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13 Apr 2021 09:08:05
OKC: Ingram

NO: Tatum

Boston: SG Alexander+ KAT+ Rubio

Wolves: Horford+K Walker +1rnd pick NO 2021+2023+2025+1rnd pick Clippers 2022+ 1rnd pick Boston 2021

Boston:
C: KAT
PF:G Williams
SF:J Brown
SG:Smart
PG:SG Alexander

NO:
C:Adams
PF:Zion
SF:Tatum
SG:J Hart
PG:L Ball

13 Apr 2021 12:46:13
Too much salary going to the Wolves. Also, SGA's contract i sover.

13 Apr 2021 16:26:16
OKC is not trading SGA. Unless owner is selling team.

14 Apr 2021 02:42:11
If Bennett sold the Thunder SGA would be sold with the team.

12 Apr 2021 16:16:19
Pels fan - Just wondering!

Bos - NOP

Ingram for Brown
(and balance out any value differences with add-ons)

My thought is the Pels desperately need more defensive minded playmakers and Boston is solid on defense and could use more natural scoring and have enough defense to cover for Ingram's lack of defense. Both players would really fit the new teams and they seem to be close to equal value.

12 Apr 2021 18:14:28
I would invols OKC

Boston: horford+ SG Alexander
Pel: J Brown
OK: Ingram+ LA Pick

I really think SGA-Tatum would be an awesome combo.

12 Apr 2021 18:31:41
@gasupo. Is Boston financially prepared to offer SGA a max deal after next year when he is a RFA?

12 Apr 2021 19:05:10
That doesn't seem like enough for Boston. Horford would help them (again) but his contract is horrible and I'm thinking SGA is not at the level of Brown or Ingram. But I'd take it if it was offered!

12 Apr 2021 20:49:22
Why would Cs trade brown? Sga is not on Browns level yet? You never know if he will. Brown is special and has no prior injuries.

11 Apr 2021 11:57:00
Boston: SG Alexander+Horford

OKC: T Harris+Milton+ 1rnd pick Philly 2021 and 2023

Philly: J Brown+ T Thompson

11 Apr 2021 12:43:56
When I saw the first part I thought oh he's got Boston trading Kemba, getting Horford for him makes some sense. A couple of seconds go by, say what?

11 Apr 2021 13:04:12
Thunder say hell no.

11 Apr 2021 13:08:35
Huge no from OKC.

11 Apr 2021 14:55:00
Thunder won’t trade SGA and Boston won’t trade Brown.

11 Apr 2021 18:37:21
I can see okc doing the trade not Boston.

11 Apr 2021 11:42:56
Read this in Pro Sports Daily .

Mavs get Walker, Williams lll, Pritchard

Celtics get the Unicorn

Thoughts?

11 Apr 2021 12:01:39
meh. who is running point in Boston?

11 Apr 2021 12:47:00
Smart can play the point for Boston as he's their best facilitator. I can see Kemba going to the Mavs if they can't land any FAs, but I would think it's more likely to be for something like Richardson + Kleber.

11 Apr 2021 13:09:13
Smart/ Brown/ Tatum/ Porzingis/ Williams

I still think it's too much for Porzingis.

11 Apr 2021 15:13:32
I don't think it's too much for Porzingis and he'd be a great fit in Boston. He is unreliable but I still think Mavs say no.

11 Apr 2021 15:15:28
And one more thing, if this was the framework for a deal, replace Pritchard with Langford or Nesmith. Dallas has Brunson and Boston would need a back up for Smart.

11 Apr 2021 19:38:19
I would guess Smart would.

Theres no way I would get rid of Williams and Pritchard just to unload Walker. The Unicorn is too fragile to trade for.

12 Apr 2021 09:00:44
Smart is the one, of the big 3, that will be traded. His contract is almost up.

12 Apr 2021 12:05:05
Joe, Boston doesn't have a big 3. Boston will try their best to unload Walker this summer, and Ainge needs to not sit around and wait for a deal that most likely won't happen. A 3 team deal will need to happen for Boston to get the most value for Kemba.

I'd like to see CP3 there to teach Tatum and Brown to be leaders.

12 Apr 2021 17:02:50
Call it what you want, biggie. Tatum Brown and Smart are the 3 top players on the team. So, it's a matter of semantics.
I too would love a CP3 or similar player to teach Brown and Tatum how to win.

