 1 but the team and at least half the fan base are STILL defending him. Whole year sucked for everyone.
Year 5: still not shooting and and doc is basically calling anyone who thinks Ben needs to shoot an idiot cause he’s elite in everything else. they lose again in the 2nd round. This time to an inferior team in part because on top of having no offensive game, he now is scared to do anything except defend. THEN the franchise and fan base turns on him.
So if losing faith after 5 years with no progress is out of line, when would it be ok to try to trade him?

12.) 25 Sep 2021 10:33:57
Even in game 7 of that god awful series he was having the entire arena CHEERED him as he walked to the line to miss 2 more. Don’t make this about the fans and franchise. This all could have been prevented if 1 person decided he wanted to be better at his job.

13.) 25 Sep 2021 12:27:40
@NBA16. If Ben is all that, then where are the trade rumors that have him coming to your team? Why are you not giving up your best player to get him? Your silence speaks volumes.

Does Ben Simmons make the All-Star team in the West? Probably would have to beat out Draymond Green for one of the last spots as a PF because he is not going to make it as a (point) guard.

Now, if Ben was being traded to Portland to play with Lillard and McCollum, then it makes all the sense in the world and Portland would give up young players and picks without hesitancy. The problem is that the 76ers want win-now talent in return, so teams are not going to be able to build that 3-star superteam which makes Ben Simmons less attractive. So the reason that 76ers are getting "garbage" offers is partially Ben's fault for not developing a jump shot and partially the FO's fault in what it wants back in return.

14.) 25 Sep 2021 17:22:01
My silence is Bc you’re weak knowledge is showing.

15.) 25 Sep 2021 17:23:39
There aren’t rumors with Simmons coming to Memphis Bc 1. We don’t have anyone to get him. 76ers wouldn’t want JJJ or Brooks etc. the goal would be to pair him with Morant

2. He wants to be in Cali, not Memphis.


16.) 25 Sep 2021 18:07:25
Ja + Adams + picks should get it done. Especially if Adams could be sent to a third team.

17.) 25 Sep 2021 18:29:34
That’s dumb though Fred. The point of trading for any star is to pair them with your existing star. Example, I wouldn’t trade Dame for Harden or AD or Durant. Because, what’s the point?

I’d trade McCollum for Simmons though, because I think Simmons is better than McCollum (who is a borderline star at absolute best) . And I think (hope) that Powell could take over 90%+ of what CJ does.

18.) 25 Sep 2021 18:56:25
Exactly Bmiller.

19.) 25 Sep 2021 20:33:06
If you won't trade Fox than Morant is for sure not being traded. Considering his 1st two years were better and he’s already leading us to playoffs.

20.) 27 Sep 2021 14:38:46
Late to this conversation but I think Ben gets disrespected mostly due to his lack of aggression. More often than not, he’s not looking for his own shot. Guys like Giannis and Zion are always in attack mode. Simmons also unfairly gets compared to LeBron, which leads to him getting a lot of criticism because he’s not the freak athlete or scorer that Bron is. I think he’s a very good player, but the media wants him to be something he isn’t. If he could just become a league average shooter, he’d be putting up 20+ ppg. I hope he takes that next step, but it’s discouraging that so little progress has been made in that regard so far.

21.) 27 Sep 2021 15:33:07
Zion is always in attack mode Bc he’s a scorer. The only thing he’s elite at is finishing around the rim.

22.) 28 Sep 2021 14:05:36
@NBA16 that’s true. People like to see that aggression though, that’s a big reason why Kobe was so popular imo. Ben’s style gets ridiculed by casual fans because he’s rarely in attack mode like that. It’s not fair to him, but that’s the way it is.



10 Sep 2021 02:05:45
What happen to MD wanting to leave


1.) 10 Sep 2021 02:52:11
I called it two days ago. He’s pulled that I’m outta here crap before.

2.) 10 Sep 2021 19:50:33
They always come back. Myself included 🤦‍♂️.

3.) 11 Sep 2021 02:42:18
And sometimes we get baited back.



09 Sep 2021 05:23:39
Who you got? Prime matchups

Howard or Embiid
Melo or PG
Bosh or Siakam
CP3 or Dame


1.) 09 Sep 2021 07:49:27

2.) 09 Sep 2021 08:33:58

3.) 09 Sep 2021 08:35:10
Bosh or Siakam?? Lmao

4.) 09 Sep 2021 08:55:25

5.) 09 Sep 2021 14:31:47
People really don't know how nice prime Dwight was. His defense was out of this world.

6.) 09 Sep 2021 19:09:59
I chose Howard Bc he led his team to the finals as the best player and beating Bron. The best rebounder and defender when he played in prime plus could still drop 20ppg.

7.) 09 Sep 2021 19:47:11
That 20ppg was on offensive rebounds and alley oops. Dwight was never a skilled offensive player and his defense doesn’t make up that difference against Embiid.

8.) 09 Sep 2021 21:04:48
NBA16 said it best: Dwight took his team to the finals. Not only that but he did it with no all-stars on his team.

9.) 09 Sep 2021 21:34:46
In today's NBA Ebiid always beats Howard.

10.) 09 Sep 2021 22:34:12
Smuro, his defense and “non skilled” offense led his team to a final.

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12.) 10 Sep 2021 11:29:49
Not Siakam lmao.

13.) 11 Sep 2021 00:04:25
In fairness to Pascal, he did get named to allNBA 2nd team in his 3rd season, Bosh didn't reach that peak until his 5th. Siakam won a MIP that Bosh never did. Bosh obviously has more allstar appearances and career achievements than Siakam, but SpicyP has only played in the league for 5 years.
So yes, I take Bosh over Siakam, but it's not as cut and dried as you might think, and may not hold over the course of Siakam's career.




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15 Oct 2021 22:39:26
Raptors just resigned Trent who is a younger and pretty similar player to Hield. Raps would need more.




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15 Oct 2021 19:05:17
Hield falls into that “another all star type player” category?




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15 Oct 2021 16:17:26
I like for both teams.




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15 Oct 2021 14:49:14
Harris gets you 2 1sts?




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14 Oct 2021 17:15:55
Not better than the PG package.





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