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19 Oct 2019 07:21:35
Rumor has it Sabonis is on the trade block. I want him back in okc! What about this?

Orlando gets Gallinari, Nader

Indy gets Isaac, Denver 1st

Okc gets Sabonis, Fournier

ChurchPugh

1.) 19 Oct 2019 09:31:39
I think it's a fair trade for Indy.

I can't see Orlando doing this.


2.) 19 Oct 2019 12:40:42
For Orlando, they are built around their two bigs: Vucevic, Gordon. They now have a super interesting piece in Fultz. They have a few good shooters on the wings, but giving them a big who can spread the floor will make it that much easier to help Fultz be successful. I also think that Isaac will never get his due in Orlando. Gordon and Gallinari are both ideally 4s, but I think their different skill sets will allow them to be on the floor at the same time. But I appreciate the feedback.


 

 

18 Oct 2019 15:20:41
Heat get Paul, Roberson, Ojeleye
-> They add Paul which has been long rumored without moving Bam, Herro, or Winslow. Roberson if healthy is an all nba level defensive wing. Ojeleye is cheap.

Celtics get Dragic, Olynyk, Jones
-> I think Olynyk played his best basketball for Boston and fits well still. He can be a nice fit at the 4 or 5. Dragic can be a better version of what they lost in Rozier. Jones is cheap but give another wing option. This also opens up $20M for Brown or someone else this summer.

Thunder get Hayward, Waiters, Edwards
-> OKC wants at least one asset for Paul and get a good one in Edwards... I know Boston likes him, but realistically I don't see him getting a ton of playing time. This comes with two negative contracts, but I think the fit is better than Paul. This also balances the team and deepens the bench.

SGA, Schroeder, Edwards
Ferguson, Waiters, Burton
Hayward, Diallo, Nader
Gallinari, Bazley, Muscala
Adams, Noel, Patton

ChurchPugh

1.) 18 Oct 2019 17:00:50
Is Waiters a negative contract? I don't think he is.


2.) 18 Oct 2019 21:50:47
The Celtics are not trading Hayward and they want no interest in Olynyk.


3.) 19 Oct 2019 04:29:25
If Waiters can stay healthy I would say its not really negative, but he can't stay healthy. There r definitley some contracts that r worse. He makes bout 12 mil a year and hasn't played more than 50 games a season the past 3 seasons.


 

 

17 Oct 2019 14:15:02
This is just a hypothetical one I've been thinking about a lot lately. Especially now that Beal has committed to Washington and probably wants them to be competitive.

Phoenix gets Wall, Wagner, Schofield, conditional first(s)
***Wall needs a change (as does Washington). I'm a big believer that Phoenix has more than a knack for revitalizing career derailed by injury. For a team that have been desperate for a high level pg and no ability to compete for the next couple years, I'd love to see Wall come back strong for the Suns in sayyyy 2021.

Washington gets Johnson, Rubio, Baynes
***This allows Beal to have a competitive team in the East. They lose a pick or two, but they can be a team with direction and purpose moving forward while moving an albatross contract.

Thoughts?

ChurchPugh

1.) 17 Oct 2019 16:08:49
Horrible. Washington needs its future firsts to add talent to become competitive in the near future since they will have no cap space in the future.

Bryant, Hachimura, 2020 first, Beal, Wall may be a very intetesting team in the near future.


 

 

16 Oct 2019 17:40:48
Celtics get Adams, Gallinari, Burton
***Solve the 5 quandary, move a huge contract, open up cap space for Brown next summer.

Kemba - Brown - Tatum - Gallinari - Adams

Grizz get Smart, Roberson, Nader
***Grit and Grind type guys who fit the mold of what they've been doing well. They also free up room on the wing for Clarke who looks like a steal as a rookie.

Morant - Smart - Clarke - JJJ - Valanciunas

Thunder get Hayward, Anderson, Crowder, Jackson, Poirier
***Adams and Gallo are gone, but this is a move to give Paul the sense they are giving things a fair shot. They go from weak to strong on the wings.

Paul - SGA - Crowder - Hayward - Noel

ChurchPugh

1.) 17 Oct 2019 03:17:51
So Thunder give up Adams and Gallinari who have value and get back a player in Anderson who's always injured and Jackson, Crowder and Poirier with almost no value. That's an easy no for the Thunder as Adams and Gallinari habe more value! No way they take Haywards 67 million on top without at least 2 first rounders.


2.) 17 Oct 2019 12:23:10
Churchpugh, what kind okc fan are u, that is horrible trade for them.


3.) 17 Oct 2019 19:50:34
Yea his is a definite no for me Adams will bring u a young guy plus a pick and Gallinari easily gets u another first round pick if they wait until trade deadline I see them getting a first and maybe 1second


 

 

15 Oct 2019 23:29:01
Hornets get Schroeder, Nader, Burton
***A backup for Rozier that could also provide a spark. I think Schroeder could also use a change of scenery with so many ball handlers in okc.

Grizz get MKG, Monk, 2020 Denver 1st
***They get another pick and a young asset. If MKG can play, great. If he stinks, cool. $13M expiring.