05 Apr 2021 01:16:48
Off-season Trade - Boston & Indiana

Celtics get: Sabonis, Lamb & pacers 1st
Pacers get: Jaylen Brown

Thoughts?

05 Apr 2021 19:47:41
Boston believes they have their center already and this would leave a big hole with Brown leaving. On the other hand, Sabonis is Indy's best player and probably the last guy they should trade. I mentioned a Brown/ Sabonis swap a couple of years back but things have changed.

05 Apr 2021 19:58:04
I doubt Indy really wants to let Sabonis go, even if it is for Brown. Same goes for Boston on Brown.

06 Apr 2021 00:41:28
Walker
Smart
Tatum
Sabonis
Williams
that's a better fit then tatum and brown playing out position.

06 Apr 2021 08:55:00
Yeah maybe, but if Brown is being traded, it'll be in a package for Beal, or another player like that. Sabonis isn't the guy.

06 Apr 2021 22:46:58
I say brown the overall better player but when u have Tatum and no big man that's when fit is better then equal value.

07 Apr 2021 09:53:09
I take Brown for Sabonis.

04 Apr 2021 03:45:44
Orlando Magic Situation

Mo Bamba is a bust

Hornets get Mo Bamba

Magic get Vernon Carey 2021 second round pick.via Clippers from Hornets & 2024 second round pick.via Boston from Hornets

04 Apr 2021 05:52:54
Take out the picks.

04 Apr 2021 14:32:46
Picks going the wrong way.

04 Apr 2021 19:14:39
The Guy starts his trade idea admitting tBamba is a bust but then STILL overvalued him massively

Yepp.

02 Apr 2021 10:16:59
Magic/Hornets Sign and Trade NBA Off-Season

Magic get Malik Monk Vernon Carey 2022 second round pick.via Raptors from Hornets 2023 second round pick.via Boston from Hornets

Hornets get Terrance Ross Mo Bamba

Hornets sign and trade with Magic

Magic sign Malik Monk 3 years 25.4 million

Hornets have cap space to bring Terrance Ross & Mo Bamba to the team

02 Apr 2021 13:44:24
you can't add a player to the signed and traded player. you can't include Carey with Monk.

01 Apr 2021 23:22:44
Washington trades Westbrook and 2022 1st Rd pick

Boston trades Tatum, TT, Langford and future 2nd

Beal gets his bro
Boston gets a1st and a better team play maker.

02 Apr 2021 09:02:55
If that happens at all it would be Beal going to Boston. If it did ever happen, you are 2 or 3 1st rd picks light.

02 Apr 2021 13:28:35
Westbrook isn’t in his prime anymore. Boston would need a couple more first round picks to trade Tatum.

02 Apr 2021 13:57:12
If I am not mistaken Washington traded away their 2023 first already.

02 Apr 2021 15:06:26
Dude that’s horrible. That’s RingRing level horrible

02 Apr 2021 19:39:35
Joe, that's what Tatum wants. Tatum is the reason why they are not gelling. Don't get me wrong here, Jason is a very talented player but since he became rich he thinks he's at an LBJ level.

Fred, a 2022 not a 2023. Your right on the 2023 pick belonging to Houston. Lottery protected till 2026 at Houstons choice with less protection by 2 picks every year.

DAC. LOL! Goober!

02 Apr 2021 21:07:37
Swap Tatum for Kemba, take out Langford and the picks.

02 Apr 2021 22:46:27
LOL. You think the Cs would trade Tatum for that package and that Westbrook has that type of value but I’m the Goober? Umm ok Bro. All good.

03 Apr 2021 01:25:47
Biggie, Stepien Rule.

03 Apr 2021 10:58:11
Biggie, while it may be true that Tatum wants to play with Beal, the Celtics wouldn't trade Tatum, they would trade for Beal. Tatum just signed his max extension and Beal has one year left.
Second, Washington simply does not have the assets to trade for Tatum. A 32 year old PG and 1 first rd pick might not get you Kemba. However, Boston does have the assets to take a run at Beal, should they choose to do so.
Your package for Tatum would require 3 or 4 first rd picks and young players and maybe Westbrook.

03 Apr 2021 14:47:02
Sorry DAC. It's been a rough 3 weeks for me medically and honestly didn't mean to say goober. Please except my sincere apology.

