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24 May 2020 22:19:21
A variation of something I saw on here previously.

Bulls a get Gordon, Ross
***Id love to see a Gordon and Lavine pairing. They could bring some excitement to Chicago. To make them more effective, Ross adds spacing. They won't be contenders yet, but this team could grow together for a few more years and add another piece or two.

Magic get Paul, Burton, Gafford
***If I'm Orlando, and I have Fultz, I'm looking at what Paul accomplished in OKC sharing the backcourt with SGA. I want that for the Magic. They need to provide Isaac more minutes at the 4 and they need to get more out of their roster. Paul can do exactly what he did in okc this season and this is a successful trade.

OKC gets Porter Jr., Aminu, Bulls 2021 first
***OKC can stick Shai at the point and beef up their wings, but this trade is about cutting long term salary and adding another pick. Porter can stay for less if he wants or leave after one more year. Aminu can provide valuable 3/4 depth without taking away too many minutes from Bazley. That Bulls pick comes in a great draft class and provides more ammo for the rebuild.



1.) 24 May 2020 23:02:47
Overpayment for Paul.

2.) 25 May 2020 09:58:49
Bulls would not trade a draft steal in Gafford before his 2nd year.



20 May 2020 19:53:24
Warriors get Adams, 2-3 firsts via OKC (2020 Denver, one clips 1st, one rockets 1st)
***Warriors would be a fantastic fit for Adams. Adams wouldn't have to score; just rebound, set picks, play D. They were also exposed for lack of depth this year. This will give them multiple years of cheap young talent to fill out their squad. Adams has one more year left and could be regained for less money. He's still young with plenty of years left.

Thunder get Warriors top pick this year, Wiggins
***Wiggins is a guy well suited for OKC. He can come in and pan out, and it would help win games with Paul helping mentor him. He could come in and flop, Thunder move Paul for assets, and the youth movement continues. The major get is the top pick which could pair another blue chip prospect with Shai. Thoughts?


1.) 20 May 2020 20:55:30
Adams isn’t that better than Wiggins. He’s definitely not a first overall pick better.

2.) 20 May 2020 21:27:47
Again, why trade for Adams and not just draft Wiseman?

3.) 21 May 2020 00:08:30
Fredman because Adams is second best defensive center in the game and sets picks and passes well. He is a more mobile bogus that thrived in gsw. Also getting rid of Wiggins contract is a win. They will have to give up a first to get rid of Wiggins just to get average guy back.

4.) 21 May 2020 02:56:00
The second best defensive center in the NBA?!? Adams?!? What? Just. What?

5.) 21 May 2020 11:52:58
Shiller, you could argue that strictly on defense, he’s the second best defensive center on his own team.



22 Apr 2020 12:42:42
I may be in the minority, but I think this summer is time to trade Chris Paul. Mainly, bc I think he deserves a ring and the value is rebuilt enough to justify such a contract splurge. The right team could pounce. I have three teams that come to mind as possibilities, and I want to know the package you think is realistic. Or if you can think of a better team for him.

Chicago Bulls
-Have a few bigger contracts and an otherwise young team who like the Thunder could use his culture building and leadership. East team.
-A package would include some combo of: Porter, Felicio, Satoransky, Young, Hutchinson

New York Knicks
-They have the Leon Rose connection, a bunch of big contracts that expire sooner than Paul. Same as above otherwise with Bulls.
-A package could include some combo of: Randle, Portis, Gibson, Ellington, Payton, Knox

Milwaukee Bucks
-They are a legit contender already and have less tradeable big contracts to match, but they'd give him the best chance to win and could be a great fit.
-A package could include some combo of: Bledsoe, B. Lopez, Illyasova

My prediction:

Okc gets Randle, Portis, Payton, Knox, one of the Mavs picks

Knicks get Paul, Muscala, Nader, Burton

***OKC probably wants a pick and a young player bc of Paul's season, and I think this is the best combo they could hope for. That Mavs pick won't be super valuable and Knox has been a disappointment. But maybe the Mavs pick turns into something. And maybe Knox flourishes with a change of scenery?

***Knicks aren't giving up a TON to get Paul when you really look at their core. Most of these guys leaving weren't going to be there long term. But this move helps the young guys (Robinson, Trier, Barrett, Smith Jr.) and it helps open the door for bringing some names to New York.

Thoughts? What's a deal you could see?


1.) 22 Apr 2020 14:07:36
Cp3 played well. I don’t see a contender affording him. I hate to see in knicks uniform.

2.) 22 Apr 2020 14:09:43
I still don’t think anyone is giving up a young player (even a disappointing one) and a pick for Paul. He’s still in his mid thirties and owed two years 80+ million.

My opinion: his value has resurged to expiring contracts. But no more.

3.) 22 Apr 2020 14:28:58
How can he get a ring in NY?