Thunder get Anderson, Crowder
***I'd like to see OKC see how far they could go in the West. Most of the top teams have reason to underachieve (ex Warriors have Klay hurt, KD gone, Russel to incorporate AND Rockets have to figure out how feed both Harden and Russ and no picks to trade to fill out the bench).

CP3, Graham, FA (Felton?)
SGA, Ferguson, Diallo
Crowder, Anderson, Roberson
Gallo, Bazley, Muscala
Adams, Noel, Patton

(Realistically the backup pg is SGA and graham the third)

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01 Aug 2019 18:14:32
Okc bought out Patterson and could stretch whatever is left to duck the luxury tax. Might be done making moves.

Patterson signing with Clips.

ChurchPugh

1.) 10 Aug 2019 14:24:16
They aren't done making moves they still have to fill 1 more roster spot before the start of the season. which would put them a lil over the luxury tax again. But after signing someone they could wait till Dec 15 to start making more moves to get below tax.


 

 

23 Jul 2019 23:31:55
This is thinking a little too far ahead, but AD has done two things to make him a flight risk next summer:

1. Not commit to more time in LA verbally or contractually.
2. Mention how he'd love to play in Chicago.

Chicago would be elated to land a guy of that caliber, but where is the. So space to land him? They'll have little to none. They'd have to chase expiring deals in trades in order to pull off a max slot. Here are some teams I think would be willing to play ball in trades with expiring contracts significant enough:

1. Okc (Gallinari at $22M, Roberson at $10M, Patterson at $5M)
2. Charlotte (Biyombo at $17M, Williams at $15M, MKG at $13M)
3. Atlanta (Parsons at $25M, Turner and Crabbe at $18M each)
4. Toronto (Lowry at $34M, Gasol at $25M, Ibaka at $23M)

There may be others, but I see these as the most likely (in that order) who could give them the cap space they will crave if they think they can legitimately land Davis next summer.

Sorry that was long winded, but with that in mind what kind of deals could you see to land significant cap space next summer for the Windy City?

ChurchPugh

1.) 24 Jul 2019 16:30:44
Church -- Do you think that AD is concerned that he will be left all alone if James suddenly runs out of gas, and is leaving himself an escape hatch? If James goes south, Davis might find himself in the same situation he was in in New Orleans.


2.) 24 Jul 2019 16:48:46
Actually worse situation because at least he would have Jrue Holiday and Zion Williamson to play with.


3.) 24 Jul 2019 20:14:04
Fredman- and no picks.


4.) 25 Jul 2019 08:30:34
LA screwed themselves
They should have kept Russell and drafted Tatum, Mitchell or Markannen

C:Zubac
PF:Randle
SF:Tatum
SG:Ingram
PG:Russell
sixth: Clarckson.


5.) 26 Jul 2019 09:28:11
Does AD need to make an All-NBA team in order to get a higher max extension?


6.) 26 Jul 2019 15:14:56
Yeah, to get a supermax, you have to be all nba the most recent season, or both of the two before it. He wasn't all nba in '18-'19, so he'd have to be all nba next year to receive it.


7.) 26 Jul 2019 16:21:02
Probably waiting for this season's results to see if he qualifies.


 

 

12 Jul 2019 03:21:05
It happened.

Paul and picks for Russ

So now, do these two teams stand pat or what moves are coming? Rockets need to trim the roster (I think)... but they look good.

Thunder could/should flip CP3, if they can find a suitor. But who wants that contract??

Any predictions on what happens next for these two squads??

ChurchPugh

1.) 12 Jul 2019 16:47:06
Thunder should keep CP3, other teams would want a pick for his contract. The Thunder have time, Paul hasn't. So CP3 would ask for a buyout himself.


2.) 12 Jul 2019 17:11:22
I think there's a really good chance that Houston absolutely falls on their face. Either be a decent regular season team and get destroyed in the playoffs, or just fail in the regular season and get a 7-10 seed in the west.

OKC is in fire sale mode. They have to hope that the Lakers or Heat take Paul for expiring deals. Then hope Roberson comes back healthy and they can offload him at the trade deadline for assets. Move Gallo at some point for longer deals+assets or expiring deals+lesser assets. Same with Adams.


3.) 15 Jul 2019 17:54:38
I think they work fine like Paul and harden did. Maybe not excellent every night but they will be fun to watch. There going to have russ do the same Paul did but drive instead of shoot. It's worth the risk for Houston.


 

 

12 Jun 2019 21:16:08
If Okc were to hit the reset button and deal Russ and PG, what's the best return they could get?

I was thinking Russ to the Bulls with Okc gaining Markkanen and a pick kind of deal, and George to the Hawks for Crabbe, Bazemore, and picks 8 and 10 kind of deal.

Thoughts? Gives Okc a good place to start a rebuild, gives the Bulls a superstar and an identity, and gives the Hawks a guy who could help open their championship window for the foreseeable future.

ChurchPugh

1.) 12 Jun 2019 23:52:02
Mine as well trade Adams too.


2.) 13 Jun 2019 00:18:09
Not Markannen.