1 first round is light for Tatum for sure. 2-3 is more like it.

03 Apr 2021 15:05:04
Boston is hard capped so if they can't figure this out by playoff time they're screwed moving forward.

Fred, how can Boston fix this? Ainge and Stevens are totally frustrated and there has to be a change before someone gets axed. I know the one to get fired is usually the coach, but this time it might be Ainge. Thoughts?

03 Apr 2021 21:22:09
No worries Biggie. I also agree the trades a couple of firsts away at least. Now if it was 2015 Westbrook instead of 2021 Westbrook it would have been spot on

03 Apr 2021 23:53:36
I hear ya, he didn't average triple doubles in 2015. Scored more points per game but still a beast. He has a 15% trade kicker which really hurts any team that wants him.

04 Apr 2021 20:03:37
Sorry, it hurts the team trading him.

31 Mar 2021 11:48:55
Magic/Hornets/Wizards/Boston NBA Draft & Off-Season

Boston send 2021 second round pick to Magic

Boston receive Michael Carter Williams

Wizards send Davis Bertans to Magic

Wizards receive Terrance Ross

Magic send Terrance Ross to Wizards Mo Bamba to Hornets Michael Carter Williams to Boston

Magic receive Vernon Carey Jr Davis Bertans 2021 second round pick & 2023 second round pick & 2026 second round pick

Hornets send Vernon Carey Jr 2023 second round pick & 2026 second round pick

Hornets receive Mo Bamba

31 Mar 2021 12:28:34
Imagine giving a 2nd for MCW.

31 Mar 2021 14:45:09
On a side note, just found out that the two future 2nds that Boston sent to Orlando for Fournier were a 2025 and 2027 second rounder. Holy Crap that will not be helpful any time soon.

31 Mar 2021 19:19:53
Wonder how long this rebuild will take for them to make the playoffs and not get bounced in the first round? This decade?

31 Mar 2021 21:33:24
They’re on pace for a top 5 pick. Add a top 5 pick in 2022. Draft good and they’re only a few years out. Draft bad and they’re trusting the process for a decade. It’s all a gamble at that point.

01 Apr 2021 00:42:14
I don't know. These two 2021 lottery picks should be interesting though.

27 Mar 2021 11:25:06
I fear Drummond goes Boston.

He wants money first. NY can offer a lot, Boston can offer him 11m.

At Mavs he could get money next year and he could win - but also in Boston.

But Mavs could say, look, in theory y are a good fit - if y show to be able to defend the perimeter as well and to shoot open 3s - we will give y 72m 4y - much better of than Boston can provide. AND Mavs can say - we will be able in february 2022 to sign another star by trading for Beal. Hence Drummond could make money and win - IF he fits as described - would y say I am a dreamer?

Feb 2022:
Wiz THJ, Brunson, Green, 3x1st
Mavs Beal

27 Mar 2021 13:02:24
Dreamer? Nope. Delusional? Yes

27 Mar 2021 14:14:55
Wrong again. Boston can only offer the Biannual exception of $3.6 mil.

27 Mar 2021 14:22:26
Also THJ is untradable after the deadline.

And Dallas does not have 3 firsts to trade even if they drop the protections on the 2023 pick to NY on Feb 2022 because they cannot trade the 2022 first until draft day (June) 2022.

So dreamer? No. Ignorant? Perhaps.

27 Mar 2021 17:51:41
Fredman, I can't believe you actually try to have an intellectual chat with ringring. Not only you have to give up Porzingis, you have to take on Westbrook to get Beal

Porzingis Richardson Burke
for
Beal Westbrook Hutchinson

Westbrook/ Brunson/ Terry
Beal/ Green/ Hinton
Doncic/ Bey/ Hutchinson
Smith/ Kleber/ Melli
Powell/ Stein/ Marjonovic.

27 Mar 2021 18:46:27
Guys. Bosten has still a 11 Mio Trade Exception to sign free agents.

If Mavs want to trade THJ in Febraur 2022, what do y think how? The have to resign him that summer. And yes Mavs will have 2025, 2027 and 2029 1st pick available in Feb. 2022.

But ey, let`s start to explain intellectual .

27 Mar 2021 20:18:43
Ringring, you can not SIGN unrestricted free agents with a TRADE exception. That is why it is called a TRADE exception. Teams can only use them in TRADES!