4.) 22 Apr 2020 22:07:44
Salt Lakers, pawn shop. Pretty sure some old Knicks have had to hauk their rings to pay off debts.



14 Apr 2020 22:25:45
Fill in the blank.

OKC gets Buddy Hield

Sacramento gets _______________

I feel like if Sac town is planning to pay Bogdanovic, they may end up being willing to move Hield. Hield played college ball in Oklahoma, and he could be a nice fit in OKC. I'm certain OKC has the necessary pieces for a win-win deal with the Kings. So what does it take?

Let me know what you think.


1.) 14 Apr 2020 23:22:58
Steven Adams and other compensation if y’all want to add.

2.) 15 Apr 2020 00:27:13
Adams and dort plus a 1st would do.

3.) 15 Apr 2020 02:21:36
The only hing on OKC's roster that interests me is SGA. So SGA and OKC's 2021 first rounder.

4.) 15 Apr 2020 06:42:55
Okc get heals and a pick for sga.

5.) 15 Apr 2020 14:31:58
I agree that SGA probably has the most value for Sac but no way okc moves him. They’d want to pair the two.

6.) 15 Apr 2020 15:23:04
I think it probably has to be a 3 team trade. OKC has picks, but they don’t have a big expiring contract to line up a trade like that. So it would have to include Adams. I don’t think Sacramento would really want Adams much. He is about the same as Holmes, but paid 5x as much.

So either whatever Adams can get plus a first from OKC. Or Adams and two firsts for Hield.

7.) 15 Apr 2020 17:39:35
BMiller, 2 high firsts. 2 of their stockade of late firsts from Clippers, Rockets and Miami will not get it done.



10 Apr 2020 16:18:48
Would love to see a deal like this.

Jazz get Carter Jr, Sato, Young
Bulls get Gobert

Jazz seem to be headed for a breakup with Gobert, and he’s a fantastic anchor down low that could be a first move to help establish an identity and new beginning. He’s also a good fit next to Markkanen who should stick around if used correctly.

Jazz get a fresh start with a great young prospect and a couple pieces to help bolster depth. Or they could flip those for different things to make better fits.

I’d also like to see them next go after Paul from okc. He could also be a nice fit with that roster and further create a good identity and form a great culture which is needed.

Bulls get CP3, 2020 Denver 1st
Okc gets Porter, White

Losing White hurts, but I think it’s a win for the franchise as it catapults their culture and immediate outlook. Okc probably gets worse today for a better tomorrow. The pick is a sweetener.

Bulls could make more moves, but they could draft a top SF like Okoro or Avdija and trot out a lineup of:




1.) 10 Apr 2020 17:12:15
I like the first trade. It helps them take the next step and Gobert still has a lot left in the tank. I don’t see the second, I think Paul is just too old for that team to go after. They wouldn’t be a title contender with him and you wouldn’t get much time to build one.

2.) 10 Apr 2020 17:13:31
Okc getting too much.

3.) 10 Apr 2020 18:00:04
Utah would need the Bulls 2020 pick. Two ok young players isn’t getting the two time reigning DPOY.

4.) 10 Apr 2020 19:26:57

Omg why are rubbing the bulls?

5.) 10 Apr 2020 19:49:06
Was thinking a gobert-adams swap may be interesting.

6.) 10 Apr 2020 21:49:28
Fredman - I agree but okc doesn’t get value. No pick that trade won’t happen.




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03 Apr 2020 14:31:54
Ok this is just for fun. I'd love to see someone high up in the Pistons organization to create a modern day Bad Boys Pistons roster. Help me complete the team and offer up deals to get these guys in place...

PG - Beverly ($12M)
SG - Kennard ($4M)
SF - Butler ($33M)
PF - Green ($19M)
C - Adams ($25M)
6th man - PJ Tucker ($9M)

That's an expensive team. So maybe some suggestions on changing the lineup as well? Remember. Just for fun.


1.) 03 Apr 2020 17:29:07
Snell (opts in) +Lakers 2nd for Beverley
Griffin+Svi+Sekou+'21 DET 1st+'23 top 10 protected 1st DET for Butler
McRae (s&t) +Rose+DET '20 1st rd player+'24 2nd DET for Green
S&T Henson+POR 2nd+GSW 2nd for Adams
Maker+'25 2nd DET for Tucker.

2.) 04 Apr 2020 05:11:34
Bad boys had a star pg
Solid sg great defender
Crazy sf
Thug pf
Bigger thug center

Today that be
No thugs left.



07 Mar 2020 00:40:19
Knicks are interested in a Paul trade this summer. They could offer Randle, Portis, Ellington, mayyyybe a couple seconds or something.... but what if OKC tries to pry away something different?

Fill in the blank.

In a Chris Paul to New York deal, it would take _____ picks you the Knicks for OKC to get RJ Barrett back instead of Ellington.

SGA, Schroeder
Ferguson, Dort
Barrett, Diallo
Randle, Bazley
Adams, Portis


1.) 07 Mar 2020 19:55:36
3 or 4.



