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11 Dec 2019 23:08:10
On pti today, tony proposed sending love to the lakers to reunite with LeBron and be the third star. But they'd have to gut the lineup like crazy. What could be interesting is another big who can be the third scorer and fit well with LeBron and AD...

Danilo Gallinari.

But it could still be a love trade involving the lakers if they wait a few more days.

Okc gets Love, Bradley, filler

Lakers get Gallinari, filler

Cavs get green, Dre, kcp, filler

I know the details would need hammered out (what's the filler? Are picks involved?), but the bones I think are interesting.

Thoughts?

ChurchPugh

1.) 11 Dec 2019 23:37:31
The Lakers would have to give up to much of the rotation and they need help at the guard not another big.


2.) 12 Dec 2019 01:23:10
Church- why would okc want Love and cp3 to crush cap space during rebuild.


 

 

10 Dec 2019 16:56:02
Suns get Gallo, McKinnie

Cavs get Johnson, Roberson, Saric, 2020 Denver 1st

Okc gets Love, Osman

Then

Hawks get Adams

Okc gets Crabbe, Len, 2022 first back

Paul, Schroeder, Burton
SGA, Crabbe, Diallo
Ferguson, Osman, Nader
Love, Bazley, Muscala
Noel, Len, Patton

ChurchPugh

1.) 10 Dec 2019 23:25:17
Cavs aren't getting out of Love's contract without giving up picks and/ or players.


2.) 11 Dec 2019 22:48:25
Cavs can give okc picks to unload loves contract but okc isn’t giving Up picks to take on that big contract


 

 

09 Dec 2019 14:10:24
Cavs get Gallinari, Roberson, 2020 Denver 1st
***This gives them even more cap room to start over next season. They could potentially look at adding a third team to the deal and moving Gallo to a contender while adding assets instead. Although. i'd love to see them do 1 year deals in FA and build something next year with the young players and chase big fish summer 2021.

Okc gets Love, Windler
***If Paul can't be dealt, and they are so close to being in the playoffs, why not go for it? They cash in on a few assets but can always flip Love in the off-season. This makes them pretty interesting.

Paul, Schroeder
SGA, Diallo, Burton
Ferguson, Windler, Nader
Love, Bazley, Muscala
Adams, Noel, Patton

Still have lots of picks. This actually puts them beneath the luxury as well.

Thoughts?

ChurchPugh

1.) 09 Dec 2019 15:57:58
Windler isn’t getting traded the Cavs love him (he’s just been hurt, this would put the Cavs in the luxury and even without Windler this feels short.

As is Love > >Gallo and Windler >>>> Roberson and the Denver pick.


2.) 10 Dec 2019 00:45:58
That would be great for both teams. Love's age and huge contract will severely limit the Cavs return.


 

 

06 Dec 2019 13:21:09
Okc gets Parsons, Reddish, their own 2022 pick back

Atl gets Randle, Gallinari, Ellington

Knicks get Turner, Roberson

Okc gets a young guy with a lot of potential, their 2022 pick back that they dealt in the Melo/Schroeder deal, and Parsons (who I think could be a prime buyout candidate).

Atlanta gets some needed reinforcements. I think Atlanta has really underachieved, but they could turn things around before it's too late. I think this gives them some of their biggest needs met: shooting, rebounding, vet leadership.

Knicks should be desperate to find cap space for this summer. They can dump their gm and hand over a roster ready to be filled. This ditches a good chunk of tied up money.

ChurchPugh

1.) 06 Dec 2019 13:26:01
What is OKC giving up that’s what Reddish and a first? Take out Reddish and this makes more sense to me.


2.) 06 Dec 2019 13:58:52
OKC doesn't need their 2022 pick back. Its protected so if they are still tanking and rebuilding they will still get it. They need to get other teams 1st round picks not their own.


3.) 06 Dec 2019 16:07:30
Hate to say this, but bad trade for the Knicks. Yup, I'm going to hell.


4.) 07 Dec 2019 03:42:06
I don’t want reddish anyway if you look everyone is talking about some of the 1st round upsetting rookies and he was on the list


5.) 07 Dec 2019 14:26:34
Fire Mills. trade everyone but Barrett, Knox, Morris and Robinson.


 

 

06 Dec 2019 12:00:11
The Paul trade I keep coming back to is this

Mavs get Paul, Nader, Burton, Denver 1st

Okc gets Hayward, Jackson, Ojeleye

Celtics get Hardaway, Lee, 2 seconds via okc

Mavs get a big name and a floor spacer for Doncic. Okc gets under the luxury and Hayward fits better. Celtics can be bigger players in FA this summer and fee wing reinforcements.

How far off is value?

ChurchPugh

1.) 06 Dec 2019 15:03:56
Why would Boston give up possibly its best player just for the possibility of having a few more dollars to chase someone in a weak free agent group seven months from now? If anything the Celtics are going to try to RE-SIGN Hayward when he's up.

Any Boston deals would have to be at the margins -- Ojeyele, Kanter, one of the kids.

I like the deal for OKC, though.


2.) 07 Dec 2019 14:45:10
OKC hangs up phone.


 

 

 

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11 Dec 2019 13:32:04
The more I consider potential deals, the Okc Thunder to me are the weirdest team (outside of the Knicks this year) . They could be sellers of course.