You can only SIGN with cap space, MidLevel exception, BiAnnual exception or for a minimum salary contract.

2029 draft picks will not be available to trade in 2022. You only get 7 years worth so 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028. 2029 draft picks become available in at the start of the 2022-2023 (July 2022) season, not Feb 2022.

What kind of deal is Dallas resigning THJ to? Just want to see if deal creates a "no trade" situation for THJ.

thinking about upgrading that previous Ignorant evaluation.

27 Mar 2021 20:20:33
You can't use a TPE to sign a free agent and Boston isn't going into the luxury tax anyway. That's why they traded Theis.

28 Mar 2021 02:04:07
you cannot use a TPE to sign a free agent.

28 Mar 2021 02:45:26
11 Million TRADE exception. Key word TRADE. Can't be used to sign free agents. Freeman is right about the biannual exception of 3.6 Million.

28 Mar 2021 08:40:46
Even better - means TE cannot be used to sign FA - fine - so Boston has no advantage von the money site. If Drummor do not sign in LA - Mavs can more or less offer the same than Boston (2 or 4m is not a big difference) . And Drummor could be a fit in Dallas - and could have a bigger future their to start to win - instead to become an not well know part at the champion.

Next year Mavs could sign THJ at 30m with a Team Option for a second year. He is not a bad player and would be a good trade chip in the winter, having only 1y guaranteed. With THJ and Powell Mavs will have matching money to trade for the third start.

Unfortunatelly y are right, the 2029 is only available for the overnext season.

But with only 3 month left on Beals contract in 2020 Februar, Brunson, Green and 2x1st will be enough to get him traded.

RingRing at Texas.

28 Mar 2021 11:57:55
Man, ringring, you really don't even know your own team. Dallas only has about $900K in exemptions available to sign FAs right now so that means they could only sign Drummond to the vet min deal. Boston and a bunch of other teamscould beat that easily. Sacramento could offer him nearly $5 mil and still be under the salary cap.

But with the Knicks Robinson injuring his foot last night, I bet Knicks make a sizeable offer for hom to join them.

28 Mar 2021 13:14:24
I don't want Drummond coming to Boston. A big clunky center clogging the lane and needing to get his is not what they need.

28 Mar 2021 14:50:09
The Mavs are going to have to blow it up sooner than later

28 Mar 2021 15:48:36
@DAC813. This is what happens when a team is made up of 2 stars and not much else. When one of the stars is injured or can't play, then there is too large of a vacuum for the bench players to fill.

Teams are basically gambling not on a players ability but more on a players health. And can you really expect them to remain healthy for a season if they have to play 40 mins every other day?

28 Mar 2021 18:23:23
So if Dallas gets the protection taken off from ny I believe they can offer there 25 27 29 first. It’s going to be 2022 when u do the trade. So 7 years from 22 is, 23 24 25 26 27 28 29. example if Dallas had all there picks prior to this year trade deadline they could offered thj Brunson green and 4 first 22 24 26 28.

28 Mar 2021 20:41:32
7 years still includes 2022 if its BEFORE the 2022 draft.

1 2022
2.2023
3 2024
4 2025
5 2026
6 2027
7 2028

So 2029 draft picks are not available until the day of the 2022 draft (June) which is days before the start of the 2022-23 season (July) . At that time Dallas will have 2022, 2025, 2027 and 2029. But prior to that draft day, Mavs only have 2025 and 2027 or 2026 and 2028.

26 Mar 2021 03:10:04
Orlando FINALLY pulls the trigger on the rebuild.

Orl: Carter Jr, Porter Jr, 2021 1st and 2023 1st (top 4 prot)

Chi: Vucevic and Aminu


Orl: Hampton, Harris, and future 1st

Den: Gordon and Clark


Orl: 2 2nds and Teague (waived)

Bos: Fournier


When healthy Orl will have the following lineup:

Fultz/Anthony
Hampton/Harris
Porter JR/Ross
Isaac/Okeke
Carter JR/Bamba/Birch

Porter most likely leaves in FA clearing $28M, plus Orl gets a $17M TPE for Fournier, plus the draft picks.