3.) 13 Jun 2019 00:19:22
Russ to Lakers for 4th. Pg to utah.


4.) 13 Jun 2019 01:43:00
PG to Lakers for 4th and Ingram. Westbrook to Heat.


 

 

03 Nov 2018 20:46:31
Is there a way that okc adds griffin to their core of Russ, PG, and Adams by sending Schroder to a pg needy team like the suns and picks to the Pistons?

ChurchPugh

1.) 03 Nov 2018 21:08:22
With the casey hiring and the seeming interest in making the playoffs in DET, I'd have to say you couldn't get Griffin without talent and picks.


2.) 03 Nov 2018 21:17:23
Not the way griffin is playing. He’s been great. They’d want some real assets, not just a late first or two with a bad contract.


3.) 04 Nov 2018 14:30:45
I’m not sure Griffin is a good fit next to Westbrook. He likes the ball in his hands, he’s not much of a shooter, and he clogs the lane up. A potential starting line up that has Westbrook, Roberson, Griffin, and Adams is an offensive disaster in today’s NBA.


4.) 04 Nov 2018 17:34:46
Griffin shoots from all over the court and at a decent clip for a big man. Not sure why you say he only shoots from in the paint. He shot over 300 threes last year and currently shooting like 45% from deep. He doesn’t need the ball in his hands. He’s one of the best passing bigs in the league.

What are you basing that evaluation on?


5.) 05 Nov 2018 02:37:06
I suppose he’s a little better shooter than I was thinking, but he’s a career 33 percent shooter. It’s solid if you have other shooters, but he can’t be the 2nd best shooter in your starting lineup. Also, for him to make those passes he needs the ball. Having the ball in your hands doesn’t just mean that you are shooting. His usage rate is currently right between Lebron and Curry’s. Last year he was right inbetween DerozN and Wall. He’s at his best when the iffense runs through him and he can create for himself and others. Taking the ball out of his hands diminishes how effective he can be. He isn’t a spot up shooter. Plus, if you put him in the pick and role with Russ for large chunks of the game everyone, but the guy guarding George can basically collapse on them because Roberson and Adams can’t shoot. So in the starting lineup you’re basically going to use him as a spot up shooter? He’s also a below average defender. Why trade multiple picks/ players to pay a guy 35 Million that doesn’t fit in with your already expensive and thin team?


6.) 05 Nov 2018 18:12:34
Right. Point being, he actually has the ability to spread the offense, not condense it. That 33% is misleading, as it was when he was taking 1 or 2 3s a game. its likely more around 36ish, which is league average and great for a big man.

As to the usage rate, that really isn't a good statistic to look at in a vacuum. The team has no real pg. He scores a lot and passes very well. he's going to have the ball often. That statistic merely shows he is heavily involved. AKA, passing a lot and scoring efficiently.


7.) 05 Nov 2018 19:47:29
He was 31st last year among qualifying pfs in 3 point shooting percentage. He’s not putting great in anyone from 3 point range. He’s not worth the money or assets for the Thunder unless the rest of the roster is heavily overhauled.


8.) 05 Nov 2018 23:11:06
No one said he was elite at 3. You specifically said he has no range. Which you then admitted was incorrect to say. A pf that is averaging 25/ 11/ 5. You don’t think that’s of value?

The premise was they keep the core. So what, he isn’t a major major upgrade over grant?

Just stop it. Griffin is a top 30 player in the league and one could contend so far top 15. That team would be solid. Simply need to add a shooter or two, which there always available ones.


9.) 06 Nov 2018 16:54:14
I just don’t see Griffin as the missing link to make OKC a legitimate top 3 or 4 team in the league or make them a threat to upset the Warriors. If you’re going to give up the last few assets you have and lock in those kind of luxury payments that’s what he needs to be. He doesn’t complement the rest of the roster and he would be hard to maximize. I’m not arguing that adding Blake Griffin would make their team worse. If they could add him without giving players up for the minimum then sure great addition, but to get rid of a couple rotation players and more future picks doesn’t make sense. Using those some of those assets and money to go get guys like Ariza, Bazemore, and/ or Korver would make more sense, be cheaper, and imo make a bigger impact.


 

 

 

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19 Oct 2019 12:40:42
For Orlando, they are built around their two bigs: Vucevic, Gordon. They now have a super interesting piece in Fultz. They have a few good shooters on the wings, but giving them a big who can spread the floor will make it that much easier to help Fultz be successful. I also think that Isaac will never get his due in Orlando. Gordon and Gallinari are both ideally 4s, but I think their different skill sets will allow them to be on the floor at the same time. But I appreciate the feedback.

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15 Oct 2019 16:31:58
I meant turner and Gallo. Jeez.

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11 Oct 2019 13:33:32
At this point unless we can do like Paul for Wall and multiple firsts, I’d rather at a spat and see what we can find closer to December or the deadline.

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08 Oct 2019 10:16:22
Would LOVE to get Culver to OKC!

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05 Oct 2019 20:11:14
Forgot to put the Denver 2020 first From Okc to miami.

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