02 Mar 2020 02:40:09
Not a rumor, but a fun hypothetical. Which of the Big 3 OKC Thunder players is more likely to have a reunion with the team AND (assuming it comes via trade) what should the deal look like?


Okc gets Russ
Rockets get CP3

Okc gets KD
Nets get Adams, Schroeder, 3 firsts

Okc gets Harden
Rockets get Adams, Schroeder, 3 firsts

Thoughts? Ideas? For what it's worth, I don't see any happening, but it's an interesting thought.


1.) 02 Mar 2020 14:54:07
Interesting thought? No, not really.



15 Feb 2020 11:30:53
Draft night last year Okc picked Brandon Clarke and then dealt him for Darius Bazley. Bazley doesn't look horrible, but Clarke looks like a massive steal. Wish we had kept him.

Here's my question. If we had kept Clarke would that have made Gallinari MORE likely to be traded, or would we have still kept him?

Paul, Schroeder
SGA, Diallo
Dort, Ferguson
Gallinari, Clarke
Adams, Noel


1.) 15 Feb 2020 15:53:08
Keep. FO seems yo be about the playoff push. Get farther than where Westbrook could take them.



11 Feb 2020 16:51:46
I have a quick question. I don't know much about the restrictions of the stretch provision. Currently the Thunder are utilizing it for Kyle Singler's contract. Getting under the tax is still something I can see them chasing. If they can use in this year, why not use it on Andre Roberson? They can space it over several years moving forward and it would allow the following:

1. Stretch Dre.
2. Convert Dort's contract and reward him with an extension as well. A 4 year standard rookie deal would be a nice bump for him and a great bargain for the Thunder.
3. Take a flyer on Waiters. Lakers make plenty of sense for him, but OKC could offer a bit more after stretching Dre and could offer him some minutes off the bench.
4. If Taj Gibson becomes a buyout, waive Burton. Sign Gibson.

Paul, Schroder, Waiters
SGA, Diallo, Nader
Dort, Ferguson, Roby
Gallinari, (Bazley), Gibson
Adams, Noel, Muscala

***This roster could be possible with a Dre stretch while still avoiding the tax. They can give Waiters/Gibson minutes and provide Paul, Gallo, Adams with much needed rest days to get them playoff ready.

Thoughts? I feel like this is all doable. Waiters and Gibson have been with OKC previously, so there's a relationship there.


1.) 11 Feb 2020 20:40:15
Stretch has no restrictions that I know of. When you waive a player, you can stretch their salary of any remaining years to double the existing years plus 1.

Roberson wouldn't be able to be stretched because he's on an expiring contract. Only additional years can be stretched.

2.) 12 Feb 2020 02:00:44
The key is that it only stretches REMAINING years. So it does absokutely nothing for Roberson at this stage of the season.

3.) 12 Feb 2020 03:28:58
The only hope for OKC to get under the luxury tax this year is to trade Burton to Knicks for cash considerations after the season ends and before the nrw season begins so that yhe Knicks can waive his 2020 nom guarenteed salary before the deadline.

Things to consider. Knicks have to have an empty roster spot to take on Burton. Also, have to beat other teams who are looking to cut salary at the end of the year. Knicks are the only team with available cap space at the moment (and its not really much) .




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26 May 2020 01:39:44
Rkenne_16, I am a die hard thunder guy. If they grab RJ, they have two young guys under team control for like the next 5-10ish years if they give them 5 year extensions after their rookie deals. SGA proved he has star potential and I think RJ has it too. Both are Canadian and can grow a special chemistry long term. They have tons of picks moving forward. Like a crazy amount. Burning a few for a top asset like Barrett is worth the gamble. They can grow together and hopefully get back to a perennial playoff team. They are a small market and won’t win big FA sweepstakes anytime soon and so getting a young guy under team control is massive. Just my thoughts.




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25 May 2020 16:27:15
I am in the minority, but in a Paul to New York deal that includes the Knicks being willing to move Barrett, OKC will want RJ. and they have the ammo in picks to get him. Instead of a Paul to New York deal that includes picks returning to OKC, OKC attaches 1-2 picks to Paul and gets RJ back to pair with fellow Canadian SGA. I think it’s a win for both sides. The pick could go to Indy if they want Oladipo still.




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15 Apr 2020 14:31:58
I agree that SGA probably has the most value for Sac but no way okc moves him. They’d want to pair the two.




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02 Apr 2020 13:04:36
Ok what about this instead.

Philly gets Paul and Burton
Okc gets Batum, Richardson, Charlotte 1st
Hornets get Horford.




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02 Apr 2020 12:56:27
I think it’s honestly a bit of an overpay. I think Paul in Philly would be huge for their offense. And they have plenty of defense to cover. I’d say a swap of Paul and Burton for Horford and Richardson would be more likely for both teams.





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