26 Mar 2021 03:48:42
good luck shaqisback with that roster. hope they do well.

26 Mar 2021 10:48:54
They aren't expected to compete right away but it's a young talented roster which could be fun to watch when healthy. Maybe if they can continue to build and keep the core together they will be competitive in a few years.

25 Mar 2021 21:55:39
Do not think Drummond goes Nets or LA. He will look for money and a long term contract.

Unfortunatelly Celtics can offer him 11m for the rest of the season, by having that rest of a trade exception. Mavs only Minium, but all the money for a new contract starting next season.

Think Drummond fits in Boston and in Dallas.

Sign Drummond after buy out DAL/BOS

26 Mar 2021 03:51:27
Drummond fits Knicks. Drummond to slow with for Boston and Mavs to slow with Drummond. Mavs need athletes around Porzingis and Luka. Boston need Aldridge or Horford.

26 Mar 2021 06:30:26
Drummond too slow but you name Aldridge?

26 Mar 2021 10:37:23
Celtics not going to offer that much as they intend to stay under the tax line.

26 Mar 2021 13:29:15
Knicks have the most cap space to sign Drummond.

Everyone else is pretty much can only offer vet min.

26 Mar 2021 13:58:10
Why would anyone offer more than min? Drummond was being paid max, anything he signs for replaces the salary he got in his original salary. He doesn’t make more money.

26 Mar 2021 14:57:02
NBA16 Aldridge can play inside or outside is way quicker than Drummond. LaMarcus will show case his trueself once he gets into his old conditioning habits. Kind of like how Harden was out of shape, bc he didn't want to be in Houston.

26 Mar 2021 16:08:37
@BMiller - player DOES make the money if offered more than minumum. Team that released him can only claim back the vet minumum off the salary cap when he signs, but the player keeps every penny they sign for.
After all the trades are accounted for there are only 3 teams (NYK, OKC, Charlotte) that are under the cap, so they are the only teams that can offer more than the pro-rated vet minimum to any free agent at this time.

26 Mar 2021 18:20:36
Kings are under the cap by almost $5 mil.

Alao, lots of teams still have midlevel or bilevel exceptions which can be more than vey min.

26 Mar 2021 19:30:19
@Fredman - you're right. I think Spotrac hasn't updated their summary page yet, because the detail page shows them at 105M, but the summary has them 5M above the cap.
And I forgot to consider exceptions. do any of the teams that are in contention have those to work with though?

25 Mar 2021 12:55:19
2021 Miami HEAT Moves

3 Team Trade
Heat : Kemba Walker, Tim Hardaway Jr, Robert Williams III, Daniel Theis
Celtics : Kristaps Porzingis, Andre Iguodola, Precious Achiuwa, Jalen Brunson
Mavericks : Goran Dragic, Kelly Olynyk, Duncan Robinson, Romeo Langford, Gabe Vincent

Sign John Collins & Pat Mills

Walker/Nunn/Mills
Herro/Hardaway Jr/Bradley
Butler/Okpala/Strus
Collins/Theis/Ariza
Adebayo/Williams III/

25 Mar 2021 15:22:52
Mavs wouldn’t accept. Look at what they gave up to get Porzingis. They wouldn’t move him if the best piece in return is Duncan Robinison.

25 Mar 2021 07:51:30
Spurs: Kemba Walker, Marcus Smart and 2021 1st round draft pick

Celtics: DeMar DeRozan and DeJounte Murray.

25 Mar 2021 06:06:30
Magic/Raptors/Boston/Heat

Heat get Kyle Lowry Evan Fournier Paul Watson

Boston get Goran Dragic Khem Birch Aaron Gordon Andre Iguodala

Magic get Duncan Robinson Kendrick Nunn Aaron Nesmith Aron Bayne(buyout or release)

Raptors get Kemba Walker Tristan Thompson Maurice Harkless 2021 first round pick(unprotected).via Boston 2021 second round pick.via Boston 2022 second round pick.via 76ers or Nuggets (less favorable)

25 Mar 2021 06:55:51
Walker for Vucevic 2 1st.

25 Mar 2021 09:52:07
Magic say no.

25 Mar 2021 11:04:13
A Lowry-Walker swap seems interesting.

25 Mar 2021 11:49:37
We need Walker no more than we need Lowry. He's the heart and soul of the team and we're only trading him for quality depth and/ or a center and/ or Herro.

