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18 Sep 2019 02:58:34
Small, but realistic?

MIN GETS: Kris Dunn
CHI GETS: $2.3 mil in savings, Treveon Graham and Tyrone Wallace (with around $1.3M of his contract guaranteed)

Even if they simply dumped Graham and Wallace, they take $2.35 mil off the books and open a roster spot. However the Bulls could use some wing depth, so they could take a flier. I think Dunn is dead money in CHI, and expect him to get no minutes. They paid Satoransky to start, Boylen loves Arcidiacono, and Coby White was the #7 pick and needs whatever minutes that are left.

MIN is shallow at PG if Teague or Napier get injured, and Rosas likes 25 year olds on one year contracts. They could sign some guy on the borderline of the NBA for a minimum contract, or pay a little more and get Dunn.

It comes down to MIN may use Dunn and CHI probably will not.


1.) 18 Sep 2019 12:51:23
You can get someone after the training camp cuts that is probably just as good as Dunn for less than $2.3 mil.



27 Aug 2019 16:02:38
CHI GETS: Gorgui Dieng + MIN 2021 2nd

MIN GETS: Felicio + Kris Dunn (+ Kornett if CHI wanted in December?)

Why for CHI? Felicio ($8.2, $7.5) is unplayable dead weight, and with the signing of Satoransky and drafting Coby White (and Arcidiacono in the wings), Dunn ($5.4) looks like a waste of minutes and dollars. Zach LaVine played especially well with Dieng, particularly in DHO's. Dieng is also a hard worker and would also be a good locker mentor for Wendell Carter Jr and the surprising Gafford. If CHI wanted to include Kornett ($2.2, $2.3) in the deal, I think that would be OK for MIN.

Why for MIN? Rosas seems to be stressing a "1-center-1-ballhandler-3-wings" approach, and that Covington would play more PF, so that might mean less time for Dieng ($16.2, $17.3). He also added Noah Vonleh and Jordan Bell as well, and Towns plays a lot of minutes and is ridiculously healthy. Dunn isn't worth much, but he could be PG insurance, behind Teague (who we just found out, was dinged up all last year), and then MIN only has Shabazz Napier. This saves MIN $10 mil next season - more if they end up stretching Felicio. This summer, Rosas' signings were basically giving opportunities to some uninspiring young players, and Dunn and Kornett might fit that.




10 Sep 2017 03:33:11
It's pretty boring for MIN fans right now. We only have one thing to trade - Cole Aldrich - or more accurately, some 2018 cap space. Aldrich's deal is $7.3 mil this year, and $6.95 mil next season, but only $2 mil is guaranteed. MIN will be over the cap, and likely under the lux next season, and will probably be willing to take on 2018 salary up to $12.3 mil in a two year deal. Most likely this will be at the deadline, but I'm curious which teams are potential trade partners who want 2018 CAP SPACE?

MIN was unwilling to give up the OKC 1st to get CJ Miles, so keep that in mind. They could use a swingman.

Aldrich for Shumpert?

Aldrich for Jared Dudley?

Aldrich for Garrett Temple?

Thoughts? Other ideas?


1.) 10 Sep 2017 14:15:08
Keep in mind that Cole is completely useless, so Minny will have to either attach another asset to him to move him or take back a wing on a multi year deal. Even with a $2M buyout, that's $2M that some team is going to spend.

How about Cole for Lance Thomas from NY? Salaries are the same this year and next, and Knicks clear some cap space next year. Thomas doesn't offer a tonne, but he is a 40% career 3PT shooter, which Minny needs.

2.) 10 Sep 2017 14:59:10
Wolves are like Sixers -- tons of talent and a bright future. Just let things play themselves out, and if things don't work out think about some more changes.



30 Jul 2017 06:18:27
MIN GETS: Jared Dudley

PHX GETS: Cole Aldrich

Why for PHX? They clear cap space for next year. 2018 Free Agency looks like a place for bargains, as the free spending of 2016 and 2017 has limited the buyers. Aldrich's contract is $7.3 mil this year, and a TEAM option for $6.95 mil next year, with only $2 mil guaranteed. This saves PHX $2.7 mil this year, and $8 mil next season. Best of all, Aldrich can still play, and removes some of Len's leverage in his free agency negotiations.

Why for MIN? The addition of Jimmy Butler has made them a more win-now team, but they only have three swingmen on the roster - Butler, Wiggins, and Jamaal Crawford. Dudley not only fills a positional need, but the team also needs his three point shooting. He will be more useful than another center like Aldrich, and the Wolves have no other means to fill that gap other than the vet min. Finally, Dudley is overpaid at $10 mil this year, and next season, but MIN shouldn't mind. They won't be under the cap this year or next, and the two-year window matches when Taj, Crawford, and Jimmy's deals are all up.