Potential players to be moved:
Paul
Gallinari
Adams
Roberson (expiring)
Noel
Maybe more

They could also end up being buyers as they currently sit in the playoff race and may not like offers on the above players. They have plenty of picks and assets. A playoff run after having the fan base sell off their franchise guys could be huge for the team.

What are some deals?

ChurchPugh

1.) 11 Dec 2019 15:25:26
Bazemore and a first for Gallinari seems like a likely move. Maybe throw in Trent and Noel too?


2.) 11 Dec 2019 18:20:14
The chances of them being buyers are very slim. Everything Presti is saying is pointing to rebuild. The only way they go for it is if they trade Gallo very soon they are still winning looking like a playoff team and can't get good trades for Schroder, Adams, Paul. If gallo is the only 1 they trade and they are still winning then they may go for it at the trade deadline, but they still won't give up a lot of assets to become winners.


 

 

05 Dec 2019 14:48:15
Okc has oodles of picks. But since they are most likely to get worse before they get better, they need their own picks.

Currently their 2020 pick could convey to Philly. Their 2022 pick could convey to Atl.

Can someone tell me some possible deals to allow Okc to get their picks back?

Thanks. And please. Serious suggestions only.

ChurchPugh

1.) 05 Dec 2019 15:20:46
I don't see any way that the 2020 pick is conveyed. It's top 20 protected, then turns into two second rounders. So no reason to try to get that one back.

The 2022 pick is top 14 protected, so if they expect to be a lottery team then, again, no reason to worry.


2.) 05 Dec 2019 15:49:27
If you really want the 2022 pick back, maybe something built around a Adams for Parsons and the pick? Would be good if OKC wanted to shed Adams' future salary and couldn't find a better offer (not sure they can) .

I wouldn't overpay for it though, since you're trading for a pick that is guaranteed to NOT be a lottery pick.


3.) 05 Dec 2019 21:38:40
With the protections on both of those picks they just need to focus on getting other teams picks and adding to their collection. If their picks they don't have are valuable they keep them.


4.) 07 Dec 2019 13:35:41
Agree with rlc, if they’ve turned it around that quickly, who cares about one pick.


 

 

14 Nov 2019 02:09:35
Any guesses on who pounces on a Knicks fire sale in December when those recently signed guys become available?

Randle. Portis. Morris. Gibson.

No way they keep all 4. And that's just the pricy bigs. Makes me wonder if everyone not named RJ will be made available.

So who has feasible suggestions? Big on the Thunder (and we do have $32M in expiring between Gallo and Roberson to offer)

ChurchPugh

1.) 14 Nov 2019 15:14:44
Portland makes sense. Collins is likely done for the season. They NEED a PF (unless Little can step into that role, which he did last night) .


 

 

24 Oct 2019 22:55:35
If Miami wants to keep Bam and Herro + get a pick(s)... what about something like this?

Miami gets Paul, Schroeder, Roberson, Hernangomez, 1st via Charlotte
-They get Paul who should be fun in Miami (if he's healthy). Schroeder is a bad contract but should be nice Paul insurance should he miss time. Dre could be a good D wing plus a big expiring. This brings a first for taking on Paul + gives their cap a haircut. They can sign a minimum guy to fill out the roster.

Charlotte gets Dragic, Johnson, Leonard
-They offload that bad Batum contract. Dragic and Leonard combine for $30M in expiring money. But this also brings in some toughness and playmaking that the Hornets desperately needs along with a much needed change up.

Thunder get Batum, Winslow, Waiters, Kidd-Gilchrist
-Paul just doesn't fit here and doesn't deserve this at this point in his career. They swap one bad contract for another, but pickup some wing enforcements in the process. Winslow can be the backup point and Shai can start. They move Paul without giving a pick.

Shai, Winslow, Burton
Ferguson, Diallo, Waiters
Batum, MKG, Nader
Gallinari, Bazley, Muscala
Adams, Noel, Patton

ChurchPugh

1.) 25 Oct 2019 00:47:32
Only good for the Thunder.


2.) 25 Oct 2019 02:10:44
Miami also wants to keep Winslow.

OKC is not going to get anything "positive" for Chris Paul besides some expiring deals. Not unless he starts posting double-doubles every night.


 

 

01 Aug 2019 18:14:32
Okc bought out Patterson and could stretch whatever is left to duck the luxury tax. Might be done making moves.

Patterson signing with Clips.

ChurchPugh

1.) 10 Aug 2019 14:24:16
They aren't done making moves they still have to fill 1 more roster spot before the start of the season. which would put them a lil over the luxury tax again. But after signing someone they could wait till Dec 15 to start making more moves to get below tax.


 

 

 

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11 Dec 2019 13:33:55
I think Okc can do better.

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09 Dec 2019 16:49:46
I bet the bulls start selling for cap in the hopes of luring AD if there season doesn’t look like it ends in a playoff run.

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08 Dec 2019 03:32:12
Shizzee didn’t add him to deal. Sorry for confusion. Just left him off the lineup entirely as I believe he’s done for the year.

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07 Dec 2019 20:05:36
Don’t hate it for okc but I’d rather see this lineup.

SGA, Schroeder, Payton
Reddick, Diallo, Burton
Bazley, Ellington, Nader
Gallo, Portis, Muscala
Noel, Gibson, Patton.

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01 Dec 2019 01:47:46
If I’m the Thunder, I want Saric added or subbed for the first in this deal.

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