24 Mar 2021 23:13:04
2021 Miami HEAT Moves

3 Team Trade
Heat : Kemba Walker, Tim Hardaway Jr, Robert Williams III, Daniel Theis
Celtics : Kristaps Porzingis, Andre Iguodola, Precious Achiuwa, Jalen Brunson
Mavericks : Goran Dragic, Kelly Olynyk, Duncan Robinson, Romeo Langford

Sign John Collins & Devonte' Graham

Walker/Nunn/Graham/Vincent
Herro/Hardaway Jr/Bradley
Butler/Okpala/Strus
Collins/Theis/Ariza
Adebayo/Williams III/

25 Mar 2021 03:15:17
Never seen a trade that favours the Celtics more.

25 Mar 2021 04:13:57
Sign Graham and have him 3rd string? Lol.

24 Mar 2021 22:52:47
According to SI.

Noting that the Celtics seem poised to use “some or all of its $28.5 million trade exception” generated by the departure of veteran forward Gordon Hayward in the offseason, Mannix relates that the team has “swapped offers with Orlando and have shown a willingness to deal All Defensive team guard Marcus Smart” to the likely chagrin of many fans.

25 Mar 2021 10:29:13
I don't buy Smart involved in a Gordon trade unless there's a 3rd team involved. Wouldn't the value of Gordon and Smart be about equal? If it was a straight up trade, it's a lateral move for Boston, and I would think Orlando's wish list would be shooting, a 3, and picks.

25 Mar 2021 13:20:40
Value is probably not equal based upon rosters. I really think that Boston needs to do something about having Tatum and Brown on the wings instead of trying to play at the 4. Getting Gordon (or Barnes) and putting them at the four "balances" the starting lineup better.

I get what Smart brings to the team, but being able to bring in a "starter" with a longer contract for a "bench" player is almost always a smarter move.

25 Mar 2021 13:22:29
Also, I think Orlando wants "assets" over the trade exception created by sending Gordon's salary to Boston.

25 Mar 2021 19:40:11
Gordon's and Smart's contracts are the same length and Smart plays starters minutes, without looking, maybe more minutes than Gordon.

24 Mar 2021 21:55:40
The monster of a trade create a monster of a team at Celtics using their 28m trade exception:

Pacers Williams III, Langford, Walker, 1st
Celtics Turner, Gordon, Holiday, Brogdon
Magic Grand Williams, 1st


Brogdon, Brown, Tatum, Gordon, Turner
Smart, Holiday, McDermott, Theis, Thompson

Crash the league ....

25 Mar 2021 03:17:00
Indiana says no.

30 Mar 2021 04:19:35
Indiana laughs and hangs up. Not anywhere even close to even.

24 Mar 2021 10:18:18
boston:C Wood

Hou:Wiggins+1rnd pick Minny+1rnd pick Boston

GS:Oladipo+Smart

24 Mar 2021 12:37:57
c. wood really smh.

24 Mar 2021 12:42:24
Not a bad trade. I think Houston is trying to keep Wood tho.

24 Mar 2021 14:25:40
Gsw rather have wood.

24 Mar 2021 17:51:40
I don't think they would trade Wood for AD, considering nobody wants to play for Rockets owner. Wood was the only FA, who chose to sign their. Original poster trolling for mentioning Wood in an idea.

24 Mar 2021 04:00:37
Ik a lot of people don't like C's trading smart

Celtics - Ball Nunn Olynk and Iggy

- Saves a ton of money even with extending Ball. Balls gives them a pass first PG while keeping the elite defense that Smart brings

Pels - Smart and Achuiwa

- Pels upgrade at SG and backup big. Hayes hasn't been as good as expected and Achuiwa can also give more mins at PF that they lack behind Zion

Heat - Kemba and Hayes

- Heat much needed shot creator in starting lineup and get some height and rim protection that can use

Ball/Pritchard
Nunn/Langford/Neismith
Brown/Iggy
Tatum/Theis
Williams/Olynk/Thompson

Bledsoe/Lewis
Smart/Reddick/NAW
Ingram/Hart
Zion/Melli
Adams/Achuiwa

Walker/Dragic
Butler/Bradley
Robinson/Herro
Harkless/Ariza
Bam/Hayes

24 Mar 2021 06:34:58
Good job!

24 Mar 2021 14:14:21
No from Pels.

 
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