21 Dec 2016 19:15:33
PHI GETS: Tyus Jones, John Lucas III (non-guaranteed)

MIN GETS: (two of, PHI's choice) Luwawu, Richaun Holmes, Covington

PHI gets a PG who's probable upside is good back-up PG because of his size. However, last year's #24 pick is cheap, he can run an offense, and he is a clutch shooter who can create for himself. He would be an upgrade at PG over Sergio this season, that would help their great young bigs this year, so they don't waste a season of rookie development. He already knows how to play with his best friend, Okafor. He can also slip quietly in to a back-up role next year behind Simmons. MIN likes Tyus, but don't have the minutes for him.

MIN gets a couple bench bigs with upside on cheap deals. They may be more likely to see the floor than Tyus, and may make Dieng easier to trade this summer, if either starts to show something.


1.) 21 Dec 2016 20:12:33
I don't think the sixers are interested. Those players don't help us at all. I'd give you Holmes since he doesn't play for Tyrus jones because it makes sense for both of us. Both teams giving guys who don't play for guys who should play once traded.

2.) 21 Dec 2016 20:43:50
I kind of like Holmes, but I think MIn would look elsewhere.

I can definitely understand being low on Tyus, because I used to be too. And his stats are not going to impress anyone, but personally if I ran PHI, i would install Tyus this season.

The bar is set very low with Sergio and McConnell. I would hope Tyus could do better than them if he was given consistent minutes in a consistent role. He has certainly shown he can come up big when he has that role, and the pressure is on (Las Vegas, NCAA) . Mainly, I just think he'd be acheap way to invest in the development of the quality bigs, and not waste this season with Sergio and Mcconnell.

3.) 21 Dec 2016 21:12:16

Tyus would be an upgrade for philly. I'm just not sure he stay in the rotation past this season.

They have bayless and Simmons is supposedly going to play pg at the end of January. Not to mention this draft is almost an automatic that the sixers draft a top prospect at guard. I just don't know if jones will even be a factor for us in the long term but for the short term i'd do that deal for Holmes since he isn't playing at all regardless for the sixers. Couldn't hurt us. Helps both teams too.




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28 Jul 2017 00:22:16
I think all these Irving trades are radically over-valueing the eventual return. When a team trades a star, they usually get 75 cents on the dollar, but Kyrie's return could be much lower because:

1. Lately win-now star returns have been even lower than 75 cents. The Warriors dominance has led to much smaller returns for Jimmy Butler, Paul George, Nerlen Noels, and Boogie Cousins.

2. Kyrie demanded a trade. This always lowers value.

3. Kyrie named four teams he wants to get traded to. If you are one of the other 25, you are probably only getting him for two years.

4. Kyrie was not happy on a championship level team. This must make GM's worried about a big offer, because he might become unhappy on yours.

5. Kyrie is a disinterested defender, he doesn't make his teammates better.

6. The PG market is extremely crowded right now.

7. He waited to announce this after teams have used most of their assets up, and made roster decisions.

8. CLE is constrained to make a deal now, since they don't want Kyrie making LeBron and his teammates uncomfortable on the first day of camp. Losing LeBron for nothing next year is more important than a smaller return for Kyrie.

9. CLE is constrained because their Dan Gilbert is far into the repeater tax.

10. CLE has an inexperienced new GM in Koby Altman. Worse, since Kyrie named four teams he wants to be traded to, Cavs teammates and free agents will watch Altman to see if he is a GM who looks out for his players' careers.

CLE GETS: Far less than expected


1.) 28 Jul 2017 01:05:53
Irving is 25, signed for multiple years, is already a allstar, has proved to be one of the most clutch players in the league, is coming off the best year of his career, and the Cavs are willing to take back established talent. The Cavs will end up with a solid return.

2.) 28 Jul 2017 02:09:57
I see your points and I like them. This is why people need to understand that Cleveland will not receive full value for Irving.

3.) 28 Jul 2017 04:50:46
Also think Cleveland won't receive full value for a top 10 pg
Think Bledsoe and pick will be around the value.

4.) 28 Jul 2017 11:16:00
He's going to New Orleans and we aren't giving up Boogie or Davis.

5.) 28 Jul 2017 18:51:08
Good to see shrink back. And good to see he actually is explaining to cavs fans what they have been so keen on pointing out about Melo, PG, and all other all stars that make clear their intentions to not want to be with the team.

These proposals thinking the cavs will get something like bledsoe, jackson, bender and a pick is just hysterical.

Listen, bledsoe straight up for irving is fair. Like it or not, it is.

Possibly bledsoe has even more value. Similar stats, similar contract, exception is bledsoe plays defense.

Just stop it with the nonsense returns here.

6.) 29 Jul 2017 02:00:12
I agree for the most part. I think the timing of the trade request is what will hurt his value the most since teams are less flexible now and less likely to make a major move now that their teams are more or less set. The one thing Cavs have going in their favor is that Irving is only 25 and signed for two more years. This could potentially attract young/ rebuilding teams to go after him and make him the face of their franchise (what he is looking for) . With two years they have a year to sell him on staying then another year to actually sell him and get a little something back if it looks unlikely that he'll resign. For a team like Suns or Nuggets who have plenty of ammunition it may make sense for them to take this gamble on Irving who is one of the best offensive talents in the league (although admittedly doesn't give you much else) .



15 Jan 2016 16:00:33
Rank these four young prospects by TRADE VALUE:

2017 #1 pick (Simmons? )


1.) 15 Jan 2016 17:45:26
Simmons (maybe its hype), Towns, KP/ Wiggins (don't know what to think about Wiggins, hopefully he becomes more P. George than D. Derozan; maybe at the moment I'd take Porzingis as safer pick for superstar)

2.) 15 Jan 2016 23:22:53
Tied Wiggins and porzingas.

3.) 16 Jan 2016 00:08:33
1. Simmons
2. Towns
3. Porzingis
4. Wiggins.



10 Dec 2015 16:58:02
Darren Wolfson ‏@DWolfsonKSTP
By the way, heard the Nets and Lakers are two of the teams that like Shabazz. He has fans. But Milt is not moving him anytime soon. #twolves

He looks so good offensively and on the glass when he gets minutes, but lacks continuity with the team with Wiggins, LaVine, and Martin (37 PTS last night) in front of him.

Can somebody make an offer for the guy that would change the GM's mind and get him traded someplace where his career can grow? I like his effort, and I'm feeling sorry for the guy.


1.) 11 Dec 2015 13:56:20
No one is going to make the offer you think he demands. Fact is you don't play him. You aren't going to get a prime offer because it's not taking away a necessary asset of your team. The problem is, you are so dillusional in your talent evaluation that until you get 2-3 1sts you won't think it's enough. Case in point, you barked up and down about how Martin is worth a 1st. Not based off performance. Not based off production. Based off you saying so. So until the wolves realize that everyone knows other teams values on their own assets and trades are based on that, no one will give the package dillusional fans such as yourself believe are warranted.

2.) 11 Dec 2015 19:25:51
By the ways, I also don't understand the statement that he looks so good on the glass. He is averaging 2 rebounds a game. Yes, he only plays 17 minutes a game, but last year he averaged only 22 minutes and was getting 4 rebounds a game. His performance thus far, while relatively efficient, doesn't warrant the type of package Minnesota's ownership wants. His play as a whole has been worse by far than last year. His steals, blocks, assists, rebounds are all significantly down. His turnovers and fouls are up. While it's true, he's averaging 17 minutes instead of 22, it doesn't explain why his numbers have declined to that extent.




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28 Jan 2020 21:37:16
Trading Covington hurts the development this season of KAT, and basically all their players as they try to learn the new offensive and defensive system.

Maybe they trade RoCo this summer, but I think holding onto him is the long play.




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28 Jan 2020 01:00:07
See above for why MIN shouldn’t trade Covington, even for a decent package.

I’d have probably put Schröeder in the deal here though, and I hope MIN would resist.




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28 Jan 2020 00:58:39
I don’t think this is unfair for the Wolves, but I would hope they’d pass.

While MIN isn’t heading to the playoffs, Covington is a critical piece for them this season. Gersson Rosas needs this season to be about “establishing an offensive and defensive identity, and creating a process to develop youth. ” Unfortunately, he did not inherit the personnel to run this system . except Covington.

I fear that if they trade RoCo, teams will continue to pack the paint defensively, to stop MIN’s system. Defensively, their future is Towns becoming a better defender, by stop chasing after players and just stay in system. If their is any hope for that, pairing him with Covington is the best way. He respects RoCo and “makes him feel is weak side is protected, ” he makes great decisions and is an elite team defender.

I think we tend to lump teams into two categories - those going for a playoff run, and those tankers that are trading vets for youth. This season for MIN, they have a more complex goal, described by Rosas, and one that needs Covington.




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27 Jan 2020 17:21:24
I would prefer to see what the Wolves can do with Wiggins, once they get the right personnel to run their eventual systems.

Offensively, we saw at the beginning of the season how good Wiggins can be in a 5-out, he can easily beat his man, and then there is no opposition for him to get to the rim, to score or dish. However when opponents saw how bad MIN shoots (3rd in 3PA, last in 3P%), they just clogged the middle. With the right personnel next year that can shoot three’s, Wiggins can be better.

Defensively, Wiggins has taken a big step this year. His personal defensive coach is Vanterpool, and we all know how he took Lillard from a horrible defender to an OK one.





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